UFC 130 - May 28th

callaway92

Stann was damn impressive

Story, likewise

IanMc666

lil-evil wrote: »

Good stand up in 3rd between Alves and Story

My thoughts exactly, some sweet knees.

drayme

Struve is ****ing awful standing.

lil-evil

Holy Sh!t

did you see him bend in half in the air after the Superman punch

callaway92

Nelson is looking absolutely rubbish

drayme

callaway92 wrote: »

Nelson is looking absolutely rubbish

He hasnt fought for a year. He has no stamina.

lil-evil

Other than his big right hand i haven't seen anything from Nelson in the UFC. I know he has a high standard BJJ Black belt but with big regular heavy weights on top of him he is never going to be able to use it.

He is always going to be a gatekeeper.:rolleyes:

callaway92

drayme wrote: »

He hasnt fought for a year. He has no stamina.

under 11 months ago. . .

wasn't just the stamina...he was sluggish from the start
:rolleyes:

rabbitinlights

They both weighed 260 at the weigh in...... I don't care what they say about country, you can't be a true pro athlete when you carry so much body fat, he simple didn't have the same fitness level as Mir.

weemcd

Nelson's bodyfat is making up a percentage of the weight he uses to stay grounded at heavy, if he lost it he would be too light for guys like Mir to just manhandle. He could easily make light heavy, baffles me as to why he doesn't shed the weight, or even how he can train professionally but still be overweight. I have absolutely no doubt its holding him back as a fighter, and he cant keep just taking digs, stay standing and accept the loss. He'll be a journeyman at best (what i consider him now) and more likely to face the chop, he is lucky he sparks interest in alot of fans.

Rampage looked good on the off, and the takedown defence speaks for himself. He did tire in the 3rd, his new diet and cardio plan didn't seem as good as it was built up to be. Wonder how much water holds with his story about the fractured hand, anyone convinced? Hamill can take a shot, but its drawing board for him, any possible opponents?

PS. Struve knockout looked un-natural, the loss of balance and arc of his back was just. ouch.:cool:

mid to good card, 6/10, edgar v maynard just starting right now would have been the ticket...

That_Guy

The novelty of Roy Nelson is really starting to wear off on me. just seems like he's giving a big fúck you to the fighters that train hard for hours and hours to get themselves ready for fights.

Was very impressed with Stann once again.

I flinched a little bit at the way Struve landed when he took that superman punch. Looked like a very unnatural landing.

Rampage V Hamill wasn't a great main event at all. Very one sided. Didn't realise that Hamill is deaf. Was always going to be at a disadvantage seeing as he wouldn't be able to hear his corner shouting instructions at him during the fight.

Xlami

I agree exactly that the novelty of Nelson has wore off. As DW said in his post fight interview with the little mermaid "The fat thing was funny for a while but not for a co-main event" I think it reflects really badly on the sport. From an outsider point of view it looks like some freak show fight like when Butterbean used to compete. I know Nelson is very talented and is by no means a freak show but he just has a poor attitude. Even on TUF 10 he had a very poor attitude and I imagine a lot of dedicated guys get frustrated by his lifestyle.

callaway92

Xlami wrote: »

I agree exactly that the novelty of Nelson has wore off. As DW said in his post fight interview with the little mermaid "The fat thing was funny for a while but not for a co-main event" I think it reflects really badly on the sport. From an outsider point of view it looks like some freak show fight like when Butterbean used to compete. I know Nelson is very talented and is by no means a freak show but he just has a poor attitude. Even on TUF 10 he had a very poor attitude and I imagine a lot of dedicated guys get frustrated by his lifestyle.

what? he was one of the nicer guys on the show

Oh_Noes

Poor card last night I thought. Alves seemed out of his element and Mir was just too well rounded for Nelson. I'm glad Rampage won but he looks past his best now, very hesitant to engage unless he's countering and not doing a whole lot of damage when he does. I think Jones will have far too much for him if that fight happens.

The Struve knockout was very nice but I like Struve so was sad to see it happen but he will be back and it looks like we have a new name in the mix in the fairly shallow HW division with Browne.

Highlight of the show for me was that it began it 11:45pm and ended at around 4:20am or so which bodes well for the future. Feels like a novelty having gotten out of bed at a reasonable hour this morning despite being up and watching a whole UFC event live. :pac:

Zero-Cool

Beaming with Mir, I was fully sure Nelson was gonna catch him on the chin. Country looked awful coming into the 3rd, pity Frank couldn't finish it. Interesting to see who Frank will be put against next.

Not a fan of skyscraper at all so was beaming he got beat as well.

Ah well, only 2 weeks to UFC 131. Carwin and JDS should be some fight!

weemcd

Nelson loses again he'll be cut.

Very low interest thread, this to do with champions league? or overall lack of interest in the card itself?

SDTimeout

I had to cut off early due to bad take away and funeral this morning but yeah it was a lot quieter than usual.

weemcd

I've watched super-hyped cards before that weren't as entertaining as last night, some very good fights thru prelims, Main event was a little disappointing, but all credit to Hamil he took Page's best shots, no shame in that performance. I did expect him to score a few takedowns but rampage was just so stout last night, that was the element that most impressed me about his performance.

lankysexybeast

anyone have a stream of it ??? cant find one and havnt watched it yet

El Guapo!

Overall impressions of the event was disappointing to be honest.
Stann put in an impressive performance and was probably the best of the night. Rick Story impressed too.
I'm sick of seeing Roy Nelson in the UFC to be honest. I just don't think he's good enough. The only reason he's still there is that he's a novelty fighter. All he has to offer is a knockout punch and the ability to take punishment. He's never gonna be a contender in the UFC and there's prob more deserving fighters who'd love to be in his position.
The main event was a let down to be honest. Hamil was useless. He's supposed to be a top wrestler yet his takedown attempts were pathetic. He has virtually no stand up skills. Back to the drawing board for him.
Rampage seems bored with the sport. He didn't seem to want to be there at all. I know he said he doesn't want to fight after 35 but I think he'll retire even sooner than that. Especially if he gets more acting opportunities. I think Jon Jones would destroy him. Maybe he'll hang on till he gets a title shot and then retire if and when he loses. I hope I'm wrong though cause I'm a fan of his.

ben.schlomo

The Torres, Story and Stann fights were good but the Mir and Rampage fights were pretty poor really. Disappointed Struve lost because i dont see Browne going very far up the ladder.

JacksonHeightsOwn

i think its safe to say the UFC has peaked, everything is down hill from here

each event is getting gradually worse, there's no denying it, the marketing behemoth that is the UFC has been amazing, but the fights do not match up to the media OVER hype.

terribly boring fights, nothing but wrestlers trying to press guys up against the fence and wearing them out, im sorry lads, but thats not entertaining

this is coming from a guy that saved his balls off to go to UFC 47, so im not one of the "new breed" fans, i like to think i know my Kimura from my Armbar.

i havent seen an exciting event in god knows now, utrer rubbish card. Dana White and the Feritita brothers are taking the piss out of the fans IMO, they're putting on far too many cards, and basically packing them full of mediocre rubbish.

there was a time there a few years ago where boxing was actually worried about the growth of MMA, i think its safe to say they worry no more!!

Zero-Cool

chrisbonnie wrote: »

i think its safe to say the UFC has peaked, everything is down hill from here

each event is getting gradually worse, there's no denying it

I thought UFC 129 was an excellent night of fights (except the main event of course)

Xlami

Oh_Noes wrote: »

. I'm glad Rampage won but he looks past his best now, very hesitant to engage unless he's countering and not doing a whole lot of damage when he does. I think Jones will have far too much for him if that fight happens.

:pac:

Usually I'm skeptical when fighters use an injury as an excuse for fighting differently but I think Rampages hand must of been fairly badly injured. I've never seen him fight so calculated and so cautious, just counter striking. There must have been a lot of pressure to fight, if he had pulled out that would have been two main events and a disaster for UFC.

weemcd

To say UFC as an entity has peaked is nonsense, influx of Strikeforce fighters ~ 1/2 years means they still have alot of matches to make, at least in the short term. The best will fight the best, this will lead to the best matchups on cards, I guarantee it... they haven't done too badly thus far.

Zero-Cool

"Oh sh*t, my foot is stuck!!"



Some other class photos here:

http://www.ufc.com/media/ufc-130-event-photo-gallery#i=1

jayteecork

Terrible card.
Matt Hamill and Roy Nelson in a main event?
Please.

That_Guy

jayteecork wrote: »

Terrible card.
Matt Hamill and Roy Nelson in a main event?
Please.

Eh?

mailburner

sheehy83 wrote: »

I thought UFC 129 was an excellent night of fights (except the main event of course)

+1
129 was a great card bar gsp/shields

awful impressed with stann and story
can't wait to see who story gets next myself
he's the first i've seen to take alves best shots
and survive, a concrete chin to say the least

big country was useless and even by his standards
his stamina was awful
can't imagine he trained very hard unless maybe
it was the injury that held him up

rampage hamill was painful to watch

callaway92

That_Guy wrote: »

Eh?

you know what he meant ffs

Nelson in Co main, Hamill in main...no need to set out to insult him

jayteecork

Roy Nelson should be ashamed of himself tbh - wins tuf and get a shot at the big time, and shows up in that sort of condition.

themandan6611

jayteecork wrote: »

Roy Nelson should be ashamed of himself tbh - wins tuf and get a shot at the big time, and shows up in that sort of condition.

he's just big-boned you know

Daroxtar

chrisbonnie wrote: »

i think its safe to say the UFC has peaked, everything is down hill from here

each event is getting gradually worse, there's no denying it, the marketing behemoth that is the UFC has been amazing, but the fights do not match up to the media OVER hype.

terribly boring fights, nothing but wrestlers trying to press guys up against the fence and wearing them out, im sorry lads, but thats not entertaining

this is coming from a guy that saved his balls off to go to UFC 47, so im not one of the "new breed" fans, i like to think i know my Kimura from my Armbar.

i havent seen an exciting event in god knows now, utrer rubbish card. Dana White and the Feritita brothers are taking the piss out of the fans IMO, they're putting on far too many cards, and basically packing them full of mediocre rubbish.

there was a time there a few years ago where boxing was actually worried about the growth of MMA, i think its safe to say they worry no more!!

I agree with pretty much all of this. We are never going to see fights like Hughes v Newton, Hughes v GSP, Lidddell-Ortiz-Couture, that was the golden age, that was the calibre of what got me into UFC. Fights that really excited you, that you would be looking forward to for weeks on end and talking about for ages afterward. I've gone from watching every fight I could to having a passing interest in the last 2 years or so. Unless GSP fights Anderson Silva i'm just not excited by it at the moment. Sorry

Gorey_R

Daroxtar wrote: »

I agree with pretty much all of this. We are never going to see fights like Hughes v Newton, Hughes v GSP, Lidddell-Ortiz-Couture, that was the golden age, that was the calibre of what got me into UFC. Fights that really excited you, that you would be looking forward to for weeks on end and talking about for ages afterward. I've gone from watching every fight I could to having a passing interest in the last 2 years or so. Unless GSP fights Anderson Silva i'm just not excited by it at the moment. Sorry

The next time i look at one of these threads it'll be because I'm looking for the motivation to kill myself.

Xlami

chrisbonnie wrote: »

i think its safe to say the UFC has peaked, everything is down hill from here

each event is getting gradually worse, there's no denying it, the marketing behemoth that is the UFC has been amazing, but the fights do not match up to the media OVER hype.

terribly boring fights, nothing but wrestlers trying to press guys up against the fence and wearing them out, im sorry lads, but thats not entertaining

this is coming from a guy that saved his balls off to go to UFC 47, so im not one of the "new breed" fans, i like to think i know my Kimura from my Armbar.

i havent seen an exciting event in god knows now, utrer rubbish card. Dana White and the Feritita brothers are taking the piss out of the fans IMO, they're putting on far too many cards, and basically packing them full of mediocre rubbish.

there was a time there a few years ago where boxing was actually worried about the growth of MMA, i think its safe to say they worry no more!!

I do understand your complaint but I feel part of it may just be nothing but looking back on past events nostalgically. For instance some fans will always feel that the UFC will never be able to replicate Pride for entertainment. And also people who think we'll never see people like Hughes/Liddell etc. again. I agree the past UFC events had some belters on them and great memories but I also think the sport has grown and fighters have evolved. While there is currently a trend of wrestlers in the UFC I think this will pass. I mean with exciting guys like Jones, Anderson Silva, Cain Velasquez, Erik Koch, Lauzon to name just a few I don't see how you don't look forward to cards. Ok UFC 130 was a poor card and you may feel recent cards have been poor; it's a matter of opinion. But just because football had a poor World Cup doesn't mean the sport is dieing or anything. I am very excited by the UFC's summer cards and think they're are some great fights. I'm obviously not saying your not an MMA fan but as an MMA fan I'm very excited about fights like Barry Vs Kongo, Leben Vs Silva, G-Sot Vs Dos Anjos and Forrest Vs Rua 2. I don't understand how people aren't looking forward to these events.

Mellor

LMFAO

Yeah, nobody was dying to see;
HW - Lesnar v Cain, or nobody wants to see Cain v JDS
LHW - Machida v Rua 2 was jugely awaited, as was Rua v Bones. The whole world is wait to see who is going to step up to fight Bones next?
MW - The upset that never was as Silva v Sonnen, the "i'm still the boss" kick to the face of Vitor, the potential Sonnen rematch
WW - GSP v Silva superfight if it happens, the more likely match will be nick Diaz superfight. Undisputed champion anyone
LW - BJ v Edgar 1 and 2, Edgar v Maynard 2, Edgar v Maynard 3
FW - Aldo in the UFC! Upcoming fight with Mendez
BW - BW fightes in the UFC full stop!! THe rematch between Cruz and Faber (the only guy to stop Cruz), this time for Cruz's belt, at his weight

so, that's a recent fight and an upcoming fight in everyone division that was great, or has people looking forward to that.


Past it's prime, GTFO

DrPhilG

Mellor wrote: »

Past it's prime, GTFO

Agreed. 130 wasn't even that bad an event and people are writing obituaries. :rolleyes:

jayteecork

Mellor wrote: »

LMFAO

Yeah, nobody was dying to see;
HW - Lesnar v Cain, or nobody wants to see Cain v JDS
LHW - Machida v Rua 2 was jugely awaited, as was Rua v Bones. The whole world is wait to see who is going to step up to fight Bones next?
MW - The upset that never was as Silva v Sonnen, the "i'm still the boss" kick to the face of Vitor, the potential Sonnen rematch
WW - GSP v Silva superfight if it happens, the more likely match will be nick Diaz superfight. Undisputed champion anyone
LW - BJ v Edgar 1 and 2, Edgar v Maynard 2, Edgar v Maynard 3
FW - Aldo in the UFC! Upcoming fight with Mendez
BW - BW fightes in the UFC full stop!! THe rematch between Cruz and Faber (the only guy to stop Cruz), this time for Cruz's belt, at his weight

so, that's a recent fight and an upcoming fight in everyone division that was great, or has people looking forward to that.


Past it's prime, GTFO

Let's not forget the potential of Jon Bones.

rabbitinlights

I think it's the fact that I had very low expectations for this card, but I actually thought it wasn't too bad, enjoyed both Stann & Story, thought the Struve knockout was great (and awful at the same time) Tibau's sub was pretty decent....

I actually loved seeing Rampage knock the **** out of Hamil, thought he looked faster (in round 1 & 2) just a shame he could not finish him.

Thought Mir looked decent enough, especially after that snoozefest of him & Cro-Cop... I thought Mir could have finished him at the end with the Elbows, but chose not to as he was clearly winning and also could have seriously hurt him, not too sure how I feel about that, would be great to see a proper finish but you understand his hesitation.

S.

El Guapo!

The injury list for UFC just gets bigger and bigger..........

UFC 130 medical suspensions: Jackson, Mir, Stann, Santiago face six-month layoffs

UFC 130's list of walking wounded was lengthy, and five fighters from this past weekend's card face medical suspensions of up to six months.

MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) today requested and received the list of suspensions from the Nevada State Athletic Commissions.

The potential half-year suspensions went to main-event winner Quinton "Rampage" Jackson, co-main-event winner Frank Mir, main-card fighters Brian Stann and Jorge Santiago, and preliminary-card competitor Michael McDonald.

UFC 130 took place this past Saturday, May 28, at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas. The night's main card aired on pay-per-view, and the preliminary card aired on Spike TV and streamed on Facebook.

Surprisingly, Santiago was the only losing fighter on the list of lengthy suspensions.


The full list includes:

• Quinton "Rampage" Jackson: Must have have left hand X-rayed, and if injured, suspended until Nov. 25, though he can be cleared by an orthopedic doctor; regardless, suspended with no contact during training until June 28
• Frank Mir: Suspended until Nov. 25 due to possible rib injuries, though he can be cleared by a doctor; regardless, suspended until June 28 with no contact until June 19
• Stefan Struve: Suspended until July 28 with no contact until July 13 for precautionary reasons
• Brian Stann: Must have have right thumb X-rayed, and if injured, suspended until Nov. 25, though he can be cleared by an orthopedic doctor; regardless, suspended until June 28 with no contact until June 19
• Jorge Santiago: Suspended until Nov. 25 due to a possible left-orbital injury, though he can be cleared early by an ENT doctor or ophthalmologist
• Rafaello Oliveira: Suspended until July 28 with no contact until July 13 for precautionary reasons
• Michael McDonald: Suspended until Nov. 25 due to a possible shoulder injury, though he can be cleared early by orthopedic doctor; regardless, suspended until July 28 with no contact until July 13 for precautionary reasons

calex71

Stefan Struve is no surprise, KO's don't come much sweeter than that.

Have to say it always amazes me when I see Struve how much he towers over the top of the cage but he was caught with one sweet punch from brown.

Mellor

Mellor wrote: »

LHW - Machida v Rua 2 was jugely awaited, as was Rua v Bones. The whole world is wait to see who is going to step up to fight Bones next?

jayteecork wrote: »

Let's not forget the potential of Jon Bones.

the_doctor199

Here's the salaries (insert usual disclaimer bollocks that these don't include sponsor money)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson: $250,000 (no win bonus)
def. Matt Hamill: $32,000

Frank Mir: $250,000 (includes $125,000 win bonus)
def. Roy Nelson: $15,000

Travis Browne: $16,000 ($8,000 win bonus)
def. Stefan Struve: $21,000

Rick Story: $34,000 ($17,000 win bonus)
def. Thiago Alves: $ 33,000

Brian Stann: $46,000 ($23,000 win bonus)
def. Jorge Santiago: $36,000

Demetrious Johnson: $12,000 ($6,000 win bonus)
def. Miguel Torres: $30,000

Tim Boetsch: $36,000 ($18,000 win bonus)
def. Kendall Grove: $28,000

Gleison Tibau: $50,000 ($25,000 win bonus)
def. Rafaello Oliveira: $10,000

Michael McDonald: $12,000 ($6,000 win bonus)
def. Chris Cariaso: $4000

Renan Barao: $10,000 ($5,000 win bonus)
def. Cole Escovedo: $6,000

jayteecork

Mellor wrote: »

lol, sorry missed that.

jayteecork

the_doctor199 wrote: »

Here's the salaries (insert usual disclaimer bollocks that these don't include sponsor money)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson: $250,000 (no win bonus)
def. Matt Hamill: $32,000

Frank Mir: $250,000 (includes $125,000 win bonus)
def. Roy Nelson: $15,000

Travis Browne: $16,000 ($8,000 win bonus)
def. Stefan Struve: $21,000

Rick Story: $34,000 ($17,000 win bonus)
def. Thiago Alves: $ 33,000

Brian Stann: $46,000 ($23,000 win bonus)
def. Jorge Santiago: $36,000

Demetrious Johnson: $12,000 ($6,000 win bonus)
def. Miguel Torres: $30,000

Tim Boetsch: $36,000 ($18,000 win bonus)
def. Kendall Grove: $28,000

Gleison Tibau: $50,000 ($25,000 win bonus)
def. Rafaello Oliveira: $10,000

Michael McDonald: $12,000 ($6,000 win bonus)
def. Chris Cariaso: $4000

Renan Barao: $10,000 ($5,000 win bonus)
def. Cole Escovedo: $6,000

How's Mir making such good dough? Don't think Rampage is worth 250K either tbh.

the_doctor199

Rampage is known by the casual fan though so he is worth it, even if his recent fights havn't been great. Nelson's figure surprised me, I assume he's still on an old contract.

jayteecork

the_doctor199 wrote: »

Rampage is known by the casual fan though so he is worth it, even if his recent fights havn't been great. Nelson's figure surprised me, I assume he's still on an old contract.

Well Page can't be winning much fans since his last 3 fights.

Ever sinc ehe came back from a-team he's looked listless.

weemcd

Rampage is doing mad business selling wise for UFC, he is absolute gold to the casual fan, interviews ant Twitter. His fight performances are lackluster, always looks a third round away from the finished article. I still think the winner of Griffin - Rua is the best matchup for him, he cannot pose Jones a problem at present.

mailburner

the_doctor199 wrote: »

Nelson's figure surprised me, I assume he's still on an old contract.

was shocked by that myself also
was sure he'd be on a fair bit more than that

Mellor

jayteecork wrote: »

Well Page can't be winning much fans since his last 3 fights.

Ever sinc ehe came back from a-team he's looked listless.

People seem to forget that fighters are paid for fights in blocks, its not a per fight basis.
He hasn't looked great since his A-Team return but that's when contract would of been made. It's also above how big of a draw you are, he is very good for media appearances. He'll get a spot on most talk shows, even the A-Team is good business for the UFC.

Ditto Mir, he prob got a fight deal at the time of his Lesnar fights.

mailburner wrote: »

was shocked by that myself also
was sure he'd be on a fair bit more than that

Nelson is almost certainly still on his TUF contract. Its a 3 or 4 fight deal. 16k a fight, 16k win bonus = 96k potential for 3 fights. He's easily get to the "6-figure" mark with appearance money.

I'd expect his next contract to put him around 32k+32k win bonus