France v Ireland

daveyeh

RepublicanEagle wrote: »

This is fcuking stupid, do not generalise an entire nationality on the actions of a few people, I am an student from Ireland doing my Erasmus year at the moment and I can safely say that the Irish are very well liked here in France.

Erasmus year?

francois

orourkeda wrote: »

Perhaps this is a silly question but, if France are so worried about our corporation tax rate then why dont they just drop their own rate

The effective rate is often lower than ireland's, due to a hideously complicated tax system, and concessions given to a load of multinationals
Sarko is only playing to the gallery, he's running scared of the far right, hence his "hard man" stance against the tax.
He is pretty well despised in France

prinz

daveyeh wrote: »

Erasmus year?

Study or work experience abroad as part of a third level qualification.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erasmus_Programme

Elmer Blooker

Topper Harley wrote: »

God damn cheese-eating surrender monkeys.

When the Germans reached Paris in 1940:
"Ah, table for two million?" (in a ridiculous 'allo 'allo accent )

daveyeh

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/martina-devlin/martina-devlin-so-sarkozy-says-non-well-lets-follow-his-lead-2669927.html

orourkeda

Fack off napoleon sarkozy

Irish Guitarist

daveyeh wrote: »

First Henry handballs us out of the world cup, now this!


http://www.examiner.ie/ireland/france-scuppers-hopes-of-cut-in-bailout-interest-rate-154340.html


Why do they do dislike us so?

I don't know much about football but isn't the idea of it to beat the team you're playing against?

sensibleken

daveyeh wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/martina-devlin/martina-devlin-so-sarkozy-says-non-well-lets-follow-his-lead-2669927.html

"
If you're planning an engagement, head for Tiffany not Cartier. If you're buying bubbles, think cava not champagne. If you're in the market for a new car, steer clear of Peugeot. "

the independant, once again getting to the heart of the matter with serious journalsim. I wish that paper had nuts so i could kick them

greendom

sensibleken wrote: »

"
If you're planning an engagement, head for Tiffany not Cartier. If you're buying bubbles, think cava not champagne. If you're in the market for a new car, steer clear of Peugeot. "

the independant, once again getting to the heart of the matter with serious journalsim. I wish that paper had nuts so i could kick them

Sad excuse for a paper.

daveyeh

sensibleken wrote: »

"
If you're planning an engagement, head for Tiffany not Cartier. If you're buying bubbles, think cava not champagne. If you're in the market for a new car, steer clear of Peugeot. "

the independant, once again getting to the heart of the matter with serious journalsim. I wish that paper had nuts so i could kick them

It's what they do.

daveyeh

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

I don't know much about football but isn't the idea of it to beat the team you're playing against?

It is of course. Is it ok to cheat though?

Absurdum

never riding a french bird again :mad:

TheZohanS

orourkeda wrote: »

Perhaps this is a silly question but, if France are so worried about our corporation tax rate then why dont they just drop their own rate

France already have lower rates of Corporation Tax but their base CT is higher than ours. The French have a rate of approximately 30% but their effective rate is 8%.

BERLIN AND Paris have been making noises about Ireland’s corporation tax rate, complaining that it is far below the European norm.

In a way they are voicing the same message as IDA Ireland, which lists the corporation tax rates of other jurisdictions on its website in an effort to attract increased multinational investment here. While the Irish rate is 12.5 per cent, the website shows that the German, French and UK rates all hover at about 30 per cent.

However, figures contained in a World Bank-PricewaterhouseCoopers report, Paying Taxes 2011, tell a different story. The report shows the actual rate of tax paid by companies in the countries mentioned above is far below the nominal rates in those countries.

In Germany the actual rate paid is 22.9 per cent and in the UK it is 23.2 per cent. President Nicolas Sarkozy has made clear his dislike of Ireland’s low corporation tax rate but his country’s effective tax rate for corporates is an amazingly low 8.2 per cent – below the Irish level. Earlier this month, an unnamed Irish official said that “based on our information, 25 per cent of all French companies did not pay any corporate tax in 2009”.

The Irish effective tax rate, at 11.9 per cent, is very close to its actual rate. This reflects Ireland’s desire to make its corporate tax regime as simple as possible, again so as to attract foreign direct investment. We do not have the range of write-offs other countries do.

Source: Irish Times.

sensibleken

when is the next french presidential election. cant wait to see this shrunken michael barrymore turfed out on his tiny arse

newballsplease

greendom wrote: »

Sad excuse for a paper.

The irish independent???? Sorry but your just trying to jump on the whole boards bandwaggon of slating every tabloid like the sun and daily star etc..


Doesnt work. The Independent is a good decent paper.

conorhal

greendom wrote: »

Sad excuse for a paper.

But right in this case.

If Sarko wants to hold our economy to ransom and put a gun to our head I see no reason why we shouldn't do the same in protest, if it's selfish national self interest he wants, I see no reason not to give it to him.

Of course what I'd really like to see is Enda at the next meeting of European premiers, when Sarko extends his hand, draw back his foot and deliver a mighty kick in the in the bollix that would lift him eye level with the rest of the crowd, and then, as he writhes on the floor tell him him, "Paddy wants to know where his interest rate reduction is?"

Bluefoam

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

The only way to settle this is a dual, between our premier and their premier. The winner of said duel, gets their way. Of course, such a dual will be broadcast on television. The venue shall be England, Enda give Sarkozy hell and don't bother back if you lose!

Thats not a fair challenge. Sarkozy is a much smaller target.

daveyeh

newballsplease wrote: »

The Independent is a good decent paper.

Hahahahaha!! :pac::pac::pac:

Batsy

daveyeh wrote: »

First Henry handballs us out of the world cup, now this!


http://www.examiner.ie/ireland/france-scuppers-hopes-of-cut-in-bailout-interest-rate-154340.html


Why do they do dislike us so?

The only people the French like are the French.

What I think is a tragedy in the modern world is that Britain doesn't get the chance to beat France in wars anymore.

latenia

France could reduce their CT rate to 0% and we could raise ours to 30% and all those American companies would still come here for the simple reason that the Americans think the French are dicks.

Chuck Stone

It's so sad how people have turned this into a nationalist based debate. The Irish versus the French and the Germans.

The individuals who have created this mess wouldn't have it any other way.

I want nothing to do with paying for the spectacular failures of politicians and speculators and it matters not one iota what country they come from Ireland, France, Germany or Gondwanaland.

Do I have a choice in the matter? No.

Where do I get to tick the box saying 'Would you like to pay for the failure of the speculators and politicians'?

Where is it? Where's my fcuking check box?

sensibleken

Chuck Stone wrote: »

It's so sad how people have turned this into a nationalist based debate. The Irish versus the French and the Germans.

The individuals who have created this mess wouldn't have it any other way.

This is true. It should be reminded that sarkosy is hated in france aswell. this disaster came about in an enviroment engineered to be borderless in terms of capital movement. but some heads of state are perfectly happy to throw up borders when someone has to pay the bill

busyliving

Do we buy much stuff off France?

If so why not just start boycotting their smelly french products

...shower o kuntz anyways

Son Of A Vidic

mconigol wrote: »

Threaten to default.

That'll shut em up.

Precisely, we could also bring down the 'Euro' project quite easily. Ironically, Ireland is in a position of power. It's just a pity we don't use it a bit more. I reckon we should actually reduce our corporation tax to about 9%.

greendom

Xenophobia - don't you just love it - was going to report a few threads, but there are just too many :mad:

Chuck Stone

sensibleken wrote: »

This disaster came about in an enviroment engineered to be borderless in terms of capital movement. but some heads of state are perfectly happy to throw up borders when someone has to pay the bill

That includes 'our own' (our own my arse).

The problem here is lack of choice.

If it went to referendum and we got to choose whether we want to pay for the failures of speculators and politicians who in their right mind would say - yep throw those saddle bags up on my back and mount up.

El Siglo

They want their money, they're making us pay that's it. They don't hate us particularly, they're only trumpeting that whole "the Irish aren't good Europeans" to deflect the fact that they just want their money back while still maintaining monetary union stability (i.e. saving the euro at the expense of Ireland). The corporation tax thing has always been a sticking point, nothing new there.

Chuck Stone

El Siglo wrote: »

They want their money,

'They' being failed bankers/speculators.

they're making us pay that's it.

'Us' being people who have no choice or no part in their failure - some of 'us' aren't even born yet. Babies will be born within these shores who will be paying for these bastards failures. Born with debt.

This is totally immoral.

Absurdum

El Siglo wrote: »

They want their money,

www.aib.ie
http://www.angloirishbank.ie/
http://www.bankofireland.com/

there you go, now piss off and leave the rest of us alone

Sir Oxman

sensibleken wrote: »

"
If you're planning an engagement, head for Tiffany not Cartier. If you're buying bubbles, think cava not champagne. If you're in the market for a new car, steer clear of Peugeot. "

the independant, once again getting to the heart of the matter with serious journalsim. I wish that paper had nuts so i could kick them

I heard that stupid biatch Devlin on the radio this morning and while I have no time for the EU project, she is typical of that fúckin AWFUL rag of a paper.
Thickos the lot of them!
And she sounds as thick and uninformed as she reads.

hatrickpatrick

28064212 wrote: »

Incorrect. We were told that nothing in the Lisbon Treaty made any changes to Ireland's control of its corporate tax rates. Which was exactly right.

In fairness though that's like giving away your prized sword to someone who had begged and begged you to give it to them, with a promise that they won't kill you with it...

And then they shoot you with a shotgun instead and say "what? I just said I wouldn't kill you with the sword. DIE. *bang*"

It's sneaky and dishonest. If it weren't for us their little power grab treaty would never have gone through and France/Germany would have had to live with being equal partners without wielding an axe over everyone else.

We gave them the axe so then they said "Now we can shoot them, nothing further to lose."

There is no way you can look at this situation and NOT realize that the French government are being acting like b*tchy teenage girls. They get their way and then they can stop pretending to be nice to you.

sensibleken

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

In fairness though that's like giving away your prized sword to someone who had begged and begged you to give it to them, with a promise that they won't kill you with it...

And then they shoot you with a shotgun instead and say "what? I just said I wouldn't kill you with the sword. DIE. *bang*"

It's sneaky and dishonest. If it weren't for us their little power grab treaty would never have gone through and France/Germany would have had to live with being equal partners without wielding an axe over everyone else.

We gave them the axe so then they said "Now we can shoot them, nothing further to lose."

There is no way you can look at this situation and NOT realize that the French government are being acting like b*tchy teenage girls. They get their way and then they can stop pretending to be nice to you.

the fact they are acting like cúnts is nothing to do with lisbon. this **** is happening outside of any treaty and the route cause happened well in advance of lisbon.

if any of the bullshít spouted by the anti lisbon lot about corporation tax was true they would just go ahead and change it without having to resort to blackmail like they are. really its that simple

newballsplease

daveyeh wrote: »

Hahahahaha!! :pac::pac::pac:

Whats wrong with it? What paper do you reccomend?

El Siglo

Chuck Stone wrote:

'They' being failed bankers/speculators.

They weren't failed bankers and speculators five years ago going into the Galway tent. We voted in poor regulators and terrible governance and as things go; "you reap what you sow".

'Us' being people who have no choice or no part in their failure - some of 'us' aren't even born yet. Babies will be born within these shores who will be paying for these bastards failures. Born with debt.

This is totally immoral.

We're the tax payers, we allowed idiots to do this when they signed the guarantee. At least the Greeks protested austerity, we now know the government guaranteed Anglo et al. why the fuck are we not revolting is beyond me? Future generations will be born into debt, and it is our fault. We're too worried about the immediate to care about the future. However, that's speculative and open for conjecture. Morality has nothing to do with it, the modern banking system is completely immoral but we've adhered to it for over three hundred years.

Absurdum wrote: »

www.aib.ie
http://www.angloirishbank.ie/
http://www.bankofireland.com/

there you go, now piss off and leave the rest of us alone

Where the fuck do you think they (Irish banks) got their money from? Why the fuck was the government so eager to join the euro, for the love of a new currency not related to stirling? Our banks borrowed money from their (French/German et al. banks) at low interest, lent to developers et al. at slightly low interest etc... I don't like the situation, but that's it. It's not our (i.e. the general publics') doing but we've voted the mandarins in, we (the government) could have let the banks go but we didn't. The French and Germans are so afraid of quantitative easing (i.e. printing more money) that they're sacrificing us (among others) to save their precious monetary union project.

Chuck Stone

El Siglo wrote: »

. We voted in poor regulators and terrible governance and as things go; "you reap what you sow".

Speak for yourself - I didn't vote any of those bastards in.

We're the tax payers.... we allowed idiots to do this when they signed the guarantee.

People were in shock (see 'The Shock Doctrine'). The figures are so huge people didn't/don't really get it.

If a politician came out and said 'you have been burdened with ~€60,000 of debt' However, we will put this to a referendum. If you want to pay just tick the box which says yes. How many people would vote yes?

None?

This is being done to us not for us.

Future generations will be born into debt, and it is our fault

Again, speak for yourself I accept zero responsibility.

Morality has nothing to do with it, the modern banking system is completely immoral but we've adhered to it for over three hundred years.

What? Doesn't make sense at all.

It's highly immoral to force people to pay for the mistakes of others when they have no responsbility for it whatsoever.

It's a bit like me going down to my neighbour and saying 'I was in the casino last night and I lost a few hundred Euro so... ehh I'm gonna need you to pay that back'.

Where the fuck do you think they (Irish banks) got their money from?

Banks aren't Irish - banks don't have a nationality. The debts are now 'Irish' - but the profits of before?

Our banks borrowed money from their (French/German et al. banks) at low interest, lent to developers et al. at slightly low interest etc... I don't like the situation, but that's it.

Again, speak for yourself - they're not my banks - not my problem that they rack up billions in bad debts - If I have a debt to the bank I'll pay it - I do not want to pay the debts of other people.

It's not our (i.e. the general publics') doing but we've voted the mandarins in, we (the government) could have let the banks go but we didn't.

There you go with that 'we' and 'us' thing again. I didn't vote any of those avaricious bastards in so they don't represent me. I didn't borrow money to speculate on property so why should I pay for people who did?

When your talking about 'us' and 'we' and 'our' when it comes to the massive debts incompetent people racked you've decided to accept the propaganda.

I haven't - nor wont.

hatrickpatrick

sensibleken wrote: »

the fact they are acting like cúnts is nothing to do with lisbon.

It does though. Lisbon is entirely designed to bolster the French and German power within Europe, and WE passed FOR them.

So what I'm suggesting is that they should be f*cking grateful for what we did for them, we could have stuck to our guns and thrown the bloody thing out and it would have been the end of their Euro-domination dreams but we didn't, and I'm saying that a little gratitude is in order.

The fact that we had the opportunity to give them the two fingers and we didn't, and then they turn around and spit in our face instead of thanking us and doing us a favour in return - that's that pisses me off. Passing Lisbon was a favour to them, and they f*cking well shouldn't be trying to screw us now, they should be thanking us unconditionally for not destroying their power trip when we could have.

One good turn deserves another? In Europe, apparently, it's more like one good turn deserves a subsequent stab in the back.

El Siglo

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Speak for yourself - I didn't vote any of those bastards in.

Neither did I, but we (yes and I do mean 'we') have allowed them to take the piss. Alright me or you didn't vote for them and neither did a lot of people but we have allowed them to ruin the country. Any other country and there would be a revolt, but not here, the fact that we're not holding them to account is just as bad as voting for them.

People were in shock (see 'The Shock Doctrine'). The figures are so huge people didn't/don't really get it.

That's the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard, the figures were so high that our tiny pea-sized brains couldn't handle them. Give me a break... People ****ing get it when it means that they are now responsible for those high figures of debt.

If a politician came out and said 'you have been burdened with ~€60,000 of debt' However, we will put this to a referendum. If you want to pay just tick the box which says yes. How many people would vote yes?

None?

This is being done to us not for us.

And we're letting it being done for us through either apathy or intransigence.

Again, speak for yourself I accept zero responsibility.

Indeed and so do I, but I do acknowledge the fact that I haven't tried to rise up or hold my government to account save a general election which is completely disgraceful given how fucked we all are.

What? Doesn't make sense at all.

It's highly immoral to force people to pay for the mistakes of others when they have no responsbility for it whatsoever.

It's a bit like me going down to my neighbour and saying 'I was in the casino last night and I lost a few hundred Euro so... ehh I'm gonna need you to pay that back'.

I was referring to the practice of banks as institutions that lend money and charge interest (i.e. the history of banks). Well we are responsible for it, since we were told how poor the central bank was for taking no action against tax evasion during the 70s to 90s. The DIRT scandal nothing was done to improve the regulation of the banking, we knew all of this and yet the government did nothing to change it. That government voted in with three consecutive elections. Did people demand anything to be done to regulate the banking system then? No, the mandarins didn't care either. The analogy would be like a river being polluted, just because you don't derive direct benefit from the river, does that mean that it should still be polluted?

Banks aren't Irish - banks don't have a nationality. The debts are now 'Irish' - but the profits of before?

Banks aren't Irish, but they operate within a nation state thus their practices reflect the regulation of that state, and in Ireland poor regulation of banks has led to this.

Again, speak for yourself - they're not my banks - not my problem that they rack up billions in bad debts - If I have a debt to the bank I'll pay it - I do not want to pay the debts of other people.

They weren't our banks before, they are now. I know we shouldn't be responsible for their debts but the electorate voted these idiots in, and that's democracy. "In a democracy, people get the government they deserve." And the French and Germans know this all too well.

There you go with that 'we' and 'us' thing again. I didn't vote any of those avaricious bastards in so they don't represent me. I didn't borrow money to speculate on property so why should I pay for people who did?

Again, neither did I do any of those things. However, we're not exactly "storming the parliament buildings" are we to stop this?

When your talking about 'us' and 'we' and 'our' when it comes to the massive debts incompetent people racked you've decided to accept the propaganda.

I haven't - nor wont.

Are all of your opinions based on Indymedia articles? What shite are you talking about? Propaganda my bollocks. I accept the fact that I haven't tried to do anything to stop the government destroying the country, however neither has anyone else.

sensibleken

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

It does though. Lisbon is entirely designed to bolster the French and German power within Europe, and WE passed FOR them.

So what I'm suggesting is that they should be f*cking grateful for what we did for them, we could have stuck to our guns and thrown the bloody thing out and it would have been the end of their Euro-domination dreams but we didn't, and I'm saying that a little gratitude is in order.

The fact that we had the opportunity to give them the two fingers and we didn't, and then they turn around and spit in our face instead of thanking us and doing us a favour in return - that's that pisses me off. Passing Lisbon was a favour to them, and they f*cking well shouldn't be trying to screw us now, they should be thanking us unconditionally for not destroying their power trip when we could have.

One good turn deserves another? In Europe, apparently, it's more like one good turn deserves a subsequent stab in the back.

Its clear you dont understand what lisbon is/was. until you actually educate yourself over the changes that were brought in its pointless discussing it with you.

28064212

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

It does though. Lisbon is entirely designed to bolster the French and German power within Europe, and WE passed FOR them.

What parts of Lisbon do that exactly?

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

So what I'm suggesting is that they should be f*cking grateful for what we did for them, we could have stuck to our guns and thrown the bloody thing out and it would have been the end of their Euro-domination dreams but we didn't, and I'm saying that a little gratitude is in order.

Yeah, cause if we said no to Lisbon, they definitely would never have looked at our corporation tax, that would never have occurred to them. If we had said no to Lisbon, the French would just be twiddling their thumbs wondering what they could do

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

The fact that we had the opportunity to give them the two fingers and we didn't, and then they turn around and spit in our face instead of thanking us and doing us a favour in return - that's that pisses me off. Passing Lisbon was a favour to them, and they f*cking well shouldn't be trying to screw us now, they should be thanking us unconditionally for not destroying their power trip when we could have.

Passing a multi-national agreement that involved 27 countries (one of which was us) was a "favour" to them? F*cking lol

sollar

There was an english woman on morning ireland today saying, that the french have a leflet out proclaiming that they have the lowest CT rate in the EU in order to attract business. All this while trying to squeeze ours. They really are something else.

daveyeh

newballsplease wrote: »

Whats wrong with it? What paper do you reccomend?

Its a rag written by morons for morons. I don't recommend any newspapers, they all are tainted by their agendas.

Chuck Stone

El Siglo wrote: »

Banks aren't Irish, but they operate within a nation state thus their practices reflect the regulation of that state, and in Ireland poor regulation of banks has led to this.

How you make the jump from poor regulation of banks to 'let's' load the debt on people who aren't to blame is testament to your lack of understanding. As I said this is being done to people not for them.

They weren't our banks before, they are now. I know we shouldn't be responsible for their debts but the electorate voted these idiots in, and that's democracy. "In a democracy, people get the government they deserve." And the French and Germans know this all too well.

Bla bla bla ^^^ I accept what's being done to me so should you - we have to take the blame, because, you know, that's democracy .

Well then to hell with democracy if that what it does to people. Democracy is not justification for the whims of the elite - be it war, violence or indentured debt.

Are all of your opinions based on Indymedia articles?

If you take a proper look you'll see that I'm mostly making observations and you are the one giving your (poor) opinion.

What shite are you talking about? Propaganda my bollocks.

Why must you lower the tone? Have I been disrespectful to you?

Here, try to understand this post by Sensibleken below.

sensibleken wrote: »

This disaster came about in an enviroment engineered to be borderless in terms of capital movement. but some heads of state are perfectly happy to throw up borders when someone has to pay the bill

Dionysus

sensibleken wrote: »

If they wanted to control the country they should have landed in 1798

Technically, sensibleken, they (or rather a section of them) did land.

Castlebar Races, anybody?

Dionysus

daveyeh wrote: »

First Henry handballs us out of the world cup, now this!


http://www.examiner.ie/ireland/france-scuppers-hopes-of-cut-in-bailout-interest-rate-154340.html


Why do they do dislike us so?

1. Ireland will get its rate cut. This is a sideshow. The larger picture is whether Ireland can make all the sacrifices necessary to meet these repayments. The "rate cut" is, when all is said and done, more about politicians having a "victory" to bring home to the Irish electorate. Politicians, being politicians, tend to choose causes which are winnable.

2. Socially, politically and economically, successive Irish governments have done their utmost to spurn social inclusiveness and embrace Boston over Berlin, if I can be excused for utilising that cliché. Now that this model has failed, it is natural that the French and Germans are not among our best friends. Irish politicians have moved Ireland away from the EU model, and we are paying for that now. Our representatives should have chosen our future more wisely.

3. While Sarkozy is as much a political opportunist as McCreevy, Ahern or anything else myopic rightwing Ireland could offer, a huge amount of this Irish-EU conflict is being stirred up by - surprise, surprise - the British-owned tabloids in Ireland. Why can't people make the very obvious connection between British euroscepticism, British eurosceptic tabloids and anti-EU sentiment in Ireland? It's a "no-brainer", as the Yanks might say.

4. Irish people are still overwhelmingly pro-EU. This must be said because the voices of those of us who are conscious of how far our state has travelled in the past 40 years are greatly overlooked. If it weren't for the EU, Ireland would be a substantially more backward, anglocentric place. Leaving aside the obvious economic benefits of EEC/EU membership, Irish independence has been hugely advanced psychologically by our membership of the EU. Time and time again my older relatives tell me this. For them, joining the EU has been a huge step on the path towards Irish freedom. It shouldn't take much for people to see why this is so.

Irish people need to get a historic perspective on our relationship with the rest of the EU.

enda1

Ireland should cut its rate to 10%.

Why?

Cause fuck you that's why!

tayto lover

As a protest we should all stop eating French fries and start eating chips. They won't like that.

Dionysus

steddyeddy wrote: »

In fairness at a cermemony commemerating those who fought in ww2 they didnt ask the british people who helped liberate their country do you really care what a country like that thinks?

And given that far more Russians etc died in defeating the Nazis in WWII, it's more than odd that the British (or Americans) give no recognition to this sacrifice in their "commemorations" of WWII.

So, amid the British tabloid inspired anti-French sentiment, the question must be asked: is British nationalist disregard for external assistance OK, but French nationalist disregard for external assistance not OK?

sensibleken

tayto lover wrote: »

As a protest we should all stop eating French fries and start eating chips. They won't like that.

we need to hit him where it hurts (we may have to crouch down quite a lot)

I for one will be boycotting the entire recording career of carla brunei

tayto lover

I think we should send over one of our finest arch criminals to steal their wealth

https://mail.google.com/mail/?hl=en&shva=1#inbox/13076ed8ddf0fe08

enda1

tayto lover wrote: »

I think we should send over one of our finest arch criminals to steal their wealth

https://mail.google.com/mail/?hl=en&shva=1#inbox/13076ed8ddf0fe08

We're going to be needing your username and password to read that I'm afraid.