What are you hoping for/expecting from Queen's visit?

FTA69

Sure who gives a sh*t if you're poor, or sick, or infirm, or have an ill child who needs medical treatment? Let them walk in from suburbs miles away, be sure to bring photographic ID to walk on your own streets though, and if your trip to the hospital is made impossible, then tough sh*t.

There are community centres, job centres and other vital services on the brink of closure in this city and yet it's prudent to spend €30m in bringing over one of the richest women in the world at the expense of the people outlined above? This country is an utter joke.

sollar

FTA69 wrote: »

There are community centres, job centres and other vital services on the brink of closure in this city and yet it's prudent to spend €30m in bringing over one of the richest women in the world at the expense of the people outlined above? This country is an utter joke.

Its the dissidents fault it had to cost €30 million and people couldn't come out to see her arrive if they so wished.

Knight990

JonathanAnon wrote: »

Just watching a bit of it on the telly having lunch here.. Her majesty is now "inspecting" some gathering of navy people, looking a bit uncomfortable... Army lad has just requested of "Your majesty" for "permission to dismiss the guard of honour"... awful nonsense..

Really? Seriously, go look up something about the protocol of a State visit. That's just how it goes, for any visiting Head of State.

My god, some people just seem to want to turn everything into a reason to complain.

Begob

FTA69 wrote: »

Sure who gives a sh*t if you're poor, or sick, or infirm, or have an ill child who needs medical treatment? Let them walk in from suburbs miles away, be sure to bring photographic ID to walk on your own streets though, and if your trip to the hospital is made impossible, then tough sh*t.

There are community centres, job centres and other vital services on the brink of closure in this city and yet it's prudent to spend €30m in bringing over one of the richest women in the world at the expense of the people outlined above? This country is an utter joke.

You seem to have no understanding as to how an economy works.
The gom daws small in number rioting today don't either for different reasons,they're just daft and bored I'd imagine.

Tourism is one of our biggest industries and we need it to grow and need to invest in it's growth to get money back ten fold to feed the coffers for the projects you mention.

We can't just keep confiscating money from those that earn it, like hard line republican clueless so called socialists think we can.

FTA69

Its the dissidents fault it had to cost €30 million and people couldn't come out to see her arrive if they so wished.

Balls. State visits of this nature cost an absolute fortune at the best of times, it was the government's decision to bring over a contentious figure at our expense knowing full well that there would be security arrangements of this nature. It's hilarious like, blaming the dastardly dissidents for the costs arising from a brand new land rover, state dinners etc etc etc.

Begob,

You seem to have no understanding as to how an economy works.
The gom daws small in number rioting today don't either for different reasons,they're just daft and bored I'd imagine.

Tourism is one of our biggest industries and we need it to grow and need to invest in it's growth to get money back ten fold to feed the coffers for the projects you mention.

I know that shutting down every tourist destination in our capital city certainly isn't good for tourism, you even had actual tourists on RTÉ complaining about how they spent money to come to Dublin and were prohibited from visiting the areas of interest. This "tourism" lark is crap and if anything this visit will cost Ireland tourist revenue due to the city's attractions (and business in general) being shut down over the course of a busy Summer weekend.

That having been said, this visit has absolutely f*ck all to do with tourism.

Begob

FTA69 wrote: »

I know that shutting down every tourist destination in our capital city certainly isn't good for tourism, you even had actual tourists on RTÉ complaining about how they spent money to come to Dublin and were prohibited from visiting the areas of interest. This "tourism" lark is crap and if anything this visit will cost Ireland tourist revenue due to the city's attractions (and business in general) being shut down over the course of a busy Summer weekend.

That having been said, this visit has absolutely f*ck all to do with tourism.

So says you.
I'll take the view of Tourism Ireland regarding that though over that of a random Republican on the internet

gurramok

Begob wrote: »

So says you.
I'll take the view of Tourism Ireland regarding that though over that of a random Republican on the internet

As I asked in the Economy forum on this topic with no answer, where will Britons get the money to holiday here? They are in a downturn, have the exchange rate of 87.2p against them and Ireland is still a high cost destination.

Begob

In cases like that,if it does end up being the case, you must look at how the visit slows such a downturn in numbers coming here.
It doesn't negate the percentile effect.

caseyann

Begob wrote: »

So says you.
I'll take the view of Tourism Ireland regarding that though over that of a random Republican on the internet

Ah i see thats why Australian tourists already been on tv,and not impressed with the fact they couldn't visit places they had planned today.Money already down the tubes and bad impression.

rudetc

Begob

caseyann wrote: »

Ah i see thats why Australian tourists already been on tv,and not impressed with the fact they couldn't visit places they had planned today.Money already down the tubes and bad impression.

I saw that and he was being quite jovial about it actually.
he's one.
Were you listening to mooney today on radio one and the dozens of tourists being interviewed that were delighted?

sollar

FTA69 wrote: »

Balls. State visits of this nature cost an absolute fortune at the best of times, it was the government's decision to bring over a contentious figure at our expense knowing full well that there would be security arrangements of this nature. It's hilarious like, blaming the dastardly dissidents for the costs arising from a brand new land rover, state dinners etc etc etc

Of course they are the reason its so expensive. Would it cost half as much if it was the Swedish head of state or the Brazilian head of state? Would we need so many garda, the army, snipers etc, would we need to close off half the city, put up railings everywhere etc. I seriously doubt it.

caseyann

Begob wrote: »

I saw that and he was being quite jovial about it actually.
he's one.
Were you listening to mooney today on radio one and the dozens of tourists being interviewed that were delighted?

lol I heard the picked out edited version lol. At least sky news didnt go around looking for fakes.lol
They had the true side of what people said.Will you be going to see her.God no was some of the replies,should'nt be here was other replies.Place was like a funeral for all these well wishers you wish were there.:p
Jovial he was on tv was he going to beat his chest and curse Ireland?

murphaph

FTA69 wrote: »

It's hilarious like, blaming the dastardly dissidents for the costs arising from a brand new land rover

I'm pretty sure that's one of her own (probably armoured) Land Rovers as it had a UK tax disc in the window. I imagine the Irish plates were slapped on so as not to upset some poor republicans who might take offence at a yellow reg stopping outside the Garden of Remembrance

FTA69

Begob wrote: »

So says you.
I'll take the view of Tourism Ireland regarding that though over that of a random Republican on the internet

Right, so shutting down the city and every tourist destination in the middle of the summer is great to facilitate tourism is it? Despite the fact there are probably thousands of tourists in Dublin right now who can't visit the premier attractions of the city that's going to be great for tourism? Sounds like nonsense to me.

Regards other heads of state, no other head of state is as contentious as she is and the fact that they'd to shut down the entire city for her visit is testament to that fact.

Begob

caseyann wrote: »

lol I heard the picked out edited version lol. At least sky news didnt go around looking for fakes.lol
They had the true side of what people said.Will you be going to see her.God no was some of the replies,should be here was other replies.Place was like a funeral for all these well wishers you wish were there.:p
Jovial he was on tv was he going to beat his chest and curse Ireland?

I'm not a royalist.
Yes many people have a neutral opinion of her as much as they do of the king of Thailand.
It's a positive reflection of how we have all moved on,most of us thankfully anyway

Dyr

Begob wrote: »

So says you.
I'll take the view of Tourism Ireland regarding that though over that of a random Republican on the internet

I'm actually getting p**sed off having to point this out to everyone that wheels this nonsense out today: Have a look at the headlines on the major american websites. The ones that did bother to register that the lizze windsor was over here all had headlines that included the words "queen" "ireland" and "bomb"

yeah that was 30-40 million well spent, you cant buy that kind publicity

f**kin numpties :rolleyes:

Begob

FTA69 wrote: »

Right, so shutting down the city and every tourist destination in the middle of the summer is great to facilitate tourism is it? Despite the fact there are probably thousands of tourists in Dublin right now who can't visit the premier attractions of the city that's going to be great for tourism? Sounds like nonsense to me.

What sounds like nonsense to me is stating the above as if it were going to be going on every day for the rest of the summer.
Most commentators and people who know what they are talking about tourism wise regard the visit as very short term pain for long term a lot of gain in that respect.
Priceless advertising on primetime tv,the world over for our countryside and heritage.

http://www.thepost.ie/mediaandmarketing/a-royal-opportunity-56147.html

Business owners, proprietors and department store managers throughout Dublin view the Queen’s visit to the city centre as a welcome investment in their future. link

Laminations

caseyann wrote: »

Ah i see thats why Australian tourists already been on tv,and not impressed with the fact they couldn't visit places they had planned today.Money already down the tubes and bad impression.

Would you argue that giving free hotel rooms would attract tourists? Well imagine republicans were totally against this and predicted it was folly. What if this was announced and then dissidents threatened to blow up hotels, wouldn't give you the tourist boost you expected but it wouldn't prove republicans right.

If the security hadn't been so tight, tourist attractions couldn't remained open.
If dissidents weren't such destructive hateful cretins then security needn't have been so tight.

Begob

Bambi wrote: »

I'm actually getting p**sed off having to point this out to everyone that wheels this nonsense out today: Have a look at the headlines on the major american websites. The ones that did bother to register that the lizze windsor was over here all had headlines that included the words "queen" "ireland" and "bomb"

yeah that was 30-40 million well spent, you cant buy that kind publicity

f**kin numpties :rolleyes:

You obviously weren't watching CNN,the BBC,or Rai uno today then.
Because it's the moving pictures that register in peoples minds internationally not a deliberate google containing the word bomb.
Any commentary on those examples I saw,contained context.

Killer Pigeon

I have to say that President McAleese's performance so far as been absolutely fantastic. It's unfortunate that she's a Fianna Fáiler.

Dyr

Begob wrote: »

You obviously weren't watching CNN,the BBC,or Rai uno today then.
Because it's the moving pictures that register in peoples minds internationally not a deliberate google containing the word bomb.
Any commentary on those examples I saw,contained context.

No deliberate google from me hoss, so maybe be a bit more careful on the accusation front.

cnn, sky news and fox news all had the words "bomb" in their online headlines this morning, do a bit of research for yourself if you want then try to figure out what that does for tourism

dvpower

FTA69 wrote: »

Right, so shutting down the city and every tourist destination in the middle of the summer is great to facilitate tourism is it? Despite the fact there are probably thousands of tourists in Dublin right now who can't visit the premier attractions of the city that's going to be great for tourism? Sounds like nonsense to me.

Regards other heads of state, no other head of state is as contentious as she is and the fact that they'd to shut down the entire city for her visit is testament to that fact.

I heard some tourists on the radio today who were just chuffed to be in Dublin witnessing Irish history in the making. They were desperately trying to get close enough to see her.

dvpower

gurramok wrote: »

As I asked in the Economy forum on this topic with no answer, where will Britons get the money to holiday here? They are in a downturn, have the exchange rate of 87.2p against them and Ireland is still a high cost destination.

There were answers. Take your blinkers off and read them.

gurramok

dvpower wrote: »

There were answers. Take your blinkers off and read them.

What were they? They never said.

Fuzzy Clam

caseyann wrote: »

Ah i see thats why Australian tourists already been on tv,and not impressed with the fact they couldn't visit places they had planned today.Money already down the tubes and bad impression.

Tourists? Don't you mean tourist (singular) ?

Fuzzy Clam

FTA69 wrote: »

Right, so shutting down the city and every tourist destination in the middle of the summer is great to facilitate tourism is it? Despite the fact there are probably thousands of tourists in Dublin right now who can't visit the premier attractions of the city that's going to be great for tourism? Sounds like nonsense to me.

Middle of summer???? And you're expecting people to take heed of your ramblings and you don't even know what season we're in
Aside from that, not every tourist destination was shut down, which of course you would know if you were actually in Dublin( or even knew what reality is).

dvpower

gurramok wrote: »

What were they? They never said.

The answer is that Britons are still going on holidays to Eurozone countries and still our biggest market. It a smaller pie to be sure, so all the more reason for us to fight for a bigger slice of it.
You seem to want to give up too easily.

FUNKY LOVER

Fuzzy Clam wrote: »

Middle of summer???? And you're expecting people to take heed of your ramblings and you don't even know what season we're in
Aside from that, not every tourist destination was shut down, which of course you would know if you were actually in Dublin( or even knew what reality is).

I think it is you sir who doesnt know what season were in.

Begob

Bambi wrote: »

No deliberate google from me hoss, so maybe be a bit more careful on the accusation front.

cnn, sky news and fox news all had the words "bomb" in their online headlines this morning, do a bit of research for yourself if you want then try to figure out what that does for tourism

I did a news search last night and it was hard to find the word bomb,the news having moved on to the historic aspects of the visit.
There was quite a bit about Trinity,the book of kells and the remembrance garden.The tiny protest mentioned in the tiny context it needed,described as hooligans actually.
So you are getting ahead of yourself.
I know that yesterday evening the 3 stations I mentioned,all watched by tourists in hotels and else where highlighted the good.

Laminations

Bambi wrote: »

No deliberate google from me hoss, so maybe be a bit more careful on the accusation front.

cnn, sky news and fox news all had the words "bomb" in their online headlines this morning, do a bit of research for yourself if you want then try to figure out what that does for tourism

Should countries try and avoid hosting the olympics due to possible bad publicity from groups like Black September? If bombs were mentioned it wasn't because of the Queen but the idiots who planted them.

Also should countries avoid hosting the olympics due to massive cost or do they realise the value of exposure to their tourism industry?

It's almost a self fulfilling prophecy. Republicans say the Queens visit will be rubbish and not give good exposure to Ireland and then they go put of their way to make it rubbish. Thankfully, because the protesters have the organisational skills of chimps and a pool of useless louts from which to draw support, so far they've failed to ruin it for the country.

FTA69

Fuzzy Clam wrote: »

Middle of summer???? And you're expecting people to take heed of your ramblings and you don't even know what season we're in

What season is May in then? There was me thinking May was in the summer? God, you'd want to be retarded not to know that May isn't actually in the summer. Thanks for the correction lad.

Aside from that, not every tourist destination was shut down, which of course you would know if you were actually in Dublin( or even knew what reality is).

Guinness Storehouse: shut, Croke Park: shut, Trinity College and the Book of Kells: shut. Dublin's premier attractions were closed down, leading to the ire of actual tourists as evidenced on RTÉ.

You commenting on perceptions of reality is gas considering you haven't a clue yourself.

JustinDee

FTA69 wrote: »

What season is May in then?

Spring. End of Spring in fact. The middle of summer is July. Even in your calendar, the "middle of summer" is June.

FTA69 wrote: »

Guinness Storehouse: shut, Croke Park: shut, Trinity College and the Book of Kells: shut. Dublin's premier attractions were closed down, leading to the ire of actual tourists as evidenced on RTÉ

The "ire" of an actual tourist according to RTE's reports. One Australian man.
As for the tourism effect, that actually follows the profile. Same as any broad industry promotion.

Fuzzy Clam

FTA69 wrote: »

Fuzzy Clam wrote: »

What season is May in then? There was me thinking May was in the summer? God, you'd want to be retarded not to know that May isn't actually in the summer. Thanks for the correction lad.

No, your the retard. Summer is June, July and August.
Ever if you were to count part of May as Summer, it would not be considered as the height of summer, not even with your retarded thinking.:rolleyes:

Fuzzy Clam

FUNKY LOVER wrote: »

I think it is you sir who doesnt know what season were in.

;););););););););)Sir

Fuzzy Clam

FTA69 wrote: »

Fuzzy Clam wrote: »

Guinness Storehouse: shut, Croke Park: shut, Trinity College and the Book of Kells: shut. Dublin's premier attractions were closed down, leading to the ire of actual tourists as evidenced on RTÉ.

Oh I'm sorry:rolleyes:. I thought you said every tourist attraction. Oh wait, you did. So you are wrong.
How many tourists did you see complaining on RTE? I saw one and I watched all the news bullitins.

So far, I haven't seen a single accurate sentence from you.

FTA69

No, your the retard. Summer is June, July and August.

You couldn't make this up.

Oh I'm sorry. I thought you said every tourist attraction. Oh wait, you did. So you are wrong.

Yep, all the major tourist attractions in Dublin were closed.

junder

I hope that the queen will declare the occupied 26 county's to be back under British rule, and that Mary and Edna are out of a job and then the thousands of troops, tanks, aircraft that we have cunningly disguised as a handful if close protection officers spring into action and take over the country.

Sorry did I say that out loud, I get my coat.

KeithAFC

junder wrote: »

I hope that the queen will declare the occupied 26 county's to be back under British rule, and that Mary and Edna are out of a job and then the thousands of troops, tanks, aircraft that we have cunningly disguised as a handful if close protection officers spring into action and take over the country.

Sorry did I say that out loud, I get my coat.

Its just a conspiracy brethren.

Fuzzy Clam

FTA69 wrote: »

You couldn't make this up.

No, but you could.

From Wiki
"In Ireland, the summer months according to the national meteorological service, Met Éireann, are June, July and August. However, according to the Irish Calendar summer begins 1 May and ends 1 August. School textbooks in Ireland follow the cultural norm of summer commencing on 1 May rather than the meteorological definition of 1 June."

Ok, so i'll accept you're following what they refer to as the cultural definition.
That still hardly makes the 17th May the middle of summer, does it, lad.

KeithAFC

She in Croke park now. Wow.

gurramok

dvpower wrote: »

The answer is that Britons are still going on holidays to Eurozone countries and still our biggest market. It a smaller pie to be sure, so all the more reason for us to fight for a bigger slice of it.
You seem to want to give up too easily.

They go to Spain alright as its cheaper and has the sun.

It's quite magical how an unfavourable exchange rate, Irelands high cost base for tourism and the fact that Britain is in a downturn herself that you think Britons would neglect these factors when choosing a holiday destination, crazy stuff.

dvpower

gurramok wrote: »

They go to Spain alright as its cheaper and has the sun.

It's quite magical how an unfavourable exchange rate, Irelands high cost base for tourism and the fact that Britain is in a downturn herself that you think Britons would neglect these factors when choosing a holiday destination, crazy stuff.

Now you're just trolling.
Britain IS our biggest tourist market. Last year 2 million Britons came here dispite our relative disadvantages. So they don't neglect any factors, but they still come. We need to attract more of them and the goodwill generated by this visit can be capitalised upon to do just that.

steelcityblues

dvpower wrote: »

Now you're just trolling.
Britain IS our biggest tourist market. Last year 2 million Britons came here dispite our relative disadvantages. So they don't neglect any factors, but they still come. We need to attract more of them and the goodwill generated by this visit can be capitalised upon to do just that.

If there are already a lot of British tourists coming here per year, then surely the 'it will help tourism' angle from some people is just nonsense?

Fuzzy Clam

I see Bertie's turned up for the dinner at Dublin Castle. I hope he has no objections if some Sterling gets slipped into the whip round after the meal.

metrovelvet

Fuzzy Clam wrote: »

I see Bertie's turned up for the dinner at Dublin Castle. I hope he has no objections if some Sterling gets slipped into the whip round after the meal.

Now, he is who people should be protesting to get out of the country. ANd slam the door in his face.

dvpower

steelcityblues wrote: »

If there are already a lot of British tourists coming here per year, then surely the 'it will help tourism' angle from some people is just nonsense?

I think I've just entered the twilight zone.

gurramok

dvpower wrote: »

Now you're just trolling.
Britain IS our biggest tourist market. Last year 2 million Britons came here dispite our relative disadvantages. So they don't neglect any factors, but they still come. We need to attract more of them and the goodwill generated by this visit can be capitalised upon to do just that.

Perhaps you are trolling? Tourist numbers are down year upon year as British tourists simply do not have the spending power to come here, this is neglected by you.

I asked, where will Britons get the money to holiday here especially due to the factors like exchange rate & high costs outlined?

Go on, show us how these tourists will find the money?

Laminations

gurramok wrote: »

Perhaps you are trolling? Tourist numbers are down year upon year as British tourists simply do not have the spending power to come here, this is neglected by you.

I asked, where will Britons get the money to holiday here especially due to the factors like exchange rate & high costs outlined?

Go on, show us how these tourists will find the money?

Some Britons will not holiday abroad. Many will and they'll have a choice to make. This will highlight Ireland as a destination. For your point to hold you'd need to argue that no Brits can afford a holiday. We are competing for the ones that can

dvpower

Laminations wrote: »

Some Britons will not holiday abroad. Many will and they'll have a choice to make. This will highlight Ireland as a destination. For your point to hold you'd need to argue that no Brits can afford a holiday. We are competing for the ones that can

@gurramok. Your failure to grasp this simple point is what leads me to believe you are trolling. It's my most generous explanation.