1926 Imperial Conference query

Lauder

Many of you will be aware of this conference and WT Cosgrave's participation.

I am trying to find out what insignia Cosgrave is wearing on his left breast and what is the band (ribbon) across his chest?



Cheers.

CDfm

In 1925 he was made Knight of the Grand Cross of the Order of Pius IX, so it is probably that -it was usually awarded to Catholic heads of state..

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04667a.htm

Look at the ridiculous knee breeches and dainty shoes some of the other lads are wearing.

Order of Pius IX

This had for its founder (17 June, 1847) the pope whose name it bears. Its object is to fittingly reward noble and conspicuous deeds which merit well of Church and society, and to stimulate others to follow the illustrious example set them. At first it comprised only two classes, knights of the first class, who, upon receiving the decoration, were made nobles with hereditary succession, and knights of the second class, whose title of nobility was personal. Shortly after (17 June, 1849, "Cum hominum mentes") the order was divided into four classes, viz.:

Knights of the Great Ribbon;
Commanders with the Badge;
Commanders, and
Knights.

Knights of the Great Ribbon wear a wide ribbon extending from the left shoulder saltier-wise to the right side where from a rosette attached to the ribbon the star of the order is suspended. They also wear on the breast the large badge set with diamonds. Commanders wear the decoration at the neck. Commanders with the Badge, besides the star at the neck, wear a badge of smaller design than the large plaque on the breast, and simple knights wear the star on the left breast. The decoration is an eight-pointed blue enamelled star. The spaces between the rays are filled in with undulating golden flames. On the centre is a white enamelled medallion on which is engraved the words PIUS IX and around it, in a golden circle, are stamped in characters of blue, the motto, VIRTUTI ET MERITO. The reverse is identical with the obverse side except that the inscription ANNO 1847 is used instead of PIUS IX. There are two forms of badges. One is a large silver medal similar to the star, and the other is of the same design but larger and adorned with brilliant gems. The ribbon of the decoration is dark blue silk bordered with red. The official costume (rarely worn) is a dark blue evening dress coat closed in front by one row of gold buttons. The collar and cults and breast of the coat are covered with golden embroideries more or less elaborate, according to the grade or class of the wearer. Golden epaulettes, white trousers with gold side stripes, a bicornered hat with white plumes, complete the official dress. This order may be conferred also upon non-Catholics.

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MarchDub

CDfm wrote: »

In 1925 he was made Knight of the Grand Cross of the Order of Pius IX, so it is probably that -it was usually awarded to Catholic heads of state..

Edit - misread what you wrote. But it does seem to be similar to what George V is wearing?

MarchDub

CDfm wrote: »

Look at the ridiculous knee breeches and dainty shoes some of the other lads are wearing.

Maybe they were getting ready to do the Black Bottom? Do you think we should merge these threads?

CDfm

MarchDub wrote: »

Edit - misread what you wrote. But it does seem to be similar to what George V is wearing?

Doesn't it just. :pac:

And De Niro later borrowed the WT Slouch -now thats Gangster

Reekwind

MarchDub wrote: »

Edit - misread what you wrote. But it does seem to be similar to what George V is wearing?

Nah, that sort of oversized badge was popular back then - and might still be today in certain circles - but they're not the same. Order of Piux IX is a good guess for Cosgrave (he was awarded it in 1925 and I think it came with a sash) but George V is wearing the Order of the Garter

CDfm

Reekwind wrote: »

but George V is wearing the Order of the Garter

what about the other guys and why the funny trousers

FiSe

A certain dress code for certain ceremony, I can imagine, good auld times... Nowadays checkered shirt and ripped jeans will do for any occasion

purplepanda

So 7 Dominion Heads of State, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Canada & Newfoundland plus the UK I presume?

CDfm

purplepanda wrote: »

So 7 Dominion Heads of State, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Canada & Newfoundland plus the UK I presume?

The UK can't be its own dominion. Dominion implies some form of self government or parliment reporting to London.

So who else had that India or Rhodesia maybe ?

Maybe the OP can tell us who is in the photo ?

MadsL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1926_Imperial_Conference

King George V (front, centre) with his prime ministers. Standing (left to right): Monroe (Newfoundland), Coates (New Zealand), Bruce (Australia), Hertzog (Union of South Africa), Cosgrave (Irish Free State). Seated: Baldwin (United Kingdom), King George V, King (Canada).

CDfm

Were these what were called the White Dominions ?

What about India -didnt it have some form of self government and local leaders ?

Reekwind

CDfm wrote: »

Were these what were called the White Dominions ?

Yep. India was never a dominion and, AFAIK, never possessed any similar form of home rule

who the fug

Reekwind wrote: »

Yep. India was never a dominion and, AFAIK, never possessed any similar form of home rule

1947 to 1950 it was a dominion, then became a Republic

CDfm

who the fug wrote: »

1947 to 1950 it was a dominion, then became a Republic

Didnt the local lords, rajahs and maharajah's have some power ?

Was it not their choice on what became India or Pakistan??

who the fug

CDfm wrote: »

Didnt the local lords, rajahs and maharajah's have some power ?

Was it not their choice on what became India or Pakistan??

Not sure