Gerry and Kate Mcann promoting Book on Late Late next week

Degsy

lugha wrote: »

True. As it is now established beyond all doubt that they are vile murderers. :rolleyes:

Well there's equally no evidence that they're responsible parents.

AskMyChocolate

NomdePlume wrote: »

So is this where the 'section of society with suspicions' about the McCanns hangs out?
Personally I felt a bit ashamed when Tubridy felt compelled to ask them for a response to your armchair investigations. What a lot of ghoulish, idle speculation. Never been on the scene yourselves and you've got it all worked out. Not a criminal psychology qualification between ye and you've got a file on Gerry's mannerisms.
Leave the investigating to the professionals and find some Poirot DVDs to inspire this sort of amateur detective debate.

You might want to read the British and Portuguese police reports there chief, and maybe polish your argument.

deco nate

Happyman42 wrote: »

Nonsense, the child disappeared because somebody unknown 'took her away'.

I have had drinks in the garden in exactly the same circumstances as the McCanns where in- in terms of distance, as my parents probably did with me.

People need to get off Holier than Thou...that poor horse is tired!

do you leave your front door unlocked too?how big is your garden?100yrds...
how much noise is there???
yea its fine doin it at home,(with the front door locked)for the most part it should be safe.
but on holiday??

Wolflikeme

dark crystal wrote: »

Just a question on the negligence front....the McCanns and Warners both stated there were 'listeners' on the staff, whose job it was to go around the aprtments to listen for crying children.

Doesn't this illustrate the fact that other parents must have been leaving their children unattended in apartments?

Also, does anyone know how frequently did these listeners visit each unattended apartment? Was it more or less than every half hour?

I'd be interested if anyone knows this too. Never heard the listeners being brought up 'til recently.

Regardless, I wouldn't be comfortable leaving my kids, listeners or no listeners. Not at that age.

Pretty_Pistol

Kate looked shattered. Gerry not so much. I get the coldness/matter-of-fact way about him people are talking about. But he is a doctor and some doctors tend to have that type of personality. Or at least the ones I know.

It's difficult to have full sympathy for them when they left their very young children alone every night they were there. Feel very sad for the little girl wherever she is.
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mrsbyrne

maebee wrote: »

Please read the official Files:

http://www.mccannfiles.com/

these are not the "official" files. what on earth would make you think that? this is an anti-mccann blog, beloved of the hate-filled bitter nutters who cant and wont accept that they were wrong, that the mccanns had nothing to do with the disappeance of madeleine.
but then you knew that already, didnt you, being familiar with said blog.

bad2dabone

Denners.ie wrote: »

I haven't read the whole thread but are people actually trying to defend the McCanns for leaving a 3 year old and two 1 year olds unattended?
If true, it is defending the indefensible.

yep, people are. madness.

thebullkf

dark crystal wrote: »

Just a question on the negligence front....the McCanns and Warners both stated there were 'listeners' on the staff, whose job it was to go around the aprtments to listen for crying children.

Doesn't this illustrate the fact that other parents must have been leaving their children unattended in apartments?

does it matter what other parents did?...duty of care owed by the mccanns was to their children, they failed in that duty.

Also, does anyone know how frequently did these listeners visit each unattended apartment? Was it more or less than every half hour?

AFAIK- Kate said previously that the listening service was not made available to rthem cos they didn't book on time, tonight she said different.

Folks its easy to deter and stop predators,and to enjoy a safe holiday.

The salient points are:

1)don't be a lazy, irresponsible parent

2)don't leave kids alone at night time. ever

3)do avail of a babysitting service(afaik the babysitters had qualifiactions for working with kids)

4) All of the above.

simple really.

DerekWaters

Happyman42 wrote: »

Nonsense, the child disappeared because somebody unknown 'took her away'.

I have had drinks in the garden in exactly the same circumstances as the McCanns where in- in terms of distance, as my parents probably did with me.

People need to get off Holier than Thou...that poor horse is tired!

yes leaving one year old twins alone with their 3 year old sister is common practice and nothing to be concerned about. No evidence to support the 'took her away' theory

major bill

Happyman42 wrote: »

Nonsense, the child disappeared because somebody unknown 'took her away'.

I have had drinks in the garden in exactly the same circumstances as the McCanns where in- in terms of distance, as my parents probably did with me.

People need to get off Holier than Thou...that poor horse is tired!

nonsense...your garden is differant to a foreign holiday apartment and if its the same distance as the mccanns were then it must be some sized garden...seriously stop trying to think every parent does what the mccanns done..its not acceptable and is extremely wrong what they did.

Degsy

I have one thing to say to all those people who think they're a normal couple


"Read the book..it's all inside"

Wolflikeme

mrsbyrne wrote: »

these are not the "official" files. what on earth would make you think that? this is an anti-mccann blog, beloved of the hate-filled bitter nutters who cant and wont accept that they were wrong, that the mccanns had nothing to do with the disappeance of madeleine. but then you knew that already, didnt you, being familiar with said blog.

Out with it. What do you know that the police and everyone else doesn't know?

hondasam

Happyman42 wrote: »

Nonsense, the child disappeared because somebody unknown 'took her away'.

I have had drinks in the garden in exactly the same circumstances as the McCanns where in- in terms of distance, as my parents probably did with me.

People need to get off Holier than Thou...that poor horse is tired!

would she have disappeared if the parents were in the apartment where they should have been ?

They neglected their kids.

thebullkf

mrsbyrne wrote: »

these are not the "official" files. what on earth would make you think that? this is an anti-mccann blog, beloved of the hate-filled bitter nutters who cant and wont accept that they were wrong, that the mccanns had nothing to do with the disappeance of madeleine.
but then you knew that already, didnt you, being familiar with said blog.

how do you know they didn't?

Do you think OJ simpson is innocent or guilty, and why?

AskMyChocolate

lugha wrote: »

I dispair at the thought that I might one day be up in front of the old beak and have as a jury of my, er “peers” some of the folk contributing here! The absolute “truths” that some can derive from virtually nothing.

The maxim of innocent till proven guilty is widely accepted but when it comes to the suspicion that a parent might have killed their child surely anyone with a modicum of decency would demand serious, compelling evidence before the line up against them.

I would hope that anyone with a modicum of decency would demand serious, compelling evidence before lining up against anyone. You might advise the McCanns of this when they decide to use the media to offer an unequivocal apology to Robert Murat.

dozydora

You know, all of you people who condemn these people make me puke. I will bet 95% of you don't have kids. It is very easy to sit there and pontificate. From someone who lost a child I know that if I thought there was any way whatsoever I could bring my child back I would do anything. And yes I mean anything, regardless of how crazy or humiliating it might be for me. There are no rules for how you are supposed to behave when you lose a child. I said and did crazy things and so did my two children when my son died in a tragic accident. I can even remember going in to buy a lipstick and this was while I waited for my sons body to be repatriated. How crazy is that? Everybody thinks they know how you feel. Well let me tell you, the only people who know are the people who have been there. I pray that none of you ever have to experience it to prove me right. I regard myself as lucky compared to the McCanns. And let me tell you something else, these people are only still on this earth because they have two other children to take care of and also to be there if their child is ever found. They don't have the option of suicide. Unfortunately having said all of this I believe that Maddie is most likely dead but like the McCanns I too would never give up if I thought there was the minutest chance that she was still alive.
So to all of you 'holier than thou'hypocrates I say, you should keep a copy of what you have written and in years to come when you have your own children you should read it. I wonder what your opinion will be then? And to those of you who have children I say let him without sin cast the first stone.

deco nate

dark crystal wrote: »

Just a question on the negligence front....the McCanns and Warners both stated there were 'listeners' on the staff, whose job it was to go around the aprtments to listen for crying children.

Doesn't this illustrate the fact that other parents must have been leaving their children unattended in apartments?

Also, does anyone know how frequently did these listeners visit each unattended apartment? Was it more or less than every half hour?

they said there were listeners at other resorts,but not at the one they
were stayin at.that is why they done it between themselfs.instead of gettin a babysitter.

dark crystal

thebullkf wrote: »

does it matter what other parents did?...duty of care owed by the mccanns was to their children, they failed in that duty.


.

I'm not saying they didn't. Was just bringing up the fact that if a listening service is offered at such resorts, surely it would point to the fact that the McCanns weren't alone in leaving their children unattended during the evenings and they may well have felt the half hourly checks would be sufficient.

Happyman42

Nobody is defending them leaving the kids alone ...what I am saying is that hindsight is a great and fairly useless thing. We all assess if given situations are safe as the McCanns doubtless did too. They got it wrong...why? Because evil was watching and evil won.
Now, do you want me to damm these pitiful people to a pointless hell (as the one they are obviously in seems infinitely worse) for a moment of irresponsibility???? Have some bog standard humanity, there but for the grace of God go us all!

danmoz

Dan I Am wrote: »

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'The refusal to co-operate' - Anyone with the slighted understanding of the law knows that you should never co-operate with the police when you are being treated as a suspect. This is especially true in high profile cases. History is full of miscarriages of justice in such cases, where non-specialist police who were out of their depth built a case and gained a conviction (and promotion) on nothing more than a 'hunch' and 'evidence' extracted in suspect interviews. Search Youtube for 'Don't talk to Police' for a very good lecture on why you shouldn't. It is specifically about American law, but many of the points are universal.

And what is your experience of the law? Or are you speaking from the 'experience' of reading things on the internet and watching Youtube videos?

If you're arrested on suspicion of a crime, and you're innocent, if you choose to remain silent, not even giving your name. Then the police can use this as grounds to refuse bail. The court can then remand you. Why would an innocent person risk the possibility they'll go to prison rather than co-operate? Remaining silent just doesn't absolve you of any crimes you're accused of, otherwise criminals would never get convicted.

If you had any 'experience' of the law, then you'd know the rights read to you are thus;

"You do not have to say anything. But it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence. "

See that rather important highlighted part? That means if you keep your mouth shut and it goes to court, should you attempt to give a defense, they can infer that you fabricated it over time and you're lying.

Our rights are not the same as the American equivalent;

""You have the right to remain silent. If you give up the right to remain silent, anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to an attorney. If you desire an attorney and cannot afford one, an attorney will be obtained for you before police questioning."

So, by all means, feel free playing armchair lawyer if you ever get arrested.

El Weirdo

dozydora wrote: »

Iwill bet 95% of you don't have kids.

I do. But that has nothing to do with it.

BTW, I am sorry for your loss.

Karona

If it was a single mother who was poor or on welfare she would have been done for neglect. Its ridiculous what they done, how could they leave their kids in a strange apartment on their own, what if one of them got sick and went looking for their mammy or daddy. Stupid is what they were for even thinking that they would be ok.



In my opinion i think the parents had something got to do with it.

Yakult

Jeez, the one night they leave the kids on their for 2 hours and the oldest is "kidnapped"...
Coincidence? Im not so sure. But Im not sure the parents did it either. Who knows but only them.

Im not 100% on the details but If the child was kidnapped he/she was playing a dangerous game by doing so.

How did the kidnapper know what room they were in?

How did he/she know if they were alone or not?

How did he/she get into said apartment? Was their evidence of forced entry?

How did he/she avoid every cctv in the area?

*If theirs answers for all of these I'd be interested in reading them.

thebullkf

dozydora wrote: »

You know, all of you people who condemn these people make me puke. I will bet 95% of you don't have kids. It is very easy to sit there and pontificate. From someone who lost a child I know that if I thought there was any way whatsoever I could bring my child back I would do anything. And yes I mean anything, regardless of how crazy or humiliating it might be for me. There are no rules for how you are supposed to behave when you lose a child. I said and did crazy things and so did my two children when my son died in a tragic accident. I can even remember going in to buy a lipstick and this was while I waited for my sons body to be repatriated. How crazy is that? Everybody thinks they know how you feel. Well let me tell you, the only people who know are the people who have been there. I pray that none of you ever have to experience it to prove me right. I regard myself as lucky compared to the McCanns. And let me tell you something else, these people are only still on this earth because they have two other children to take care of and also to be there if their child is ever found. They don't have the option of suicide. Unfortunately having said all of this I believe that Maddie is most likely dead but like the McCanns I too would never give up if I thought there was the minutest chance that she was still alive.
So to all of you 'holier than thou'hypocrates I say, you should keep a copy of what you have written and in years to come when you have your own children you should read it. I wonder what your opinion will be then? And to those of you who have children I say let him without sin cast the first stone.

I say , firstly: use paragraph's.

its easier to read.

Secondly: i have kids,and have friends whos kids died, including when i was a kid, my best friend died tragically, i witnessed more than one child dying, actually witnessed it. so i believe you when you express yoursef this way, what i don't believe , is the mcCanns are totally blameless.


If half of what they say (the police) is true, they should be jail for neglect, alas, portugese law differs from english,irish an US law.

I sincerely offer my respects to your son,and you.

bad2dabone

Happyman42 wrote: »

Nobody is defending them leaving the kids alone ...

I read your posts wrong then. My bad.

Stella89

dark crystal wrote: »

Just a question on the negligence front....the McCanns and Warners both stated there were 'listeners' on the staff, whose job it was to go around the aprtments to listen for crying children.

Doesn't this illustrate the fact that other parents must have been leaving their children unattended in apartments?

Also, does anyone know how frequently did these listeners visit each unattended apartment? Was it more or less than every half hour?

Why are you supporting the McCanns for leaving a three year old and two one year olds alone in a foreign country, in an appartment that was "unlocked" according to the McCanns . Would parents leave their children in an appartment that was not locked ? I can't understand that one ?

thebullkf

dark crystal wrote: »

I'm not saying they didn't. Was just bringing up the fact that if a listening service is offered at such resorts, surely it would point to the fact that the McCanns weren't alone in leaving their children unattended during the evenings and they may well have felt the half hourly checks would be sufficient.

i know what your saying,and agree, i'm just flabberghasted that they would leave such young children alone.:(:(

if i was at that table, i couldn't enjoy meself, i'd babysit for them.:o

in fact when we go away with other couples,its what we do. we rotate nights out for parents, one couple stays in, all kids sleepover in the one apartment/villa.

and these kids range in ages from 3-10 year olds (on last holiday)

CK2010

dozydora wrote: »

And to those of you who have children I say let him without sin cast the first stone.

im certainly not without sin but i definitely havent left my three year old alone in an apartment in a strange place, and because of that i can also say that she has never been abducted.

yes, tragedies happen, they cant always be prevented, but the McCanns will never know if they could have prevented this one because they weren't there.

im sorry for your loss.

dark crystal

deco nate wrote: »

they said there were listeners at other resorts,but not at the one they
were stayin at.that is why they done it between themselfs.instead of gettin a babysitter.

Yep, you're right.

Still beggars the question, though, if such a service exists in these resorts, there must surely be a demand for them?

lugha

hondasam wrote: »

would she have disappeared if the parents were in the apartment where they should have been ?

They neglected their kids.

You can certainly argue that. But if a predator decides to stalk a family and deliberately targets one of their children (thankfully a monumentally rare occurrence) then even the most responsible of parents can do very little to stop it. It can and has happened. This of course terrifies any parent and IMO, they "deal with it" by convincing themselves that this tragedy could not have happened had the McCanns being more responsible.
A run of the mill cat burglar can easily get into many houses where the children are asleep upstairs and the parents oblivious downstairs. It rarely happens because it rarely happens. Not because parents can fully protect their children from such risks.