are you worried about the Queens visit?

West Brit

I thought the balloon release was a nice celebratory gesture.
There was to be fireworks too but some fecking idiot left them on the bus...

POINTBREAK

POINTBREAK wrote: »

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Yes we are "extremely occupied"............. by Santa Claus.
Our own government, free healthcare and £8 billion a year subsidy. Stop trying to liberate us into poverty please.

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One more time.

Hendrixfan

Proud day alright http://twitpic.com/4ywte4

KeithAFC

LaBaguette wrote: »

Speaking of symbols, what would you think gardaí do with tricolours ? : http://twitpic.com/4ywte4

In a van?

Happyman42

double post sorry

Happyman42

junder wrote: »

'Brits out of ireland' while wearing a British football top, irony anybody?

I wish people would realise that 'Brits out' refers to British Rule......football refers to a football game. You can reject one and embrace the other.
I love British culture and have countless British friends but I object to their governments and monarchy's various occupations and colonisations. I see no contradiction whatsoever in that and neither do my friends and acquaintances.
Hope that is cleared up and we don't have to suffer any more inane and pointless comments about 'irony'

Dyr

Hendrixfan wrote: »

Proud day alright http://twitpic.com/4ywte4

It would never have happened in the states in the first place, but if an american copper did that with their flag, they'd be looking for a new job.

KeithAFC

I wish they would stop mentioning the The Dublin and Monaghan bombings during this visit. You need to go back into history to look at the context of that. It was seen as an attempt by the UVF to hit back for what happened during Bloody Friday and what happened up until that bombing.

If the Irish taoiseach was in N.I during the anniversary of say Bloody Friday, he would be welcomed and not much would be said about it. I think some people need to look to move on from that.

POINTBREAK

Bambi wrote: »

It would never have happened in the states in the first place, but if an american copper did that with their flag, they'd be looking for a new job.

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Just wondering did they confiscate the flags from protesters or did the protesters just dump them?

femur61

Looking at the news just now most of the protesters weren't out of nappies during the troubles, and why aren't they are work? I'm pigeon holing I'd say none of them would have qualified to get into college, if they were British they'd be in the BNP.

LaBaguette

Mostly they were thrown at the gardaí.

(and it's a trash van)

Deise Tom

junder wrote: »

'Brits out of ireland' while wearing a British football top, irony anybody?

Celtic is an Irish Club playing in Scotland. People wearing a shirt of the team they support is a stupid argument anyway.

Wolfe Tone

femur61 wrote: »

Looking at the news just now most of the protesters weren't out of nappies during the troubles, and why aren't they are work? I'm pigeon holing I'd say none of them would have qualified to get into college, if they were British they'd be in the BNP.

That makes sense seen as the groups are all socialist... Come on

Hendrixfan

Bambi wrote: »

It would never have happened in the states in the first place, but if an american copper did that with their flag, they'd be looking for a new job.

If only that would happen here. Seems the Government will only allow people to be Irish when it suits them. Next time Ireland plays in the World Cup I'd like to see Irish flags confiscated and binned, its only fair.

A Dub in Glasgo

KeithAFC wrote: »

I wish they would stop mentioning the The Dublin and Monaghan bombings during this visit. You need to go back into history to look at the context of that.

Better not mention the alleged British state link to it as well otherwise the Queen might be a tad embarrassed

JustinDee

Deise Tom wrote: »

Celtic is an Irish Club playing in Scotland. People wearing a shirt of the team they support is a stupid argument anyway.

Its a Scottish club founded by Irish ex-pats, populated by foreign players and hijacked by many on sectarian grounds. Wholly different. Its about as Irish as North Melbourne AFL team or Marist Brothers rugby in Brisbane.

KeithAFC

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Better not mention the alleged British state link to it as well otherwise the Queen might be a tad embarrassed

Didn't happen. I have 100% confidence that was done by the UVF and UVF alone.

caseyann

KeithAFC wrote: »

Didn't happen. I have 100% confidence that was done by the UVF and UVF alone.

You hope so,i would hope so aswell.Would be one hello of a skeleton in closet of Britain if they had anything to do with that.
So they would want to get their skates on and open them files pronto as the calls have been made by the families of those who died.

murphaph

It's only a fcukin flag. :rolleyes:

Nationalism (be it British, Irish, German or whatever) is really cringeworthy.

The flags became rubbish once the Eirigi gimps and associated hangers-on let them hit the floor or threw them at the guards. Pretty much all flags eventually end up being destroyed, with the exception of flags of particular historic significance, get over it!

Bottle_of_Smoke

KeithAFC wrote: »

Didn't happen. I have 100% confidence that was done by the UVF and UVF alone.

Pity your prime minister isn't that confident as he would then release the files held on it.

You're also the first one I've ever heard claim it was a response to Bloody Friday which isn't surprising considering it happened almost 2 years afterwards.

KeithAFC

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Pity your prime minister isn't that confident as he would then release the files held on it.

You're also the first one I've ever heard claim it was a response to Bloody Friday which isn't surprising considering it happened almost 2 years afterwards.

David Ervine basically said the same thing himself. It was the return of the serve is his words. I also said what happened leading up to it too.

Bottle_of_Smoke

KeithAFC wrote: »

David Ervine basically said the same thing himself. It was the return of the serve is his words. I also said what happened leading up to it too.

Though IRA violence continued for another 2 decades yet no more loyalist bombings in Dublin aside from one failed attempt on a Sinn Fein function.

Why do you think the British government refuses to hand over the files relating to it if it was UVF acting alone?

KeithAFC

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Though IRA violence continued for another 2 decades yet no more loyalist bombings in Dublin aside from one failed attempt on a Sinn Fein function.

Why do you think the British government refuses to hand over the files relating to it if it was UVF acting alone?

Don't know. Why do America not show the Bin Laden photos? Don't mean it is what some people think. Could be many reasons for it.

Subpopulus

From RTE:

1202 No protesters have turned up for the Republican Sinn Féin demonstration which was planned for the church at St Mary's Place in Dublin at midday this morning.

The only people who arrived were four journalists in response to a press release issued by the organisation.

Tis reassuring to know that the spirit of 1916 is still live and well among the Sons and Daughters of Hibernia.

KeithAFC

Subpopulus wrote: »

From RTE:



Tis reassuring to know that the spirit of 1916 is still live and well among the Sons and Daughters of Hibernia.

Wtf. That is bad. It seems all these protests have been an uber fail as they say.

Subpopulus

KeithAFC wrote: »

Wtf. That is bad. It seems all these protests have been an uber fail as they say.

It seems that the RSF later joined in with the 32 County Sovereignty Movement's scarf clad gurriers at the head of North Frederick Street. The protest were a bit of a damp squib, more to do with attacking the Garda Siochana than protesting the Queen's visit. The 32CSM carried a large banner that read: END GARDA BRUTALITY: What do you expect from a pig but a grunt?

In a classic act of forgiveness and reconciliation they then went and launched fireworks and bricks at unarmed guards.

positron

wnolan1992 wrote: »

I'm sorry, but have you ever heard of Bunreacht na hEireann? Article 40.4.1? "No citizen shall be deprived of his personal liberty save in accordance with law."

Or Article 40.6.1.ii? "The right of the citizens to assemble peaceably and without arms."

If and only if protesters cause trouble, they should be thrown in the back of Garda van and hauled to the nearest station and charged. Just because you don't agree with their views doesn't mean you can just round them all up and throw them in the back of a truck.

You are right, yet, there's also the truth behind any civilised society that with freedom comes responsibility. It's irresponsible to tarnish the image of the nation exactly when we need it most, and when the majority obviously want to welcome the world leaders. They are ruining it for everyone, they are wasting mine and other's tax money (that the majority elected government has decided to spend etc etc). If they can't shoulder their share of social responsibility, they don't deserve their rights, imho!

timmywex

Deise Tom wrote: »

Who is paying for the 11 D car/landrover that the queen is been driven around in. Was it bought especially for her visit.

Its actually an english car with irish plates stuck on. If you see a picture of it you'll notice the british tax disc on the front!

Sand

From RTE:

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1202 No protesters have turned up for the Republican Sinn Féin demonstration which was planned for the church at St Mary's Place in Dublin at midday this morning.

The only people who arrived were four journalists in response to a press release issued by the organisation.
Tis reassuring to know that the spirit of 1916 is still live and well among the Sons and Daughters of Hibernia.

LAWL. And they wonder why no one takes them seriously.

More seriously, I am glad that the Queen was able to lay a wreath at the Garden of Remberance.

Firstly, because the various "rent-a-mob" types swore theyd prevent her from doing so and they failed. Their failure underlined that Irelands people, through its elected government, decides who is invited to Ireland and who is not and their wishes wont be sabotaged by tiny, unrepresentative groups who - as demonstrated above - cant organise a piss up in a brewery. Its a testament to Irelands credentials as a mature state that a bunch of half wits cant subvert the Irish people.

Secondly, because I think its a genuinely decent gesture. The Garden of Rememberance commemorates the Irish dead of the War of Independance (and other wars for Irish freedom). The Irish dead in the WoI would have been considered terrorists and rebels by the British government of the era. By laying a wreath in the memory of men who fought against British forces, the Queen is acknowledging the legitimacy of their war, signalling the distance both countries have travelled since those days. And if anyone underestimates the distance (for example by dwelling on the coincidental anniversary of the Dublin/Monaghan bombings), consider that her husband's uncle was murdered by men who claimed to be continuing that struggle.

Of course, for some (those least confident in Irelands status as an independant nation), its been the same old thing since 1916 as the song goes, but from my point of view I consider it a very decent gesture which can only help reinforce the fact that Ireland and Britain are close neighbours and partners in Europe, now and in the future.

Happyman42

Sand wrote: »

LAWL. And they wonder why no one takes them seriously.

More seriously, I am glad that the Queen was able to lay a wreath at the Garden of Remberance.

Firstly, because the various "rent-a-mob" types swore theyd prevent her from doing so and they failed. Their failure underlined that Irelands people, through its elected government, decides who is invited to Ireland and who is not and their wishes wont be sabotaged by tiny, unrepresentative groups who - as demonstrated above - cant organise a piss up in a brewery. Its a testament to Irelands credentials as a mature state that a bunch of half wits cant subvert the Irish people.

Secondly, because I think its a genuinely decent gesture. The Garden of Rememberance commemorates the Irish dead of the War of Independance (and other wars for Irish freedom). The Irish dead in the WoI would have been considered terrorists and rebels by the British government of the era. By laying a wreath in the memory of men who fought against British forces, the Queen is acknowledging the legitimacy of their war, signalling the distance both countries have travelled since those days. And if anyone underestimates the distance (for example by dwelling on the coincidental anniversary of the Dublin/Monaghan bombings), consider that her husband's uncle was murdered by men who claimed to be continuing that struggle.

Of course, for some (those least confident in Irelands status as an independant nation), its been the same old thing since 1916 as the song goes, but from my point of view I consider it a very decent gesture which can only help reinforce the fact that Ireland and Britain are close neighbours and partners in Europe, now and in the future.

What about a gesture of full and frank disclosure of all information pertaining to Crown Forces crimes committed in this Sovereign state? Information that was requested by democratically elected offices of this Republic.
I find it amazing that people can gloss over this diplomatic arrogance in their enthusiasm to welcome this figurehead of imperialism.