are you worried about the Queens visit?

Iwasfrozen

caseyann wrote: »

What is a west Brit exactly?
I have seen this thrown around so much of late and truly annoying when people keep calling majority of Dubliners west Brits.:rolleyes:

And no not worried.
What are they going to do stick a bomb in town when people are going about their everyday lives who are Irish and could be possibly related to them?:rolleyes:

They've never been above killing Irish people in the past.

gerryo777

€30 million to police it. Now we see where the priorities really are. Enough said!

caseyann

gerryo777 wrote: »

€30 million to police it. Now we see where the priorities really are. Enough said!

The Garda didnt even like that part either.Half of them are struggling with their own debts as is.
And if another person says tourism will be on up because of these visits i will seriously cry.Another red herring like the Lisbon treaty.

AlekSmart

gurramok wrote: »

What a typical standard reply. Well, have they done their homework to thwart the homegrown hooligans this time?

It seems Gurra,that they may well be a bit more "together" this time around.

Reports that "normal" District court business has been suspended and replaced instead with,what amounts to,24 Hr Court Availability is a major indicator that the "usual suspects" will find the stage has been rearranged somewhat.

As any visitor to the "normal" courts will attest,most of the regulars generally arrange their lives around the various remand or bail applications hearings as well as the "mentions".....for these folks a Court appearance holds no particular threat.

However,much of this lack of impact is down to the arcane procedures which surround Court sittings,with delay and cancellation being high amongst them.

This 24 Hr Court Sitting business will not go down at all well "on the street".

I would be surprised if the Gardai are not watching this particular aspect very closely indeed as to it's effectivity in removing convicted crim's directly off the streets as opposed to the usual oul nonsense of in-out-in-out of the local station with nothing except a mountain of meaningless forms to show for it.

Iwasfrozen

caseyann wrote: »

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

No the sticking of bombs in Dublin killing Irish people was loyalists mo.

And Monaghan, but that's not what I'm talking about. The troubles are chock-a-block with incidents of republican thugs killing Irish people. Ronan Kerr is the most recent example.

caseyann

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

And Monaghan, but that's not what I'm talking about. The troubles are chock-a-block with incidents of republican thugs killing Irish people. Ronan Kerr is the most recent example.

That is a police man how ever wrong,they are not going to stick a bomb in middle of Dublin.So stop scare mongering.

The only thing that might happen is if thugs from loyalist side bent on trouble and thugs from Republican side meet.Then move very quickly.


Wow i hope Dublin city stays standing.:(

gerryo777

Boards.ie = Therapy

Iwasfrozen

caseyann wrote: »

That is a police man how ever wrong,they are not going to stick a bomb in middle of Dublin.So stop scare mongering.

The only thing that might happen is if thugs from loyalist side bent on trouble and thugs from Republican side meet.Then move very quickly.


Wow i hope Dublin city stays standing.:(

That's not that you said, you said they aren't going to kill Irish people. I pointed ou the the IRA is far from above killing their own people when it suits them. And I'm not scare mongering, nothing will happen because these groups have neither the support, means, or (due to increased security) freedom to implement such a scheme.

Well I won't be in Dublin for the day but if two groups of thugs meet it will develop into nothing more then a street brawl. Which is thankfully easily managed by the riot police and will more importantly take place no where near the Queen.

Don't worry, this will be nothing like the love Ulster riot, Dublin will be like nothing has ever happened. Just enjoy it while it lasts, nobody does pagentry like the British and we aren't genetically obliged to hate all things to the east.

conscious

This is just all hype from the media, they have been building this **** up for months and months. Nothing is going to happen to the queen or obama

caseyann

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

That's not that you said, you said they aren't going to kill Irish people. I pointed ou the the IRA is far from above killing their own people when it suits them. And I'm not scare mongering, nothing will happen because these groups have neither the support, means, or (due to increased security) freedom to implement such a scheme.

Well I won't be in Dublin for the day but if two groups of thugs meet it will develop into nothing more then a street brawl. Which is thankfully easily managed by the riot police and will more importantly take place no where near the Queen.

Don't worry, this will be nothing like the love Ulster riot, Dublin will be like nothing has ever happened. Just enjoy it while it lasts, nobody does pagentry like the British and we aren't genetically obliged to hate all things to the east.

You are wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IRA would never ever put Irish lives at risk ever.
Stop associating IRA with the people who are calling themselves that now.
And all people who want to blow up or kill someone in Ireland are well able to exactly like Terrorists who pretend to be doing in name of Islam do and have done.

Why is it important wont take place near Lizzy,her monarchy caused it she should witness it first hand.Who cares if she sees it or not,do you consider her an almighty high being better than everyone else?? lol

I wont be either luckily wont have to see the fakeness of it all and the butt kissing.

later12

caseyann wrote: »

You are wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IRA would never ever put Irish lives at risk ever.

Not only to put lives at risk, but the IRA killed more Catholics (who would very often recognise themselves as Irish) than the other organisations during the troubles respectively. This is a well documented fact, you can find it on the CAIN website.

A series of exclamation marks does not prove anything.

later12

One more note on the royal visit... I think that anybody who takes an interest in Irish affairs must be seriously disheartened by the events of the last six months.

The EU IMF 'bailout' appeared to show the state may not have been cut out to manage its own affairs after all, various reports have shown that Catholicism had far too heavy handed a role in our society, there have been more findings of corruption in politics. And now, that the royal visit has descended into a farce with the only precaution still pending is QE2 being wrapped in bullet proof bubble wrap and transported in a lead shipping container, speaking only through a loudspeaker with her hosts. This has not been the year of demonstrating Irish maturity on a broad level.

MysticalRain

caseyann wrote: »

The Garda didnt even like that part either.Half of them are struggling with their own debts as is.
And if another person says tourism will be on up because of these visits i will seriously cry.Another red herring like the Lisbon treaty.

Are you seriously trying to claim that a heavily in debt garda wouldn't welcome the extra overtime? Or that the net benefit to our tourism industry wouldn't exceed 30m?

The Waltzing Consumer

caseyann wrote: »

You are wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IRA would never ever put Irish lives at risk ever.

:eek: Jesus, that is one demented statement. Not only has a poster pointed out the obvious truth that the PIRA killed more catholics then any other organisation during the troubles, but there are certainly specific incidents which make this statistic even more troubling. Proxy bombs which forced "Irish" to drive bombs to security areas in the North being one example.

Garda Killed in the Line of Duty
Garda Inspector Samuel Donegan - 8th June 1970 - Provisional IRA bombing
Garda Michael Clerkin - 15th October 1976 - Provisional IRA bombing
Detective Garda James Quaid - 13th October 1980 - shot by Provisional IRA
Garda Recruit Gary Sheehan - 16th December 1983 - shot by Provisional IRA
Detective Garda Frank Hand - 10th August 1984 - shot by Provisional IRA
Detective Garda Jerry McCabe - 7th June 1996 - shot by Provisional IRA

There is zero point in white washing history and pretending like a fool, that the IRA would never put Irish lives at risk ever. It is stupid. It is history, so there is zero point saying "I support/don't support PIRA", the only thing you should be doing is saying "what is the truth, what actually happened".

Seriously, what a misguided, completely false statement based on the FACT.

The Waltzing Consumer

later10 wrote: »

The EU IMF 'bailout' appeared to show the state may not have been cut out to manage its own affairs after all, various reports have shown that Catholicism had far too heavy handed a role in our society, there have been more findings of corruption in politics. And now, that the royal visit has descended into a farce with the only precaution still pending is QE2 being wrapped in bullet proof bubble wrap and transported in a lead shipping container, speaking only through a loudspeaker with her hosts. This has not been the year of demonstrating Irish maturity on a broad level.

America, England, Iceland, Greece, Portugal, Spain. All other countries which could easily be accused on not being able to handle its own affairs. That is just from this recession. You know other countries have had recessions too :eek: Wow, amazing, I thought we were the only country to ever have a recession. Shocking stuff.

A religion which represented the vast majority of its citizens had influence. Shocking stuff, we must be the only country who have had that problem. Pity it is a broken record and the actual influence that the church has on government is actually very limited these days and is probably on par with other lobby groups like farmers, if even.

Corruption in politics. Now seriously, the countries of Europe, Americas and Africa must be shocked at us. They have never ever had one corrupt politician ever. :rolleyes: We are certainly the symbol of corruption in politics.

Yes, those crazy Irish, trying to fix the problems that exist and have existed in many countries. With the Arab revolutions this year, Berlusconi and his teenage prostitutes, the earthquake in Japan, and the bizarre importance of Obama's birth cert, Ireland does look very mature in conceding that a portion of its citizens are absolute scum and giving every possible protection to a visiting monarch.

later12

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

America, England, Iceland, Greece, Portugal, Spain. All other countries which could easily be accused on not being able to handle its own affairs. That is just from this recession. You know other countries have had recessions too :eek: Wow, amazing, I thought we were the only country to ever have a recession. Shocking stuff.

A religion which represented the vast majority of its citizens had influence. Shocking stuff, we must be the only country who have had that problem. Pity it is a broken record and the actual influence that the church has on government is actually very limited these days and is probably on par with other lobby groups like farmers, if even.

Corruption in politics. Now seriously, the countries of Europe, Americas and Africa must be shocked at us. They have never ever had one corrupt politician ever. :rolleyes: We are certainly the symbol of corruption in politics.

Yes, those crazy Irish, trying to fix the problems that exist and have existed in many countries. With the Arab revolutions this year, Berlusconi and his teenage prostitutes, the earthquake in Japan, and the bizarre importance of Obama's birth cert, Ireland does look very mature in conceding that a portion of its citizens are absolute scum and giving every possible protection to a visiting monarch.

Well actually I'm talking about those things all coming together in a short space of time, being relics of mismanagement of our own economy and our own society. Also, as opposed to saying that the state certainly cannot manage its own affairs, I am talking specifically about the message that these scandals sent out across the world about Irish self-governance. Naysayers who scoffed at Irish independence might well have had reason to say 'I told you so' looking back on the last 12 months alone. I'm not saying they would be right, but certainly that perception might very easily arise.

The Waltzing Consumer

later10 wrote: »

Well actually I'm talking about those things all coming together in a short space of time, being relics of mismanagement of our own economy and our own society. Also, as opposed to saying that the state certainly cannot manage its own affairs, I am talking specifically about the message that these scandals sent out across the world about Irish self-governance. Naysayers who scoffed at Irish independence might well have had reason to say 'I told you so' looking back on the last 12 months alone. I'm not saying they would be right, but certainly that perception might very easily arise.

Well, I am certainly afraid to meet the man, who is over 100+ years old that scoffed when Ireland got Independence and wants to say "I told you so". I am sure there are many of them about. Come on, bit of a lame point. All of the aspects that you have mentioned exist in some form in nearly every country or have existed. Your statements just sound like ill-informed projecting and self-loathing immaturity.

later12

You're clearly not interested in looking at this objectively, so I'm out.

It's all grand. Nothing to see here. Move along now. Hmm.

Fittle

Hendrixfan wrote: »

http://thestory.ie/2010/06/08/deaths-in-garda-custody/

And your point is WHAT exactly?

caseyann

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

:eek: Jesus, that is one demented statement. Not only has a poster pointed out the obvious truth that the PIRA killed more catholics then any other organisation during the troubles, but there are certainly specific incidents which make this statistic even more troubling. Proxy bombs which forced "Irish" to drive bombs to security areas in the North being one example.

Garda Killed in the Line of Duty
Garda Inspector Samuel Donegan - 8th June 1970 - Provisional IRA bombing
Garda Michael Clerkin - 15th October 1976 - Provisional IRA bombing
Detective Garda James Quaid - 13th October 1980 - shot by Provisional IRA
Garda Recruit Gary Sheehan - 16th December 1983 - shot by Provisional IRA
Detective Garda Frank Hand - 10th August 1984 - shot by Provisional IRA
Detective Garda Jerry McCabe - 7th June 1996 - shot by Provisional IRA

There is zero point in white washing history and pretending like a fool, that the IRA would never put Irish lives at risk ever. It is stupid. It is history, so there is zero point saying "I support/don't support PIRA", the only thing you should be doing is saying "what is the truth, what actually happened".

Seriously, what a misguided, completely false statement based on the FACT.

However wrong all police.
Are you telling me you think they would stick a bomb under loads of Irish civilians in Dublin city and kill them?

later12

caseyann wrote: »

However wrong all police.
Are you telling me you think they would stick a bomb under loads of Irish civilians in Dublin city and kill them?

Like Omagh? Tyrone is a very nationalist area. There is no logic behind any terrorist atrocity, but I will never understand, employing the limited logic of these thugs, why they planted a bomb in Omagh, West Tyrone. Planting a bomb in the heartland of Antrim, although horrific and no less brutal, would at least seem to have supported their supposed logic. Anyway, I shake my head at all of it.

The fact is that the IRA kill and have killed more Catholics (who traditionally would tend to see themselves as Irish) than any other respective group including the UVF and the RUC combined if I remember correctly. They are the enemy within, certainly not an ally to Irishmen and women.

later12

Just to follow on from that, it's slightly interesting (and this comes with a major health warning in terms of the dreaded academic snobbery) that you can go into any reputable university, and find teaching there Keynesians, Austrians, anarchists, right wing catholics, right wing atheists, republicans (in the literal sense), feminists, liberals and conservatives, and never once, to my knowledge - ever - come across those who support IRA activity.

Isn't it funny? The modern extreme nationalist movement, unlike so many other movements, has absolutely no academic support. Its proponents do not don mortarboards, but balaclavas. Just an observation.

Hendrixfan

Fittle wrote: »

And your point is WHAT exactly?

My point is, I'd be worried about more than just the IRA / RIRA, we've all seen what happens when those who are supposed to protect and serve start swinging battons during peacefull protests.

The whole lot should be called off, truth is she aint welcome, millions spent on security with the use of thousands of Gardai, Defence forces, UK police, British Army and banning people from the streets is proof that for the moment she aint welcome.

Sunnyisland

Ozwald wrote: »

Don't talk utter ****e!! My wife was injured in one of their Covent Garden bombs. Moron :mad:

IRA = Knuckle-dragging vermin!!

:mad: And do you think your the only one with pain & suffering:mad: My mothers sister was murdered by the Brave uvf (hi keithAFC) in Dublin along with 25 others on may 17th 1974,Will YOU all be there tomorrow to remember our forgotten ?There are more than 2 sides to that war in the six counties and a lot of you here want to get your rose tinted glasses off.

caseyann

Pineapple stu wrote: »

Dont talk utter bollocks.

What so you think Irish would have prospered in the last 95 years if wasnt for IRA fighting? And what happened up North to Irish was just all fantasy :rolleyes:

lightspeed

later10 wrote: »

Just to follow on from that, it's slightly interesting (and this comes with a major health warning in terms of the dreaded academic snobbery) that you can go into any reputable university, and find teaching there Keynesians, Austrians, anarchists, right wing catholics, right wing atheists, republicans (in the literal sense), feminists, liberals and conservatives, and never once, to my knowledge - ever - come across those who support IRA activity.

Isn't it funny? The modern extreme nationalist movement, unlike so many other movements, has absolutely no academic support. Its proponents do not don mortarboards, but balaclavas. Just an observation.

Yes but look at occupation in other places in the world like The west bank and the Gaza Strip between palestine and Israel and im sure you will hear of support for the struggle of the palestinian people and they will refer to the occupied territories of the west bank and control of the Gaza strip.
Why is the north of ireland different just the media is bias towards british news and media? Why is the north not seen as occupied?
Im 24 years old and was not able to vote on the good friday agreement as i understand it gave the republic the chance to vote whether or not we should have claim to the north. We have had to referendums on abortion if im not mistaken and two referendums on the lisbon treaty and yet there has never been another referendum like the Good Friday Agreement?
I would never agree with violence towards civilians or bombs of any kind that endanger innocent lives but i dont think i can ever accept to have any of my island country to be ruled by a foreign empire. I just cant and there will always be people like me and people using violence as a means to achieve a united Ireland under one government and i believe this visit is going to remind everyone of that fact. My great grandchildrens generation will still feel their country is occupied and violence is nessecery so the good friday agreement was nothing more than a piece of paper which i assume was signed on a Friday. Im certainly not a member of the Ira or know of anyone that is but its ridiculous to not see how they will never truly be defeated. I also think that when those that chose to give up their arms and attempt to achieve a united Ireland through political means fail to do so they will just revert back to an armed campaign and the conflict will continue. The Good Friday Agreement was not a treaty but a ceasefire meaning on that day both sides agreed to an intermisson. That intermission will some day end and the conflict will resume and that may be on Tuesday if this imperial visit does not run smoothly.

Knight990

It's amazing how far off the point this thread seems to have gone.

The Queen will arrive, there will be pomp and ceremony, a lot of hand shaking and smiling. She'll go on her little tour, be greeted by friendly Irish people who will (among other things) stage a concert for her and showcase a lot of Irish design, etc.

She'll say a few words in Croker and at other places I would imagine, then she'll wave goodbye, Enda and McAleese will wave back and she'll be gone back to Britain.

There'll be some boisterous protest in Dublin and elsewhere, but it will mostly be calm and ordered. Anyone that tries to disturb the peace of this state visit (as with any state visit anywhere else in the world) will be dealt with using legal process.

As much fun as it might be to keyboard warrior on these forums about whether its right or wrong, that is how it will happen as far as I can tell. She'll arrive, chat, walk around, and go. Yes, it cost a lot, but its already been spent. No-one can change that.

The calm, intelligent people always outnumber the slow-witted thugs who would want to turn this visit into more than what it is. So it'll be fine, if a little inconvenient for those travelling around Dublin, etc.

Clareboy

No, I am not worried about the Queen's visit. Why can we not just celebrate and enjoy the visit of Her Majesty and HRH The Duke of Edinburgh. I will be wishing the Royal couple a ' Cead Mile Failte'.

later12

lightspeed wrote: »

Yes but look at occupation in other places in the world like The west bank and the Gaza Strip between palestine and Israel and im sure you will hear of support for the struggle of the palestinian people and they will refer to the occupied territories of the west bank and control of the Gaza strip.
Why is the north of ireland different just the media is bias towards british news and media? Why is the north not seen as occupied?

Largely because of powersharing, and because that powersharing appears to broadly represent the people, unlike its predecessor and unlike similar systems elsewhere. It's hard to consider a state occupied when that state votes to accept its situation and engages in the political process.

Has it ever occured to you that there may be a reason why you can go into any university just about anywhere and find thinkers who are sympathetic to Israeli side and to the Palestinian side even where that extends to violence, and you would be extremely hard pressed to find any academic of repute who would ever support the activity of the IRA, either in its current form or in the form of its more immediate predecessors? Do you not think it is possible that there just isn't any academic, ethical nor philosophical merit to their activities?

there has never been another referendum like the Good Friday Agreement?

Does anybody really question the last one? seriously? It was pretty recent, to be fair. Having said that, I'm not opposed to reiterating it if it would silence the critics.

Dudess

Yes, very. Because of the violent wack-jobs it will bring out of the woodwork and because of the shame they'll cause us. Not that ordinary folk should feel ashamed just because they're Irish, but we will... I'm sure security will be top notch, but I'd also wager the twats will manage to leave their mark somehow.

realies wrote: »

:mad: And do you think your the only one with pain & suffering:mad: My mothers sister was murdered by the Brave uvf (hi keithAFC) in Dublin along with 25 others on may 17th 1974,Will YOU all be there tomorrow to remember our forgotten ?There are more than 2 sides to that war in the six counties and a lot of you here want to get your rose tinted glasses off.

To be fair, just because a person makes mention of one side, doesn't mean they're not acknowledging there are two.
A person should be able to express their horror at e.g. Enniskillen without it being pointed out to them that e.g. the Miami Showband massacre was as bad, and vice versa. All were equally horrific and despicable - it should go without saying.

KeithAFC

realies wrote: »

:mad: And do you think your the only one with pain & suffering:mad: My mothers sister was murdered by the Brave uvf (hi keithAFC) in Dublin along with 25 others on may 17th 1974,Will YOU all be there tomorrow to remember our forgotten ?There are more than 2 sides to that war in the six counties and a lot of you here want to get your rose tinted glasses off.

Sorry for your lose. It was a disgrace.

gurramok

later10 wrote: »

Has it ever occured to you that there may be a reason why you can go into any university just about anywhere and find thinkers who are sympathetic to Israeli side and to the Palestinian side even where that extends to violence, and you would be extremely hard pressed to find any academic of repute who would ever support the activity of the IRA, either in its current form or in the form of its more immediate predecessors? Do you not think it is possible that there just isn't any academic, ethical nor philosophical merit to their activities?
Does anybody really question the last one? seriously? It was pretty recent, to be fair. Having said that, I'm not opposed to reiterating it if it would silence the critics.

Yes, there is up north on both sides as they as residents who obviously have a more nationalistic interest in politics that those down here for example. They experience a divided society daily, we do not.

Predator_

Knight990 wrote: »

It's amazing how far off the point this thread seems to have gone.

The Queen will arrive, there will be pomp and ceremony, a lot of hand shaking and smiling. She'll go on her little tour, be greeted by friendly Irish people who will (among other things) stage a concert for her and showcase a lot of Irish design, etc.

She'll say a few words in Croker and at other places I would imagine, then she'll wave goodbye, Enda and McAleese will wave back and she'll be gone back to Britain.

There'll be some boisterous protest in Dublin and elsewhere, but it will mostly be calm and ordered. Anyone that tries to disturb the peace of this state visit (as with any state visit anywhere else in the world) will be dealt with using legal process.

As much fun as it might be to keyboard warrior on these forums about whether its right or wrong, that is how it will happen as far as I can tell. She'll arrive, chat, walk around, and go. Yes, it cost a lot, but its already been spent. No-one can change that.

The calm, intelligent people always outnumber the slow-witted thugs who would want to turn this visit into more than what it is. So it'll be fine, if a little inconvenient for those travelling around Dublin, etc.

thugs?! Usual name calling from the foreign traitors.

Sunnyisland

Dudess wrote: »

To be fair, just because a person makes mention of one side, doesn't mean they're not acknowledging there are two.
A person should be able to express their horror at e.g. Enniskillen without it being pointed out to them that e.g. the Miami Showband massacre was as bad, and vice versa. All were equally horrific and despicable - it should go without saying.

Well in my opinion it doesn't go without saying as it is always republican violence that is being criticised here,And when anyone mentions loyalist/British army etc there classed as Ira supporters.A bit of more equal criticism will go along way here,it wasn't a one sided street.

Knight990

Predator_ wrote: »

thugs?! Usual name calling from the foreign traitors.

No...just..No Let me know when you're ready to come to the 21st Century.

Newbie_2009

The addition of former members of the UDA to this spectacle is a worrying developement no doubt at the delusional request of Mrs. McAleese who it would appear has lost the plot. This adds a totally unneeded dimension to the whole thing. This will probably descend into something similar to the love ulster debacle under the spotlight of the world media.

pjmn

Haven't read this whole thread, but a few quick questions/observations...

1. Did someone invite her, or did she just fancy a trip across the water?
2. She's almost 60 years on the throne and never botherered her arse to come here before, so why now?
3. I wish her no harm - but I think she's creating an event where there is a strong possibility that someone will try to have a pop at her...
4. We've survived this long without her calling to visit - I could easily survive without her calling - think she should stay at home....

Knight990

pjmn wrote: »

Haven't read this whole thread, but a few quick questions/observations...

1. Did someone invite her, or did she just fancy a trip across the water?
2. She's almost 60 years on the throne and never botherered her arse to come here before, so why now?
3. I wish her no harm - but I think she's creating an event where there is a strong possibility that someone will try to have a pop at her...
4. We've survived this long without her calling to visit - I could easily survive without her calling - think she should stay at home....

She was invited by President McAleese for an official State Visit.

Iwasfrozen

pjmn wrote: »

Haven't read this whole thread, but a few quick questions/observations...

1. Did someone invite her, or did she just fancy a trip across the water?
2. She's almost 60 years on the throne and never botherered her arse to come here before, so why now?
3. I wish her no harm - but I think she's creating an event where there is a strong possibility that someone will try to have a pop at her...
4. We've survived this long without her calling to visit - I could easily survive without her calling - think she should stay at home....

1. She was invited by the Irish president.
2. She's wanted to come for years but the invitation was never given. That's why she wants to come now, according to a statement given to the indo she's afraid in a few years time she'll be to frail to visit.
3. We know the dangers, that's why there's so much security in Dublin at the moment.
4. Being able to survive without doing something is not a reason not to do it. We could survive without staging the eurovision but I have just spent an enjoyable few hours watching it from begining to end.

Seanchai

nordydan wrote: »

As a northern "republican" (truer sense) living in Dublin (not of the obese Derry dissident lunatic variety!), I hope that the visit of Queen Elizabeth passes off peacefully, as per any other head of state. This should be a no brainer to anyone who believes in a peaceful society in their own country.

That being said I would like to make a few points:

• Most people from the Republic (greater Dublin region anyway) are little more than West Brits these days anyway. They support English soccer teams and watch UK TV shows. They get excited when an Irish act gets 5 minutes of attention "across the water", and get pissed off when the cannot vote on UK gameshows. If you saw Premier Soccer Sunday a few weeks ago (Irish people referring to Stoke City as "we") you would understand. Look at the attention that Mary Byrne, Brian Dowling etc get just because they got the brief nod of approval from the English!
• This is not the Queen's first visit to Ireland, she has been to the island many times before. Any true (32 county) republican would not be making a big deal about this visit compared to any others she has made.
• Queen Elizabeth lost her "uncle" to an IRA man in 1979, she should have more trepidation about the visit than anyone else. She should be given some credit for coming over. My father met her in Belfast before, she is a pleasant woman (I believe the husband is a bit of a prick though). We have had worse heads of state visit Dublin us in the past
• England does not occupy the North of Ireland, they would be gone in a flash if they could exit peacefully. Even Margaret Thatcher looked into the option! Go down to Kent and ask an Englishman what he thinks of having to pay for NI and you'll get your answer
• Talk of 800 years of oppresion is also nonsense. The Republic in general gave up on nationalism in the 1920's. Talk of a United Ireland was again barstoolerism, great in theory but not worth putting down the pint for. Sometimes northern nationalists get annoyed about being abandoned by the "26" into the northern state. I reminded them that since the people of the ROI couldn't even protect thousands of their own children from being systematically raped by the Catholic church, they were hardly going to look out for the interests of those across the border
• This idea about maturing as a nation is also pure BS. At least the Republic votes for its own head of state, unlike GB (although their choice should be respected, the British royal family are hardly despots like say Saudi Arabia). Self-loathing Sindo journalism at its worst

I hope she enjoyed her time in Dublin, Cork & Tipperary. Ireland is a great country for tourism.
I hope she is made welcome, and I am sure she will be.

Its been a long time since England was the main cause for our problems (north & south). Our problems lie with the cartel of corrupt ("Republican!") politicians, bankers and other assorted Dublin 4 parasites who feeds off the decent people of this country like parasites. Our enemies lie within, and are homegrown.

:cool:

I agree with almost everything there, particularly about the followers of British soccer/reality tv etc who then claim to be "republican". However, you are fundamentally mistaken if you think the British state "would be gone if it could exit peacefully". This is the same British state which year-in-year-out subsidises the small remnant of its Irish state to the tune of billions each and every year. If they were serious about not being interested in staying here, they'd show it by actions, such as ending this massive financial incentive to unionists to declare themselves to be "British". Follow the money, always.

Boskowski

Worried a little as the fallout even from a failed attempt at her by some nutbags or even some riot like protests would be far worse than the positives from on all rosy successful visit.

Predator_

Hopefully there will be loud and noisy protests that involve many Irish patriots. While the fake Irish wave their Union Jacks.

Fittle

Hendrixfan wrote: »

The whole lot should be called off, truth is she aint welcome, .

Wrong. She ain't welcome by you. Just because you say it's the truth, does not mean it is in fact, the truth.

bmaxi

Predator_ wrote: »

Hopefully there will be loud and noisy protests that involve many Irish patriots. While the fake Irish wave their Union Jacks.

Will you jump up and down and stamp your feet if they don't?

Fittle

On the same topic, there's a woman on my FB page - she's my sis-in-laws sister. A very 'normal' woman, with two young children, works in the local supermarket etc. And she has been harping on about this visit for weeks now. I'm very embarrassed by her most recent antics - all of last week, she was posting various 'Rebel Songs' and 'sharing' a poster of the queen with a large red X through her face. I've 'hidden' her on my own page....
However, I have yet to speak to one person who is against this visit. Most are 'Meh' and are more concerned about how it will restrict their daily commute to work than anything else. And others are very supportive of the visit (while not neccesarily being fans of the queen/monarchy themselves) and feel it can only be a good thing, which is my own view.

blinding

I believe that there is talk of the Queen meeting some UDA leaders. This is an intersting developement if it happens.

The British will be acknowledging that they had their terrorists and their adversaries had theirs. It shows a maturity on the behalf of the British that they are now willing to acknowledge their own use of terrorism to influence the political situation.

An admission of complicity by the British establishment in the Monaghan/Dublin bombings would also be welcome at this time.

Bens

Sure shes a lovely woman. I have no problem with her visiting.

Captain Pillowcase

She should not be coming now, bit stupid to extend the invitation now when lets face it, we are up the sh1tter and can't afford the visit from her and Obama the E30 million would have been better spent in many areas like the medical system, education etc. They should have invited her before now if they were that keen to get a visit but I don't wish her any harm though,(just thought I would highlight this as I bear no ill will) I hope she has a lovely time and has a bit of craic.
More peeved about the closures on the N4, N7 and M50 and the searches and disruption. Lots of people annoyed about the closure of the Zoo!
Living in Dublin and trying to work with be a nightmare.
Oh and Edna on Sky News........hmmmm

Bullseye1

Is she really that dangerous. Maybe i should pull the blinds and remain indoors for those four days.

Captain Pillowcase

Now you are going to board up the windows first yeah? The blinds wont be able to keep out the danger alone!