Pierce Purcell

LuckyGent88

Myksyk wrote: »

Woodstock just beat Limerick GC in Doonbeg in North Munster Final. Into Munster semis now.

i wouldnt say beat, i heard hammered :pac: really have to watch out for them the rest of the year. serious bunch of bandits and a lot of them have won the competition before.

Mr. Larson

Wexford and Wicklow into the final of the Wicklow qualifier...

Semi-Finals (Saturday 21st May)
8:30 am - 1st – Wexford GC ? v ? 4th – St Helens Bay GC
9:10 am - 2nd – Wicklow GC 3 v 2 3rd Druids Heath GC

Final:
2:30 pm Wexford GC -v- Wicklow GC

Wexford have been in ages - Wicklow beat Druids Heath 3:2 with one match going to the 19th (not sure what the other result was but Wx thru).

Two best qualifiers head to head, Wexford were best qualifier and have been in for ages to dry off (many day) but Wicklow obviously have home advantage so should be a ding dong battle.

Mr. Larson

Wicklow go through!

irishtoffee

Come on Wexford.

minstrel_boy

Making my debut in this next sat, just got a call about it tonight, any link to the rules?
We are in Connacht, is it provincial in early rounds

Hacker111

Wicklow v. Borris next.... date and venue to be confirmed... any Borris members on here?

ozymandias10

just heard from a guy that he normally bets with his local paddy power on the pierce purcell. I thought this was strange . How would Paddy power figure out the odds. I know the munster finals are Woodstock against Kanturk and Frankfield against Ballykisteen. Surely they are all similar in standard to get this far and that it will all be on the day if things click. How could you get odds from that. By the way he is putting money on woodstock to win out as he said he is aware of the type of golfer they have playing and finished it with a nod nod wink wink. anyone any thoughts.

marty whelan

ozymandias10 wrote: »

just heard from a guy that he normally bets with his local paddy power on the pierce purcell. I thought this was strange . How would Paddy power figure out the odds. I know the munster finals are Woodstock against Kanturk and Frankfield against Ballykisteen. Surely they are all similar in standard to get this far and that it will all be on the day if things click. How could you get odds from that. By the way he is putting money on woodstock to win out as he said he is aware of the type of golfer they have playing and finished it with a nod nod wink wink. anyone any thoughts.

My thoughts would be, if they're allowing him to bet on it then his record probably isn't too good.

Myksyk

ozymandias10 wrote: »

just heard from a guy that he normally bets with his local paddy power on the pierce purcell. I thought this was strange . How would Paddy power figure out the odds. I know the munster finals are Woodstock against Kanturk and Frankfield against Ballykisteen. Surely they are all similar in standard to get this far and that it will all be on the day if things click. How could you get odds from that. By the way he is putting money on woodstock to win out as he said he is aware of the type of golfer they have playing and finished it with a nod nod wink wink. anyone any thoughts.

I'm a Woodstock member so have to reply here .

I think nearly everyone thinks that all PP teams probably have their share of 'questionably handicapped' golfers ... whether that is true or not is anybody's guess. Woodstock have won the Pierce Purcell once in their history despite access to more or less the same panel for years.

I will say this in their defence, and perhaps this is true of other clubs ... The Pierce Purcell panel at our club are practising at a simply incredible level. Guys are out on the course 5-6 times a week, some 8-10 times a week. I met two two of the guys on the panel at the weekend - On Friday they had played three rounds starting at 7am in Limerick GC where the Munster semis are on, then played Ennis and onto our own club for another 18 in Woodstock in the evening. The panel have already played Limk GC on at least five occasions since winning through. So while I can't prove that there aren't any potential bandits on the team (or at least more than any other team) I can tell you that they are also working their butts off to succeed in this tournament.

ozymandias10

Thats a serious amount of practice...maybe thats what the guy meant. Just for the record I wasn't implying anything wrong with woodstock as a team . It was the betting angle I was amazed at. The Purcell is recognised as the hardest shield to win. Only one club has won it more than twice. You get a disparity of handicaps ..young lads on the way down ...olde lads who were single handicappers on the way out. The golf at the purcell can be of a high standard for foursomes.

Myksyk

Bumping to update. Forgot there was a dedicated Purcell thread so had put it on inter-club thread. Woodstock won the Munster final yesterday in Limerick GC. Great win. Serious golf apparently.

Myksyk

Woodstock won the Pierce Purcell today against Corrstown. 3.5-1.5.

cackhanded

Myksyk wrote: »

Woodstock won the Pierce Purcell today against Corrstown. 3.5-1.5.

Congrats - bet the celebrations match the hurlers in '95!

staker

Myksyk wrote: »

Woodstock won the Pierce Purcell today against Corrstown. 3.5-1.5.

Congrats Myksyk. How many members in Woodstock do you know?

Myksyk

Thanks guys. I'm a member of Woodstock so know all the guys. Party tonight which might leave some very sore heads.

bigbigbandito

as a member of woodstock and a member of the winning team i will put your minds at ease. the biggest thing we had on our side was luck. we should have been beaten by shannon limerick and athenry. we were dormy 2 , 3, and 2 respectively all in the deciding match and ended up winning the three matches. thats not to say that we didnt practice round the clock. we haunted the courses and it paid off. big tip. spanish point to win it next year. you heard it here first.:D:D

ozymandias10

bigbigbandito wrote: »

as a member of woodstock and a member of the winning team i will put your minds at ease. the biggest thing we had on our side was luck. we should have been beaten by shannon limerick and athenry. we were dormy 2 , 3, and 2 respectively all in the deciding match and ended up winning the three matches. thats not to say that we didnt practice round the clock. we haunted the courses and it paid off. big tip. spanish point to win it next year. you heard it here first.:D:D

Think you forgot Kanturk there.,..they were 3 up with 3 to play in the deciding match and lost 4 holes in a row

Jul3s

ozymandias10 wrote: »

Think you forgot Kanturk there.,..they were 3 up with 3 to play in the deciding match and lost 4 holes in a row

Yes and Kanturk have an infamous reputation with regard to handicaps and selective memories when it comes to the rules, two most important attributes when you want to compete for national titles.

veetwin

Jul3s wrote: »

Yes and Kanturk have an infamous reputation with regard to handicaps and selective memories when it comes to the rules, two most important attributes when you want to compete for national titles.

Thats a fairly bold statement there Jul3s..I actually played Kanturk during the year and happened to be talking to a member about how well they do in interclub comps. He had a theory that Kanturk have small undulating greens so the members are particularly good at chipping and putting...that was his theory anyway.

Also are you saying that handicap minding is exclusive to Kanturk interclub team members? As regards selective memories for rules well that's another matter..I think you would want to be backing that up

heinze

well done to woodstock on their final win, i was playing with athenry in the semi, won our match but we lost the semi overall on the 19th in the 4th match.

Very sporting match and no mean feat beating Corrstown , seeing as it was their 2nd final in as many years.

Great Course in Castlerock and thoroughly enjoyed the week, theres always next year!!

HugoBr

+1 Jul3s

mikeunt

HugoBr wrote: »

+1 Jul3s

how do you mean +1 jules
give us some details on the offences which your bff jules refers to

irishgolfer

Hope you put a bet on Paddypower on Spanish Point. You probably would have got 100/1 but maybe arrested on inside trading!

Almaviva

Does anyone know does they GUI do any sort of vetting or audits of clubs whose teams win or reach the semis of the handicap interclub comps ?
Coming with the achievement must be the making of them to be questionable (yes, just questionable, not summarily condemmable) handicap managers for me.

Russman

Almaviva wrote: »

Does anyone know does they GUI do any sort of vetting or audits of clubs whose teams win or reach the semis of the handicap interclub comps ?
Coming with the achievement must be the making of them to be questionable (yes, just questionable, not summarily condemmable) handicap managers for me.

I don't think the GUI want to pull at that particular thread.

As a general point though, and I know nothing at all about the clubs in this year's finals so its not aimed at them particularly, its virtually impossible to win a mid handicap event like the Pierce Purcell unless your team is very well..........."prepared", shall we say, from a handicap point of view. Some of the good teams are a couple of years in the making. Sending out a team of genuine 14-18 handicappers in the latter stages of the PP is lambs to the slaughter.

Whether that's a reflection of good ole Irish cute hoorism or not, I don't know, but its definitely real.

Almaviva

I would agree. But think that the GUI should play such a role as a 'check and balance' to improve both the general management of handicaps in clubs, and to tend clubs towards fielding less, 'prepared' as you well put it, players. I find it hard not to see winning PP teams and the like as winners of the Most Likely Bandicap Handicap Cup. And as such they deserve to come under some scrutiny.

opinionated3

Slightly ot but I was just wondering how do your clubs go about selecting their team for the pp? Went to trials last year at my own club only to find out I was wasting my time as the manager was going to pick more or less the same team as the previous year ie going on reputation rather than form. Not to mention the few bandits thrown in for good measure! I feel that I am genuine 12 handicap player but I feel up against it straightaway in the trials cos I'm up against lads who could easily play off single figures but are (bizarrely! ) playing off 12 or even 15 in some cases. The whole thing is a bit demoralising really ...

slingerz

with regards to the pierce purcell what are the rules regarding eligibility? must you be over a certain age and within a certain handicap bracket?

opinionated3

slingerz wrote: »

with regards to the pierce purcell what are the rules regarding eligibility? must you be over a certain age and within a certain handicap bracket?

Not sure about the age aspect but I think the handicap limit starts at12 and the 2 combined must be a minimum 27...

slingerz

opinionated3 wrote: »

Not sure about the age aspect but I think the handicap limit starts at12 and the 2 combined must be a minimum 27...

cool i'm currently off 18 in my home club and would love to be considered for these team competitions. any idea how they select players for it? what is the general procedure in most clubs?

opinionated3

slingerz wrote: »

cool i'm currently off 18 in my home club and would love to be considered for these team competitions. any idea how they select players for it? what is the general procedure in most clubs?

That's basically what I'm asking in my post above. In my club it all seems to go on reputation which is disappointing to say the least. As far as i know most team managers like to pair 12 and 15 handicappers together. I'm getting the impression though that it's one big bandit competition! !

slingerz

opinionated3 wrote: »

That's basically what I'm asking in my post above. In my club it all seems to go on reputation which is disappointing to say the least. As far as i know most team managers like to pair 12 and 15 handicappers together. I'm getting the impression though that it's one big bandit competition! !

TBF I reckon anyone who doesnt win it will always point the accusation of banditry at their opponents.

i'd still like to partake in one of these team events tho!

Golfgraffix

slingerz wrote: »

cool i'm currently off 18 in my home club and would love to be considered for these team competitions. any idea how they select players for it? what is the general procedure in most clubs?

Depending on how big your number of eligiable players is I would have thought that getting on the a Pierce Purcell team with a handicap of 18 would be tough, the best you could hope for would be a partner off 12 then you would be a combined 30 and in theory you would be giving 3 shots to your apponants (of course everyone plays off scratch)

I had the same issue when playing a number of years ago in Hollystown, was officialy off 18 but a run of results had me down to 14 and the team manager would not even consider me for the panel, said that last years handicap was a truer reflection of my golf ???

Went on to win the club foursomes match play for that year and defended it succesfully the next year, not been picked was a huge motivator.

Good luck getting on the team, interclub is such good fun.

J

slingerz

Golfgraffix wrote: »

Depending on how big your number of eligiable players is I would have thought that getting on the a Pierce Purcell team with a handicap of 18 would be tough, the best you could hope for would be a partner off 12 then you would be a combined 30 and in theory you would be giving 3 shots to your apponants (of course everyone plays off scratch)

I had the same issue when playing a number of years ago in Hollystown, was officialy off 18 but a run of results had me down to 14 and the team manager would not even consider me for the panel, said that last years handicap was a truer reflection of my golf ???

Went on to win the club foursomes match play for that year and defended it succesfully the next year, not been picked was a huge motivator.

Good luck getting on the team, interclub is such good fun.

J

Cheers J. I only became a member last year and have won a number of competitions to bring my handicap down to 18 from 21. I have since won a number of non-qualifiying competitions off 18 so I reckon if they were qualifiying i should be off maybe 15/16.

SEORG

Members of the teams committee go out and play rounds in February & March with potential team members and they are invited on to the panel, also a sheet is put up on the notice board inviting any other interested members to sign up to the panel.
Trials take place in April and early May, team from what I have seen in the past is picked on form.

opinionated3

Please don't get me wrong here. .. I'm not being bitter or anything. Just a bit of transparency in how the team is picked would be nice. ..

Russman

opinionated3 wrote: »

I'm getting the impression though that it's one big bandit competition! !

Unfortunately that's exactly what the PP is once you get to the latter stages. You need at least 3 or 4 guys who can pretty comfortably play to their handicaps or better, rather than this notional idea of needing to play well to play to your handicap once every 7 games or whatever it is.

charlieIRL

Staying off topic for a second - is there any competitions you can play in when new to a club and wouldn't have had 4 cards from the previous year?

mafc

charlieIRL wrote: »

Staying off topic for a second - is there any completions you can play in when new to a club and wouldn't have had 4 cards from the previous year?

Afraid not afaik.

Russman

charlieIRL wrote: »

Staying off topic for a second - is there any competitions you can play in when new to a club and wouldn't have had 4 cards from the previous year?

Doubt it, pretty sure none of the GUI events. Possibly one of the non-GUI run events, no idea though.