What to spend average public service retirement gratuity on - 2 new apartments?

tayto lover

Evelyn Fat Spyglass wrote: »

What if they're not working hard though? I have a cousin who works in a hospital as part of the administration staff. He has seen plenty of people constantly getting promoted up through the ranks just so they can be got rid of from that particular department, because they don't do a stroke of work. IMO the public service system in Ireland is a shambles.

Well if thats whats happening in his part of it then that part is in a shambles. How do you know about the rest of it though ?

Biggins

Elise Tight Snorer wrote: »

Pifft, idiot - one can't board one's servants in one's own quarters :mad:

LOL True! :pac:
One begs one others forgiveness for such frightful forgetfulness.

gigino

tayto lover wrote: »

Well if thats whats happening in his part of it then that part is in a shambles. How do you know about the rest of it though ?

most of us have some siblings, and/or friends, neighbours, old classmates, sports buddies etc who are also in the public service ...thats how we know about the rest of it

johnthemull

most of us have some siblings, and/or friends, neighbours, old classmates, sports buddies etc who are also in the public service

Have you not reported them to the gestapo yet?

gigino

johnthemull wrote: »

Have you not reported them to the gestapo yet?

dunno what you are talking about ....the Gardai, revenue commissioners cannot be compared to the Gestapo.

johnthemull

gigino wrote: »

dunno what you are talking about ....the Gardai, revenue commissioners cannot be compared to the Gestapo.

Guess you dont do sarcasm in the private sector

arybvtcw0eolkf

gigino wrote: »

dunno what you are talking about ....the Gardai, revenue commissioners cannot be compared to the Gestapo.

I've just had a browse through your other posts, your just a little man full of hatred aren't you?.

Have you failed at everything in your hate filled miserable little life?.

Whats made you like this, full of crap & hatred?.

Vizzy

Elise Tight Snorer wrote: »

I've just had a browse through your other posts, your just a little man full of hatred aren't you?.

Have you failed at everything in your hate filled miserable little life?.

Whats made you like this, full of crap & hatred?.

Leave her alone - she's only 12

johnthemull

Elise Tight Snorer wrote: »

I've just had a browse through your other posts, your just a little man full of hatred aren't you?.

Have you failed at everything in your hate filled miserable little life?.

Whats made you like this, full of crap & hatred?.

Who was that addressed to?
Check out the meaning of the word "moderator"
WTF?

Vizzy

johnthemull wrote: »

Who was that addressed to?
Check out the meaning of the word "moderator"
WTF?

I would suspect that it wasn't directed at you but at the guy who thanked your post.

Biggins

johnthemull wrote: »

Who was that addressed to?
Check out the meaning of the word "moderator"
WTF?

ALL mods are equally entitled to their opinion.
They don't lose that ability when they become mods.
They are entitled to say what their opinion is too.

The relative still freedom we have of posting here on boards.ie is a double edged sword!
It applies to all. Makikomi stated his opinion.
...And to be honest - I agree with him for the record.

gigino

I expected better from a moderator.

johnthemull

Pretty bad post for a moderator. How do you complain about this?
Completely insane to have a guy like that censoring forums

Biggins

gigino wrote: »

I expected better from a moderator.

We expect better quality threads too - sadly reading yours yet again, we don't get it.
Life is full of disappointments.
Acceptance of that is the first stage in life.

arybvtcw0eolkf

johnthemull wrote: »

Pretty bad post for a moderator. How do you complain about this?
Completely insane to have a guy like that censoring forums

Report my post.

Complain to an After Hours moderator.

Complain to a CMod if that doesn't work.

Follow the complaints procedure outlined in a feedback thread.

Complain to all those people, but don't complain to me because I won't give a rats arse.

hondasam

gigino wrote: »

I expected better from a moderator.

johnthemull wrote: »

Pretty bad post for a moderator. How do you complain about this?
Completely insane to have a guy like that censoring forums

moderators are just the same as everyone else, entitled to their opinion.

report button on the left under your name.

johnthemull

I have a life so I wont bother. You need help though. Go get it.

Biggins

johnthemull wrote: »

I have a life so I wont bother. You need help though. Go get it.

Well thats an opinion too about someone. See, it works both ways.

johnthemull

Biggins wrote: »

Well thats an opinion too about someone. See, it works both ways.

Who asked you mate?

Biggins

johnthemull wrote: »

Who asked you mate?

:pac:

Ouch, you hurt my feelings. :pac:

Never mind, I still love you. Pass the lube.

johnthemull

Biggins wrote: »

:pac:

Ouch, you hurt my feelings. :pac:

Never mind, I still love you. Pass the lube.

Wit of the highest order indeed.

Biggins

johnthemull wrote: »

Wit of the highest order indeed.

Thank very much. Much appreciated. Good health.

MagicSean

gigino wrote: »

most of us have some siblings, and/or friends, neighbours, old classmates, sports buddies etc who are also in the public service ...thats how we know about the rest of it

You oftne claim to be inthe public service yourself don't you? Or is that only in some threads?

johnthemull wrote: »

Who was that addressed to?
Check out the meaning of the word "moderator"
WTF?

Most likely adressed to the person he quoted

johnthemull wrote: »

Wit of the highest order indeed.

If you're gonna get annoyed and insulted so easily maybe you should take a break from the internet and meditate or something.

gigino

The moderator made a very personal attack on someone.

Mods were supposed to encourage people to go for the ball, not attack the player in a very personal way by posting "
"I've just had a browse through your other posts, your just a little man full of hatred aren't you?.

Have you failed at everything in your hate filled miserable little life?.

Whats made you like this, full of crap & hatred?."

Biggins

gigino wrote: »

The moderator made a very personal attack on someone.

Mods were supposed to encourage people to go for the ball, not attack the player in a very personal way by posting "
"I've just had a browse through your other posts, your just a little man full of hatred aren't you?.

Have you failed at everything in your hate filled miserable little life?.

Whats made you like this, full of crap & hatred?."

Hit the report button.
Await adjudication.

I cannot speak for the other mods but I think you will find, his opinion has just as much entitlement to be expressed as yours.
You could say his post are full of crap etc. He said similar of yours and gave reason for his opinion.

I find it ironic too that you say some/folk/mods should aim for the ball - when its been pointed out in this thread previously that you yourself are lashing out again at the wrong folk while unleashing your latest misdirected rant yet once more.

I'm assuming that a lot of public servants frequenting here, take your broad wrong lashing out across a public forum, your slighting and insinuations of them, very personal too.

hatrickpatrick

I'd rather this money be given to Irish people to spend, than given to banks to pay for private gambling debts which should never have been even remotely involved in the government's money at all, ever.

Vizzy

gigino wrote: »

The moderator made a very personal attack on someone.

Mods were supposed to encourage people to go for the ball, not attack the player in a very personal way by posting "
"I've just had a browse through your other posts, your just a little man full of hatred aren't you?.

Have you failed at everything in your hate filled miserable little life?.

Whats made you like this, full of crap & hatred?."

It took a while for the penny to drop,didn't it Gigino ?

johnthemull

Perhaps our genius moderator might put everyone out of their misery and state who the attack was against and most importantly what about why?

Nodin

gigino wrote: »

The moderator made a very personal attack on someone.

Mods were supposed to encourage people to go for the ball, not attack the player in a very personal way by posting "
"I've just had a browse through your other posts, your just a little man full of hatred aren't you?.

Have you failed at everything in your hate filled miserable little life?.

Whats made you like this, full of crap & hatred?."

I'd say he was calling it like it is, meself.

sollar

johnthemull wrote: »

Pretty bad post for a moderator. How do you complain about this?
Completely insane to have a guy like that censoring forums

That guy has been trolling his rubbish over in economy forum day in and day out for months/years, he has 2 other names he uses one going back a couple of years, almost every post on the public service. Its beyond a joke at this stage.

What really took the biscuit was after getting banned from irish ecomony for going on and on about this 2 appartments nonsense he then comes over to AH to repeat the same thing.

Praetorian Saighdiuir

johnthemull wrote: »

Perhaps our genius moderator might put everyone out of their misery and state who the attack was against and most importantly what about why?

Go back and check post #58.

You are making an idiot of yourself. The Mod CLEARLY quotes another poster....not you ya genius.

So stop picking an internet fight where there is no call for one.

Vizzy

Elise Tight Snorer wrote: »

I've just had a browse through your other posts, your just a little man full of hatred aren't you?.

Have you failed at everything in your hate filled miserable little life?.

Whats made you like this, full of crap & hatred?.

Vizzy wrote: »

I would suspect that it wasn't directed at you but at the guy who thanked your post.

As stated here the origional the post was aimed at Gigino(see post 58)

johnthemull wrote: »

Perhaps our genius moderator might put everyone out of their misery and state who the attack was against and most importantly what about why?

I think that ye just got off on the wrong foot:)

Micky Dolenz

Elise Tight Snorer wrote: »

I've just had a browse through your other posts, your just a little man full of hatred aren't you?.

Have you failed at everything in your hate filled miserable little life?.

Whats made you like this, full of crap & hatred?.

Don't post in this thread again.

Micky Dolenz

Get back on topic and quit the sniping.

InReality

shar01 wrote: »

Formula for lump sum:
Salary x service x 3 / 80

To qualify for full benefits, one must have 40 years service.

Anyone who works in any job for 40 years deserves decent benefits.

and PS pensioners do not get the OAP.

Which makes quite a difference.

true

The public service pension is enough of an old age pension wthout the OAP as well. No such thing as a free lunch.

And should the country be borrowing to pay all these lump sums to retiring public servants ? Or, considering the state of the economy, at least cap the lump sums at € 50,000 or €100,000 ?

gigino

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I'd rather this money be given to Irish people to spend, than given to banks to pay for private gambling debts which should never have been even remotely involved in the government's money at all, ever.

None of us likes to see money given to the Irish banks , which are effectively nationalised now, by another part of the public service. It was lack of regulation by the regulator and by the central bank, and poor government, which created the allowed the mess to happen. The central bank, regulators and government people all still have their big pensions ; not one of them has been punished and they have not really punished any of the bankers either, which should have happened.
However, the interest we are paying on the bank debt, as someone else said, is only half of government expenditure on the public service. Our government expenditure on public service also doubled between 1999 and 2009. When you say "I'd rather this money be given to Irish people to spend", is it fair that only some Irish people get this money ? If there is to be - or had to be - a stimulus package, should it not be spread more evenly around the economy, as was tried in Australia ( in a much smaller way - a few grand per person ) several years ago ? The experience there was that people quickly went off and bought new flat screen tv's from China.

Sonnenblumen

Biggins wrote: »

If they have worked all those years and have build up that amount (despite multiple taxes/levies, etc over as many years), at the end of the day its really none of our business what they do with their private, hard earned money.
End of story.

Poor things, what on top of taxes and insurances etc, it must have been especially very difficult if not strange being outside the competitive pool to cope with 'hard earned'?

gigino

I see an interesting detailed feature on pensions ( By Nigel Dunne ) in the business section of this weeks Sunday Independent. Very interesting reading the figures.

Biggins

Sonnenblumen wrote: »

Poor things, what on top of taxes and insurances etc, it must have been especially very difficult if not strange being outside the competitive pool to cope with 'hard earned'?

In this day and age with our useless, whimpering to Europe government trying to rob every cent out of our pockets, its a bloody miracle if any basic worker public sector or not, can scrape together AND KEEP enough to see them through to retirement.

The already mega-rich boys and girls which are well in with FF and FG heads will certainly be retiring easy - but this stupid, moronic lashing out at all workers is just plain stupid, shows a lack of kop-on and a deep lazy arsed un-willingness to delve into the deeper complicated issue of what exact is going the fcuk on!

Retiring public servants get a lump sum gratuity payment of a year and a halves finishing salary , tax free, in addition to their normal pension of 50% of finishing salary.

Average salary in the public service is only € 47,000 per annum according to the cso ( www.cso.ie ) but remember finishing salaries are on average considerably higher due to age, promotion, increments etc.
80k will but not one but two new apartments in some parts of the country.
http://www.daft.ie/searchnew_development.daft?id=12590

Begrudgers may ask in what other ( bankrupt !) country would the average retiring public servant - in addition to their annual pension - get a cash tax free amount equivalent to a couple of nice new apartments, built to government specifications in scenic areas, as a tip ?

A few colleagues and acquantances have retired lately. What does the average public service retirement gratuity get spent on? Usually kids are raised, mortgage paid off etc so should it be
2 apartments in Ireland
a weekend in Las Vegas
a golf villa in Portugal
helping the kids get on the housing ladder, or what ?

Does this post really speak sense and understanding of reality?
Does if fcuk! Its full of ranting mindless piss and schite in too much of a hurry to lash out at too wide a direction.

Gigino if your anyway serious and actually want to get educated in this issue, head over to an economic section or the politics sections.
Its clear, you need to be very educated in some matters and this ranting daftness which is the equivalent of reading some schite from a cheap tabloid, does you no favour.

gigino

The article in the paper claims "the average private sector pension equates to approx €6,000 annually - or a pension fund size of €112,000." This is contrasted with the average public sector pension, which is funded by current government borrowing. It says it "is something the ordinary private sector worker could only dream of". Lots of interesting facts + figures there.

Biggins

gigino wrote: »

The article in the paper claims "the average private sector pension equates to approx €6,000 annually - or a pension fund size of €112,000." This is contrasted with the average public sector pension, which is funded by current government borrowing. It says it "is something the ordinary private sector worker could only dream of". Lots of interesting facts + figures there.

Now in fairness to you - THATS how to make a good post and state useful facts.

gigino

Biggins wrote: »

THATS how to make a good post and state useful facts.

The reports in the media are consistent with what I say. There are even quotes in the paper today from a public service economist who has recommended a 20% public service wage cut, including for himself.
Anyway, its difficult to answer people who may ask " in what other ( bankrupt !) country would the average retiring public servant - in addition to their annual pension - get a cash tax free amount equivalent to a couple of nice new apartments, built to government specifications in scenic areas, as a tip ? "

Biggins

gigino wrote: »

The reports in the media are consistent with what I say. There are even quotes in the paper today from a public service economist who has recommended a 20% public service wage cut, including for himself.
Anyway, its difficult to answer people who may ask " in what other ( bankrupt !) country would the average retiring public servant - in addition to their annual pension - get a cash tax free amount equivalent to a couple of nice new apartments, built to government specifications in scenic areas, as a tip ? "

Again in fairness to your points above, I would suggest that anger/debate should be directed at those responsible for allocating those provisions - not the ones (very) lucky and highly few probably, to receive them.
Your very first post gave the wrong impression - at least to me - and that was that your aiming to wide and at the wrong target, for what in all honestly you could have merit in bringing up - if only at the right target!

gigino

Biggins wrote: »

not the ones (very) lucky and highly few probably, to receive them.

lol Highly few are hundreds of thousands of people....did you never do maths ?
All permanent public servants get the windfall on retirement...yes we are very lucky individually, but government expenditure on public service pay and pensions is double the interest on the banks, and it is costing the country billions. Joe Durkan, head of the ESRI said during the week " public sector pay grew too rapidly with some civil service salaries increasing by 40%. That was a mistake + it needs to roll back. Mine can be cut now, I've no problem with that."

sollar

gigino wrote: »

The reports in the media are consistent with what I say. There are even quotes in the paper today from a public service economist who has recommended a 20% public service wage cut, including for himself.[/B][/I]

AFAIK he recommended a 10% paycut and he said he would be willing to take a 20% one himself

Biggins

gigino wrote: »

lol Highly few are hundreds of thousands of people....did you never do maths ?
All permanent public servants get the windfall on retirement...yes we are very lucky individually, but government expenditure on public service pay and pensions is double the interest on the banks, and it is costing the country billions. Joe Durkan, head of the ESRI said during the week " public sector pay grew too rapidly with some civil service salaries increasing by 40%. That was a mistake + it needs to roll back. Mine can be cut now, I've no problem with that."

Firstly, thanks for the big print, its very considerate of you to think we are all going blind here so you enlarge text for us.
Cheers!

Secondly, while you rather too quickly throw out the bit "All permanent public servants get the windfall on retirement..."- would you care to say for the record just how many public workers actually make it through a full career in public service or of what percentage of those that enter PS make through to full retirement, from start to finish over so many, many years?
And while your doing that, would you also care to add for clarity, at what rate of pay does each start at to qualify for this wonderful massive bonus that supposedly all by your accounts is getting?

...Or frankly, would you have us all mistaken for idiots in your continuing attempts to taint all with yet again the same stupid tainting brush?

Give your rubbish a rest - your fooling no one - well besides yourself!

mrsdewinter

shar01 wrote: »

Anyone who works in any job for 40 years deserves decent benefits.

Let me guess... Teacher?

gigino

Some percentage of public servants do not make it to retirement - 30 years in the case of Gardai, less in the case of judiciary and 40 years in the case of most public servants. Few public servants are leaving for the private sector now. A percentage of people get sick , die before retirement....but we are talking about those who complete their service. Its not that difficult for most people. Unlike the private sector, hardly anyone has ever been sacked from permanent positions in the public sector, or let go....or against their will ended up as one of the 400,000 plus unemployed. We all had the odd teacher who was useless - any of them ever been sacked ?

Biggins

gigino wrote: »

Some percentage of public servants do not make it to retirement - 30 years in the case of Gardai, less in the case of judiciary and 40 years in the case of most public servants. Few public servants are leaving for the private sector now. A percentage of people get sick , die before retirement....but we are talking about those who complete their service. Its not that difficult for most people. Unlike the private sector, hardly anyone has ever been sacked from permanent positions in the public sector, or let go....or against their will ended up as one of the 400,000 plus unemployed. We all had the odd teacher who was useless - any of them ever been sacked ?

So "some" is not all - to begin with!
In fact I suspect a lot more don't than do, but we still don't have figures from you - so your statement "All permanent public servants get the windfall on retirement..." holds no water whatsoever!

You fail to say at what rates of pay/contributions made from an employees start, will eventually give them this wonderful bonus - so you would have us think that the lowest of the lowest paid public worker would also get this wonderful bonus?

Cobblers.

Your tainting of ALL in public service from the start is unfounded - and whats more, unproved.