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X Factor 2011 (UK show)

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    #8102
    F-Stop
    Registered Users Posts: 763 ✭✭✭F-Stop


    No love for Misha, but Tulisa basically calling her a bully on live TV in order to try and sway voting and dent her confidence, isn't that... bullying?

    Seems to be a lot of contrivance this year, more than before. The ratings are dipping so it seems like a lot of this crap is designed to up the viewership. I hate that they are grooming certain contestants (Frankie and Misha) and ignoring others.

    There's some good talent on the show, but they seem to be ignoring it in favour of headline grabbers. The whole remanufacturing manufactured bands, etc. Kind of getting bored with it this year.


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    #8103
    Tandey
    Registered Users Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭Tandey


    Dont know how people can defend a bully, if the claims are true she should be sent home. Obviously this is week 3 or 4 or something and its been going on a while(previous claims) so if she doesn't cop on after been sounded out live on air then she will never learn, its not nice been bullied.


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    #8104
    numbnutz
    Registered Users Posts: 349 ✭✭numbnutz


    dee. wrote: »
    numbnutz wrote: »
    Wow .....who's goin to vote for a bully..very low tulisa and Louis

    I don't understand why people are saying its low. If this girl is going around bullying other contestants then I think she deserved to be called out on it on stage, might knock her down off her high horse and make her think twice before she starts knocking other people down next time.
    Completely agree with you dee the very low comment was in respect to airing it on tv .....but you know this will get twisted that Louis and tulisa felt threatened ......wouldnt have happened with cowell around


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    #8105
    ibarelycare
    Registered Users Posts: 58,456 ✭✭✭✭ibarelycare


    Kelly's 100% right.

    If Tulisa wants to make accusations then she needs to come out and say them so Misha can defend herself.


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    #8106
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    Louis basically confirms Kitty is the target of Mischa.


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    #8107
    mr kr0nik
    Registered Users Posts: 755 ✭✭✭mr kr0nik


    Min wrote: »
    Mischa could have spoken if she wanted, it was like she had nothing to defend.

    I'm not defending her here but maybe she didn't want to get into a discussion like that on live TV


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    #8108
    dee.
    Registered Users Posts: 1,461 ✭✭✭dee.


    Gary saying he doesn't mind Frankie going out 4 nights a week so long as he is delivering....but hes not..at all!


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    #8109
    Justask
    Registered Users Posts: 1,391 ✭✭✭Justask


    ibarelycare wrote: »
    Kelly's 100% right.

    If Tulisa wants to make accusations then she needs to come out and say them so Misha can defend herself.

    Dermot had the mic the her mouth she could if she wanted to!!


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    #8110
    dee.
    Registered Users Posts: 1,461 ✭✭✭dee.


    Joe is kind of cute.


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    #8111
    keps
    Registered Users Posts: 9,324 ✭✭✭keps


    Gary says


    'they are cooked up in a house'

    instead of cooped up

    hehehe


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    #8112
    LizT
    Registered Users Posts: 29,089 ✭✭✭✭LizT


    I know there are two sides to every story but....

    Mischa said in her VT that she is here to win and she seemed quite sure of herself.

    Bullying is horrible and ANY accusations should be investigated.


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    #8113
    ibarelycare
    Registered Users Posts: 58,456 ✭✭✭✭ibarelycare


    Justask wrote: »
    Dermot had the mic the her mouth she could if she wanted to!!


    I'd say she was completely in shock tbh!


    Look by no means am I defending bullies, I HATE bullying. But I just think the whole way that it was gone about was really sly.


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    #8114
    Nicki123
    Registered Users Posts: 294 ✭✭Nicki123


    Novella wrote: »
    "It's been reported"? We still don't know that it's fact. It's a singing/talent competition. She is talented, she can sing.

    Now don't get me wrong, I have no time for bullying whatsoever. Not at all. However, pulling someone up like that is out of line. It is so degrading, so sly. Just the lowest of the low.

    What if she wasn't bullying anyone at all? There are 2 sides to every story. That was just wrong. In my opinion.

    Well we'll have to agree to disagree. The people in this show are young and vulnerable and someone needs to stand up for them and Tulisa did it in a way that brooked no nonsense. If Mischa was accused falsely do you not think she would have responded?


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    #8115
    Chocoholic84
    Registered Users Posts: 881 ✭✭✭Chocoholic84


    Wow, great show tonight, very entertaining with all the bickering among the judges - they obviously took the threat of being axed by Simon seriously :P

    So here's my take on all the performances tonight:

    Marcus - Nailed it.
    Janet - Tulisa got it absolutely spot on - how the hell was that rock? The original song is, however Janet pretty much ruined it. Bottom 2 tomorrow?
    Craig - Meh.
    The Risk - Meh.
    Frankie - Not too bad actually this week.
    Kitty - Loved her!
    Rhythmix - Wasn't a rock song - but did an OK job. Am a little bit in love with them!!
    Johhny - Brill! Song totally worked for him!
    Mischa - Great performance as per - judging from what Tulisa and Louis said, and the media, needs to be taken down a peg or 2 though.
    Sami - Amazing singer - Gary what's your problem?
    Sophie - Again, like Janet, ruined a proper rock song. Living On A Prayer is a classic - DO NOT MAKE IT INTO A BALLAD :mad:

    My predictions for the bottom 2 tomorrow? OK the ones Id LIKE:
    Janet & Frankie

    The ones that WILL?
    Frankie & Sophie


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    #8116
    ibarelycare
    Registered Users Posts: 58,456 ✭✭✭✭ibarelycare


    lizt wrote: »
    I know there are two sides to every story but....

    Mischa said in her VT that she is here to win and she seemed quite sure of herself.

    Bullying is horrible and ANY accusations should be investigated.

    I agree, the accusations should be investigated, but I think it should have all been done in private. If it turns out Misha IS a bully then I think she should be outed, but to just spring it on her like that in front of 12 million people or so, is very unfair.


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    #8117
    F-Stop
    Registered Users Posts: 763 ✭✭✭F-Stop


    Only the good looking ones get on skype... :eek:


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    #8118
    KeithAFC
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    ibarelycare wrote: »
    I'd say she was completely in shock tbh!


    Look by no means am I defending bullies, I HATE bullying. But I just think the whole way that it was gone about was really sly.
    It is a game show, it is all about the judges and trying to make the other acts look bad. Doesn't matter if they are all lying. Gary Barlow said he was bullsh*iting about Frankie's performance last week. Just a game.


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    #8119
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    mr kr0nik wrote: »
    I'm not defending her here but maybe she didn't want to get into a discussion like that on live TV

    If one was innocent they would more than likely do so, I don't think the judges were telling lies, Gary and Kelly wanted it all kept quiet, bullies needs to be exposed and this is a public competition, Miscah shouldn't be on it if she can't handle herself properly with other people that she sees as a threat.


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    #8120
    Novella
    Registered Users Posts: 13,713 ✭✭✭✭Novella


    Nicki123 wrote: »
    Well we'll have to agree to disagree. The people in this show are young and vulnerable and someone needs to stand up for them and Tulisa did it in a way that brooked no nonsense. If Mischa was accused falsely do you not think she would have responded?

    If I was stood up on a stage like that and I knew so many people were watching and I was accused of bullying, I am guessing I would be too stunned to respond. Not to mention embarrassed, hurt, about 2 inches tall.

    If a child in a class went to a teacher and said, "X is being mean to me", would you think it was fine for the teacher to stand up in front of the class and say, "Hey everybody, guess who is a bully?"?


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    #8121
    LizT
    Registered Users Posts: 29,089 ✭✭✭✭LizT


    ibarelycare wrote: »
    I agree, the accusations should be investigated, but I think it should have all been done in private. If it turns out Misha IS a bully then I think she should be outed, but to just spring it on her like that in front of 12 million people or so, is very unfair.

    I can see where you're coming from but at the same time we don't know if Tulisa has already raised this issue in private and it hasn't been addressed.


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    #8122
    Justask
    Registered Users Posts: 1,391 ✭✭✭Justask


    ibarelycare wrote: »
    I agree, the accusations should be investigated, but I think it should have all been done in private. If it turns out Misha IS a bully then I think she should be outed, but to just spring it on her like that in front of 12 million people or so, is very unfair.

    NO!!!!! We protect bullies EVERYWHERE. In schools its covered up in work places it is to. Make a show of bullies is what I think. There is no way they would say what they said unlss they had fact and witness's.


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    #8123
    mr kr0nik
    Registered Users Posts: 755 ✭✭✭mr kr0nik


    Min wrote: »
    If one was innocent they would more than likely do so, I don't think the judges were telling lies, Gary and Kelly wanted it all kept quiet, bullies needs to be exposed and this is a public competition, Miscah shouldn't be on it if she can't handle herself properly with other people that she sees as a threat.

    If she has bullied anyone she show definitely go. This wasn't the way to go about it and it never would have happened this way if Simon was present.


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    #8124
    Paparazzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,397 ✭✭✭Paparazzo


    dee. wrote: »
    Gary saying he doesn't mind Frankie going out 4 nights a week so long as he is delivering....but hes not..at all!

    Frankie will be going out again very soon........;)


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    #8125
    k4kate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 648 ✭✭✭k4kate


    Novella wrote: »
    If I was stood up on a stage like that and I knew so many people were watching and I was accused of bullying, I am guessing I would be too stunned to respond. Not to mention embarrassed, hurt, about 2 inches tall.

    If a child in a class went to a teacher and said, "X is being mean to me", would you think it was fine for the teacher to stand up in front of the class and say, "Hey everybody, guess who is a bully?"?[/QUOTE]

    Good point


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    #8126
    midlandsmissus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    Calling a young girl a bully in front of millions of people is...bullying.


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    #8127
    ibarelycare
    Registered Users Posts: 58,456 ✭✭✭✭ibarelycare


    Justask wrote: »
    NO!!!!! We protect bullies EVERYWHERE. In schools its covered up in work places it is to. Make a show of bullies is what I think. There is no way they would say what they said unlss they had fact and witness's.


    How do you know??? :confused: This is X Factor, they have no morals!!!


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    #8128
    dee.
    Registered Users Posts: 1,461 ✭✭✭dee.


    This mug thing is so played out...


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    #8129
    TeddyTedson
    Registered Users Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    This is utter ****e right now, what are they doing? This is not entertainment!


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    #8130
    Nicki123
    Registered Users Posts: 294 ✭✭Nicki123


    Novella wrote: »
    If I was stood up on a stage like that and I knew so many people were watching and I was accused of bullying, I am guessing I would be too stunned to respond. Not to mention embarrassed, hurt, about 2 inches tall.

    If a child in a class went to a teacher and said, "X is being mean to me", would you think it was fine for the teacher to stand up in front of the class and say, "Hey everybody, guess who is a bully?"?

    The point is that Mischa has already been pulled up over her bullying in private and yet she continues to indulge in it. Fair game at this stage to out her on national television. I despise bullys and don't have an ounce of sympathy for them.


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    #8131
    LizT
    Registered Users Posts: 29,089 ✭✭✭✭LizT


    Novella wrote: »
    If I was stood up on a stage like that and I knew so many people were watching and I was accused of bullying, I am guessing I would be too stunned to respond. Not to mention embarrassed, hurt, about 2 inches tall.

    If a child in a class went to a teacher and said, "X is being mean to me", would you think it was fine for the teacher to stand up in front of the class and say, "Hey everybody, guess who is a bully?"?

    I wouldn't advocate that at all but I (unfortunately) know that bullies NEED to be called out on their actions. School bullying is completely different to what was being discussed tonight.


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