What are you hoping for/expecting from Queen's visit?

gurramok

Laminations wrote: »

Some Britons will not holiday abroad. Many will and they'll have a choice to make. This will highlight Ireland as a destination. For your point to hold you'd need to argue that no Brits can afford a holiday. We are competing for the ones that can

How can we compete on cost? I never argued that Britons could not afford to holiday, its the numbers that are down, they are fewer in number.

So please tell, where will Britons(the one's that can afford to holiday abroad) get the money to holiday here especially due to the factors like exchange rate & high costs outlined that are against them?

Laminations

gurramok wrote: »

How can we compete on cost? I never argued that Britons could not afford to holiday, its the numbers that are down, they are fewer in number.

So please tell, where will Britons(the one's that can afford to holiday abroad) get the money to holiday here especially due to the factors like exchange rate & high costs outlined that are against them?

:rolleyes:
In an earlier post you cited exchange rate as a cost barrier, though this is the same across Europe. Our costs are dropping. Hotel prices are dropping. VAT for the tourist industry has lowered to 9%
Anyway, again your point is....pointless as cost is not the only factor. If it was then all Britons would go on staycations in Slough.

EDIT: AFAIK Superquinn has a larger Market share than Aldi. Yet it costs a lot more. People base decisions on more than cost.

Yahew

Laminations wrote: »

:rolleyes:
In an earlier post you cited exchange rate as a cost barrier, though this is the same across Europe. Our costs are dropping. Hotel prices are dropping. VAT for the tourist industry has lowered to 9%
Anyway, again your point is....pointless as cost is not the only factor. If it was then all Britons would go on staycations in Slough.

Good Dublin hotels are really cheap these days, for sure. The other thing is that England has seen inflation in the last few years of 5%. Ireland has probably seen depreciation - a few years of that and Ireland looks cheap.

Also I feel that sterlings natural exchange rate is about 1.5 to the Euro. Remember that the UK is engaging in QE.

gurramok

Laminations wrote: »

:rolleyes:
In an earlier post you cited exchange rate as a cost barrier, though this is the same across Europe. Our costs are dropping. Hotel prices are dropping. VAT for the tourist industry has lowered to 9%
Anyway, again your point is....pointless as cost is not the only factor. If it was then all Britons would go on staycations in Slough.

EDIT: AFAIK Superquinn has a larger Market share than Aldi. Yet it costs a lot more. People base decisions on more than cost.

So finally the answer is that cost is no barrier for these future tourists.(nevermind domestic Irish ones). Assuming hotel prices are indeed dropping to affordable levels in central locations, lets hope the British tourists will enjoy spending money on expensive Irish food and drink prices.

Laminations

gurramok wrote: »

So finally the answer is that cost is no barrier for these future tourists.(nevermind domestic Irish ones). Assuming hotel prices are indeed dropping to affordable levels in central locations, lets hope the British tourists will enjoy spending money on expensive Irish food and drink prices.

There are many places in Dublin (and I'd imagine this can be found around the country) where you can get a lovely 3 course meal for €15.

later12

Laminations wrote: »

:rolleyes:
Anyway, again your point is....pointless as cost is not the only factor. If it was then all Britons would go on staycations in Slough.

Perhaps it might be more important than any Queenly visits, though. I think that's a reasonable argument. Interesting that you pick Slough, which is the district where the Queen actually lives for most of her life and is next to Eton College, yet Slough doesn't really recover anything from that reputation.

EDIT: AFAIK Superquinn has a larger Market share than Aldi. Yet it costs a lot more. People base decisions on more than cost.

Throw acid in our eyes why don't you... That's a terrible way to reach a conclusion on market share!

You can't just arbitrarily choose two chains with different respective distributions and say that, because one has 0,3% greater market share than the other, that this says anything definitive or concrete about the relationship between price and choice. Especially when overall, the budget stores have a greater market share than Superquinn and Dunnes (which is stretching 'higher cost/ quality' it a little) and similar stores.

Yahew

gurramok wrote: »

So finally the answer is that cost is no barrier for these future tourists.(nevermind domestic Irish ones). Assuming hotel prices are indeed dropping to affordable levels in central locations, lets hope the British tourists will enjoy spending money on expensive Irish food and drink prices.

I was in a pub in Cardiff - admittedly a Hotel pub - where the cost of a Guinness was £4.50 at the weekend. Now, that is more expensive than Ireland for sure. Whats the average - in London a lager is now about £3.60 up from about £3 or so 4-5 years ago, thats about £4. It is very exchange rate dependent. When I came to England sterling was 1.6 to the euro. If that happens again we become real cheap.

Yahew

later10 wrote: »

You can't just arbitrarily choose two chains with different respective distributions and say that, because one has 0,3% greater market share than the other, that this says anything definitive or concrete about the relationship between price and choice. Especially when overall, the budget stores have a greater market share than Superquinn and Dunnes (which is stretching 'higher cost/ quality' it a little) and similar stores.

did you not arbitrarily take a few chains. Of course people are nowhere near as price conscious as economists would predict. Remember Yellow brand - cheap as buttons, and made of the same stuff as the branded items, but people didnt buy. It looked cheap.

gurramok

Yahew wrote: »

I was in a pub in Cardiff - admittedly a Hotel pub - where the cost of a Guinness was £4.50 at the weekend. Now, that is more expensive than Ireland for sure. Whats the average - in London a lager is now about £3.60 up from about £3 or so 4-5 years ago, thats about £4. It is very exchange rate dependent. When I came to England sterling was 1.6 to the euro. If that happens again we become real cheap.

£3.60 would be the average yes? It was when I was last over there.

You had mentioned inflation on the up in the UK, its at 4.5% now(http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/may/17/inflation-rebounds-sharply-in-april-easter ).

Doesn't this mean less disposable income for Britons?

Yahew

gurramok wrote: »

£3.60 would be the average yes? It was when I was last over there.

You had mentioned inflation on the up in the UK, its at 4.5% now(http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/may/17/inflation-rebounds-sharply-in-april-easter ).

Doesn't this mean less disposable income for Britons?

Yes, in the short term. But wages tend to follow inflation over time. It means that prices differentials between Ireland and the UK will get smaller, or reverse. As Ireland is poorer now than it was 5 years ago, that makes sense.

Laminations

You both seem toignore that the €30mil is for two state visits. Now everyone involved in tourism isms retail is saying this will be a huge boost to the economy. The Dublin Retailers representative, responding to the disruption from the street closures said something like 'a little pain now for a long term gain'. Everyone, bar you two, recognise the dividends these visits will pay back more than they cost. Where are the voices on your side?

And my supermarket example shows that cost is not the leading factor for everyone.

later12

Yahew wrote: »

did you not arbitrarily take a few chains.

No. As you can see I mentioned the total market. Most people would consider that there are only two non budget stores in the mainstream Irish market, they being Superquinn and Dunnes (and even Dunnes is questionable).

Originally Posted by later10

You can't just arbitrarily choose two chains with different respective distributions and say that, because one has 0,3% greater market share than the other, that this says anything definitive or concrete about the relationship between price and choice. Especially when overall, the budget stores have a greater market share than Superquinn and Dunnes (which is stretching 'higher cost/ quality' it a little) and similar stores.

later12

Laminations wrote: »

You both seem toignore that the €30mil is for two state visits. Now everyone involved in tourism isms retail is saying this will be a huge boost to the economy.

Based on what? Advertising... or the Queen?

Laminations

later10 wrote: »

No. As you can see I mentioned the total market. Most people would consider that there are only two non budget stores in the mainstream Irish market, they being Superquinn and Dunnes (and even Dunnes is questionable).

Oh really? M & S are budget are they?

Laminations

later10 wrote: »

Based on what? Advertising... or the Queen?

You don't get the advertising without the Queen, unless you pay for it and you can't pay for this type of advertising.

later12

Laminations wrote: »

you can't pay for this type of advertising.

Which type? These types? (source: euronews)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbtBDEiTJKo

http://www.thejournal.ie/eight-men-arrested-over-royal-visit-protests-139405-May2011/
EIGHT MEN were arrested in the Christchurch area of Dublin yesterday as people protesting against the royal visit clashed with gardaí.
The hundreds of people involved in yesterday’s protests included members of the Éirígí and 32 County Sovereignty movement. The protests took place as Queen Elizabeth attended a special function at Dublin Castle hosted by President Mary McAleese.

Laminations

Give me any event and it could be ruined with thugs and violence. Should countries avoid hosting the olympics for the publicity it brings in case of another Black September incident?

The overwhelming media message about this trip has been positive

later12

Laminations wrote: »

Give me any event and it could be ruined with thugs and violence. Should countries avoid hosting the olympics for the publicity it brings in case of another Black September incident?

The overwhelming media message about this trip has been positive

Yes there has been a lot of positive coverage too, I would say that, overall, the coverage would more accurately be described as having been 'mixed' over the past few days. Every time I have seen the headlines on the main page of the british news websites I follow, BBC, Guardian and The Independent, the by-lines have always included references to protesters. Such is the nature of media outlets, one might fairly argue, but your suggestion that "you can't pay for this type of advertising" simply has to go both ways.

KeithAFC

later10 wrote: »

Yes there has been a lot of positive coverage too, I would say that, overall, the coverage would more accurately be described as having been 'mixed' over the past few days. Every time I have seen the headlines on the main page of the british news websites I follow, BBC, Guardian and The Independent, the by-lines have always included references to protesters. Such is the nature of media outlets, one might fairly argue, but your suggestion that "you can't pay for this type of advertising" simply has to go both ways.

Mixed? Anything but mixed. The vast vast vast majority of people support the Visit of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth.

later12

KeithAFC wrote: »

Mixed? Anything but mixed. The vast vast vast majority of people support the Visit of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth.

Coverage, sweetie, coverage.

No doubt about the support though.

caseyann

KeithAFC wrote: »

Mixed? Anything but mixed. The vast vast vast majority of people support the Visit of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth.

LoL on what planet zog?
Seriously can you hear yourself people watch things like that on tv to see if anything bad happens.Others dont even look or care if she is here.The tiny few people are brainwashed by the usual tripe about it being good for the economy.And the majority think its disgraceful she was here at all and even more so when no apology came.
So stop trying to build up the fake blue blood supporters among Irish people.

Liam Byrne

caseyann wrote: »

the majority think its disgraceful she was here at all and even more so when no apology came.

Anything to back up this claim ?

I haven't come across one person who "think its disgraceful", and most people I've talked to since were highly impressed by her use of Irish and her speech and respect for Ireland.

I know that's only anecdotal, but it's personal experience and fact, and since you asked elsewhere if someone was calling an Examiner reporter a liar, I hope you'll be as defensive about my right to state the above fact.

KeithAFC

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Anything to back up this claim ?

I haven't come across one person who "think its disgraceful", and most people I've talked to since were highly impressed by her use of Irish and her speech and respect for Ireland.

I know that's only anecdotal, but it's personal experience and fact, and since you asked elsewhere if someone was calling an Examiner reporter a liar, I hope you'll be as defensive about my right to state the above fact.

You got any footage of her using Irish Liam? Can the Queen speak Irish better than Gerry?

Liam Byrne

KeithAFC wrote: »

You got any footage of her using Irish Liam? Can the Queen speak Irish better than Gerry?

It was on the news - she opened with "A Uachtaran agus a chairde......"

She also referred to this country by its actual name, which is more than Adams ever bothered his hole doing

keithrus

Fair play to her for making the effort. I thought it was a well read speech. Anyone catch Philip eyeing up Mrs Kenny??

Batsy

Yahew wrote: »

I was in a pub in Cardiff - admittedly a Hotel pub - where the cost of a Guinness was £4.50 at the weekend. Now, that is more expensive than Ireland for sure. Whats the average - in London a lager is now about £3.60 up from about £3 or so 4-5 years ago, thats about £4. It is very exchange rate dependent. When I came to England sterling was 1.6 to the euro. If that happens again we become real cheap.

That's only in the South East of England and one or two other places. In other places throughout the UK the cost of a pint is far cheaper.

Where I live in Bolton you can get pints of lager in a pub for £1.50. Nearly every beer in all the pubs along Bradshawgate in the town centre cost just £1.50 for a pint. Come armed with £20 and you're sorted for the night.

later12

Enda Kenny was just on the radio thanking the ordinary Irish people who came out in their thousands to give QE2 a warm Irish welcome.

No offence to Mr Kenny, but does anybody know who these people are, where they came from, or where they went to?!

murphaph

The rebels showed Ireland in a great light with the Queen's walkabout. Even the SF goons in Cork seemed to have their protest with dignity (unlike the embarrassing scumbags in my home town on the first day of the visit, though to be fair to SF I'd say very few of those idiots are even party members or bothered voting at the last election). The last images that will be broadcast about this state visit will show a smiling Queen and Duke walking around in a relaxed manner with many hundreds of well wishers in a wonderfully sunny Cork.

ceadaoin.

caseyann wrote: »

LoL on what planet zog?
Seriously can you hear yourself people watch things like that on tv to see if anything bad happens.Others dont even look or care if she is here.The tiny few people are brainwashed by the usual tripe about it being good for the economy.And the majority think its disgraceful she was here at all and even more so when no apology came.
So stop trying to build up the fake blue blood supporters among Irish people.

That's strange..any opinion polls I've seen show that the majority of Irish people welcomed the Queens visit.

Do you have any evidence to back up your claim that 'the majority think it's disgraceful she was here at all'?

Fuzzy Clam

If I heard it correctly on the 6.01 news, 30,000 people turned out in Cork.

swordofislam

I'm hoping that we can transcend nationalism like the people of Cork and our gallant Garda Siochana.

swordofislam

Laminations wrote: »

The overwhelming media message about this trip has been positive

Front page of Frankurter Allgemeine website mentioned bombs before she visited. You can't buy that kind of publicity.

swordofislam

swordofislam wrote: »

Front page of Frankurter Allgemeine website mentioned bombs before she visited. You can't buy that kind of publicity.

yeah about 0.01% of the 11,000 + positive articles wrote....
The visit went well,theres no doubt about it.
The 2500 in the standing ovation on thursday night and the 30k cheering crowd in cork is evidence of that and the basically beaming smiles and warmth of everyone,(bar the tiny past orientated minority) towards her.
would you like a microscope for the bottom of that barrel you're scraping?

The kind of spin you and a very few others/sinn féin supporters are trying to put on it,isn't working because the rest of us are here and have eyes,ears and a brain.
The fact some of you aren't willing to accept that and still pretend,whilst sticking cotton wool in your ears,blinkers on your eyes whilst going laa la la la... speaks volumes for the lack of sense involved.

Its happened,the past emnity broken record playing doesn't sell as much anymore with the general public,it's a niche republican thing only these days.
It's time to stop playing it.

Clareboy

I was delighted to be among the 30,000 cheering on Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip people in Cork yesterday. The visit has been an outstanding success and has cemented relations between Ireland and the UK. As she walked among us, Her Majesty has touched our hearts and her visit will never be forgotten. She has recognised and honoured our culture and our history and in so doing, she has raised the spirit of the nation and made us proud to be Irish. The visit of Queen Elizabeth has, without a doubt, exceded all our expectations.

Ald

I think, yes, the trip went as well as you could hope for. We got an apology of sorts. She recognised and indeed honoured our traditions and culture. She and the British establishment did themselves proud.

Also I think it is important not to go to extremes over these visits. That's one thing that got us into the financial mess we're in. The right balance is important. Yes, it went well. Good for all involved. Time to move on because great hoops need to be jumped through for our financial soverignty to be regained!

KeithAFC

swordofislam wrote: »

I'm hoping that we can transcend nationalism like the people of Cork and our gallant Garda Siochana.

Cork want out of the Republic don't they?

FTA69

Clareboy wrote: »

I was delighted to be among the 30,000 cheering on Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip people in Cork yesterday. The visit has been an outstanding success and has cemented relations between Ireland and the UK. As she walked among us, Her Majesty has touched our hearts and her visit will never be forgotten. She has recognised and honoured our culture and our history and in so doing, she has raised the spirit of the nation and made us proud to be Irish. The visit of Queen Elizabeth has, without a doubt, exceded all our expectations.

Cringe.

LordSutch

Clareboy wrote: »

I was delighted to be among the 30,000 cheering on Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip people in Cork yesterday. The visit has been an outstanding success and has cemented relations between Ireland and the UK. As she walked among us, Her Majesty has touched our hearts and her visit will never be forgotten. She has recognised and honoured our culture and our history and in so doing, she has raised the spirit of the nation and made us proud to be Irish. The visit of Queen Elizabeth has, without a doubt, exceded all our expectations.

Agreed, and I really hope they relax the security in Dublin on her next visit, so that many more of us can greet her also. It was a shame that the public were told to stay away in Dublin (Her Maj will be too far away to even glimpse they said), but by all accounts she was just as close to the public in parts of Dublin, as she was in Cork. It was a Great visit that will live long in the memory of many, it was also four days in our shared history that has to a great extent helped to 'normalise' relations between these two great islands - Ireland & Britain.

Yahew

The Queen played a blinder. Visiting the Garden of Remembrance to honour people who fought against the UK is relatively unique in world history - although the Germans have done it. The protestors outside were hilarious - I can imagine a different set of protestors, unionists opposing the British head of State honouring people they consider terrorists ( and for the record, i dont). The Queen is more of an Irish republican sympathiser there, than Colonel Myers who does see them as terrorists.

And the cupla focal, better pronounced than any Eirigi. Cut the lumpen dissidents off at the knee. Not that most of them understood a word she was saying.

Fuzzy Clam

FTA69 wrote: »

Cringe.

Cringe at cringe:rolleyes:

Fuzzy Clam

swordofislam wrote: »

I'm hoping that we can transcend nationalism like the people of Cork and our gallant Garda Siochana.

How many threads are you going to post this stupid picture in?

loldog

I wonder what happens to most tricolors when they're no longer needed? Are they stored reverently in bronze urns? No, they're thrown in the ****ing bin because that's what sane people do.

Anyway, those particular pieces of coloured fabric have been soiled after being waved around by hate mongers and bigots - the very opposite of the Republicanism of Wolfe Tone and the United Irishmen.

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later12

loldog wrote: »

Anyway, those particular pieces of coloured fabric have been soiled after being waved around by hate mongers and bigots - the very opposite of the Republicanism of Wolfe Tone and the United Irishmen.
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The opposite of republicanism is not hatred and bigotry.

The opposite of republicanism is an ideology that unnecessarily prevents hate mongers and bigots from voicing opposition (and highlighting their own folly) in at attempt to protect 'the state'. Especially so when the state speaks in terms of "soiling" such heavy symbolic tokens of loyalty (such as flags) as you have done - I find that particularly un-republican.

Yahew

later10 wrote: »

The opposite of republicanism is not hatred and bigotry.

The opposite of republicanism is an ideology that unnecessarily prevents hate mongers and bigots from voicing opposition (and highlighting their own folly) in at attempt to protect 'the state'. Especially so when the state speaks in terms of "soiling" such heavy symbolic tokens of loyalty (such as flags) as you have done - I find that particularly un-republican.

The problem is they have bombs. Were they just left wing dissidents she could have made a public speech ( like Obama).

later12

Yahew wrote: »

The problem is they have bombs. Were they just left wing dissidents she could have made a public speech ( like Obama).

I wasn't specifically speaking about nor defending this week's protesters, who I largely disagreed with anyway. I was just making a point about what I see as an argument based on traditional enlightened republicanism vs bigotry/ hatred. Enlightened republicanism actually creates a place in society for such people to demonstrate their own absurdity to the world like a circus of clowns. It doesn't ban them nor their use of petty symbols because enlightened republicanism is not, or ought not be, so insecure.

And I'm not quite convinced that any of the protesters this week, much as they might like to multiply their own importance, had any clue about bombs or what was being planned by dissident leaderships. The problem with a lot of these dissident leaders is that they are tacticians and do understand what they are doing, I wouldn't associate the same level of intelligence to the boyos in hoodies burning flags and setting bins alight for little more than to have a go at the police.

gurramok

Clareboy wrote: »

I was delighted to be among the 30,000 cheering on Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip people in Cork yesterday. The visit has been an outstanding success and has cemented relations between Ireland and the UK. As she walked among us, Her Majesty has touched our hearts and her visit will never be forgotten. She has recognised and honoured our culture and our history and in so doing, she has raised the spirit of the nation and made us proud to be Irish. The visit of Queen Elizabeth has, without a doubt, exceded all our expectations.

Assuming your 30,000 figure is correct, it is actually more that turned out in Dublin. There are now thousands queuing in Dublin to see Obama despite the equally heavy security, Obama is obviously more popular.

Also, when do we expect the hordes of British tourists to arrive as a result of the royal visit? This summer?

Yahew

gurramok wrote: »

Assuming your 30,000 figure is correct, it is actually more that turned out in Dublin. There are now thousands queuing in Dublin to see Obama despite the equally heavy security, Obama is obviously more popular.

Also, when do we expect the hordes of British tourists to arrive as a result of the royal visit? This summer?

Nobody turned out in Dublin as the place was locked down.

gurramok

Yahew wrote: »

Nobody turned out in Dublin as the place was locked down.

Dublin is locked down today. Same restrictions. http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0521/gardatrafficrestrictions.pdf

Yahew

gurramok wrote: »

Dublin is locked down today. Same restrictions. http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0521/gardatrafficrestrictions.pdf

No, locked down as in nobody got near the Queen, there was no public speech. Precisely because of threat from the dissidents. The Cork thing wasn't schedulted.