"Scientists cure cancer, but no one takes notice"

jony_dols

Found a link to an article on a reputable medical website (which I'm unable to post),
which contains comments from patients suffering from aggressive brain tumours and colon cancer and they themselves are on trials with the DCA drug.

And some of their results are pretty remarkable.

16. Rob on May 14, 2010 7:32 PM writes...

I have been using DCA since last May 21st for metastatic colon cancer. No other chemo. The first two CT scans after May 21st showed significant reductions in tumor size and the last four have shown no change. A year after discovering a rapid growing set of large tumors I remain symptom free and have raised my dosage back to my initial dosage to see if I can get another tumor reduction. I think the DCA is working and the latest oncologist I saw agrees.

18. Rob on May 15, 2010 12:01 PM writes...

I started out at one gram per day, I weigh around 190. I have been at 2 grams a day and now have upped it to 3 grams a day. That is for five days and them two weeks off. I don't have any rationale for this other than to avoid peripheral neuropathy which I have. And after stopping DCA the neuropathy continues to increase for a week. I take 300 to 500 mg of B-l plus a B Complex to counter this also.

Look at theDCAsite for far better dosage info than from me.

While I give all the credit for my stable cancer to DCA because that is all I took in the beginning when I had the actual reductions in tumor size and also when I took it for the longest periods, 20 days without a break and when I developed PN, I now take a lot of other things.

Metformin 200 mg
Artemisinin one gram
Artesunate 100 mg
Fish Oil 7 grams
Vit D3 4000 iu
Curcumin
EGCG for its caffeine

Again no symptoms, feel fine, ride my bike. My oncologist hear nothing in my lungs. It is a bit unreal since on average I am supposed to be dead having had no standard chemo.

Timeline
Resection in 12/06
Diagnosed with metastatic colon cancer 4/09
Six CT scans since but no treatment since at leading, number one or two, cancer hospital.
Accepted for Phase One clinical trial last month but am waiting for later, higher dose, cohort in Oct or Dec.
Being considered for another Phase One trial.
Have been seen by four oncologist at three major hospitals and a medical group.

No doctor has agreed to work with me and DCA but there are doctors who will. Check it out.

21. rob on May 23, 2010 3:41 AM writes...
Dave,

Nothing but DCA and what I listed. No progression last 8 months, two regressions in the first four months. total now approaching 13 months. No weight loss, good appetite.

Hylar tumor originally 4x3.6 cm now 3x2 something cm. Nodule in right upper lung always at 2x2 cm but looks broken up to me in last CT scan.

31. dustin on September 14, 2010 7:52 PM writes...

I've been doing a lot of reading about DCA and the possible benefits on brain tumours and I can tell you all this.....my wife was diagnosed with a tumour on her cerebellum and because we are lucky enough to be living in Alberta AND because she met all the requirements, she was included in the U of A trials. With that said, she had NO surgery and NO chemo or radiation....she was only given DCA and some vitamines and after two months her scan revealed that it shrunk by 20% and two weeks later it revealed that that little piece of hell in her head was stopped in its tracks!She is too continue this treatment until November and than we will see whats next....

Coriolanus

jony_dols wrote: »

Found a link to an article on a reputable medical website (which I'm unable to post),
which contains comments from patients suffering from aggressive brain tumours and colon cancer and they themselves are on trials with the DCA drug.

Why can't you post it?

jony_dols

Nevore wrote: »

Why can't you post it?

Isn't posting links to external sites against forum rules?

Ah **** it, here you go.

http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2010/05/14/dca_and_cancer_more_results.php

& here is some further updates on the testing of DCA.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/story/2010/05/12/dca-brain-cancer.html

Coriolanus

Nope, not if it's involved in a serious discussion or so I thought. Shilling and spamming is disallowed but I'm guessing that site is pertinent to the discussion at hand.
Maybe pm one of the AH mods for confirmation?

Predator_

I sure there are cures for the major diseases but capitalism has blocked them because its all about greed. The sooner we turn our back on the evil that is anglo saxon capitalism the better for everyone.

Coriolanus

Predator_ wrote: »

I sure there are cures for the major diseases but capitalism has blocked them because its all about greed. The sooner we turn our back on the evil that is anglo saxon capitalism the better for everyone.

That doesn't make a lot of sense. Why not simply sell the cures for the major diseases at a sky high price since the evil anglo saxon capitalists know people will have no choice but to pay?

Predator_

Nevore wrote: »

That doesn't make a lot of sense. Why not simply sell the cures for the major diseases at a sky high price since the evil anglo saxon capitalists know people will have no choice but to pay?

They couldn't do that, there would be an outcry, think about it.

partyatmygaff

Predator_ wrote: »

They couldn't do that, there would be an outcry, think about it.

No there wouldn't.

mconigol

A Yacult complaining about the public being fooled by the big pharmaceuticals? Oh the irony.

bleg

This thread is hilarious.

blubloblu

Anyone with leaving cert biology should be able to see what a load of nonsense the OP is.

bleg

bleg wrote: »

This thread is hilarious.

While we're at it:

The moon landings were faked

9/11 was an inside job

Evis is still alive

JFK was shot by 57 different shooters from 293 different angles

and so on...

bleg

blubloblu wrote: »

Anyone with leaving cert biology should be able to see what a load of nonsense the OP is.

Biology has no place in this thread. Did you not read the article? Mitochondria are now a type of cell!

OutlawPete

Deleted User wrote: »

While we're at it:

The moon landings were faked

9/11 was an inside job

Evis is still alive

JFK was shot by 57 different shooters from 293 different angles

and so on...

You're lumping the fact that people don't accept that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in with fake moon landings and those that believe Elvis is somewhere eating a Kit Kat?

OutlawPete

OutlawPete wrote: »

You're lumping the fact that people don't accept that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in with fake moon landings and those that believe Elvis is somewhere eating a Kit Kat?

No, not necessarily, just the fact that there are so many theories as to who shot him and from where.

They can't all be right.

Mike 1972

A cancer story so bullsh1t that even the Daily mail rejected it ?

opinion guy

Deleted User wrote: »

No, not necessarily, just the fact that there are so many theories as to who shot him and from where.

They can't all be right.

Oh now you're just not thinking mutli-dimensionally:rolleyes:
Clearly they are all possible if you invoke multi-universe physics

Wibbs

ScienceNerd wrote: »

That is comedy gold

I know everyone is jumping up and down laughing at this buuuuut.... technically, mitochondria could be thought of a cells within cells. They have different DNA going on. If you're a bloke you have your ma's* version of mitochondrial DNA. They appear to be related to nucleus free prokaryotes and probably invaded (very)early animal cells and stuck around in a symbiotic kinda thang.










*Most scientific use of your ma in AH history

GLaDOS

Wibbs wrote: »

I know everyone is jumping up and down laughing at this buuuuut.... technically, mitochondria could be thought of a cells within cells. They have different DNA going on. If you're a bloke you have your ma's* version of mitochondrial DNA. They appear to be related to nucleus free prokaryotes and probably invaded (very)early animal cells and stuck around in a symbiotic kinda thang.

I'm aware of the origins of mitochondria

Ickle Magoo

They have a name, they are called organelles - and any journalist trying to convince anyone of a scientific matter should be able do so without slipping up on jr cert level biology or resorting to using made-up terminology, surely?

Prokaryotes generally lack mitochondria, would you be referring to the endosymbiotic theory? :P

amacachi

Wibbs wrote: »

I know everyone is jumping up and down laughing at this buuuuut.... technically, mitochondria could be thought of a cells within cells. They have different DNA going on. If you're a bloke you have your ma's* version of mitochondrial DNA. They appear to be related to nucleus free prokaryotes and probably invaded (very)early animal cells and stuck around in a symbiotic kinda thang.













*Most scientific use of your ma in AH history

They're still not cells.

mconigol

amacachi wrote: »

They're still not cells.

I think they are.

Jesus told me in a dream.

Mr. Loverman

bonerm wrote: »

There's no money in cures, only in preventions.

Or keeping people ill and on your medication for as long as possible...

My name is URL

mconigol wrote: »

I think they are.

Jesus told me in a dream.

Jesus Cristae?

kaz_corcoran

This article was pointed out to me in an 'Oh my God can you believe this' kind of way. Its only a surprise to me that more people don't realise that this happens all the time. There are countless research groups working on cancer cures, and many of them have fairly viable routes. My research group have just stumbled across a group of proteins that are capable of supressing cancer progression, but its all about funding, and I don't think it'll go much further. The groups that fund research control where exactly the money goes, and as a result there are many routes not fully explored. Of course there are many other reasons that these things are left unexplored, but ultimately it generally boils down to money.

bleg

Have you tried the Irish cancer society, science foundation Ireland or enterprise Ireland?

Capt'n Midnight

unknownlegend wrote: »

There must be some scientific backing/truth to it? Scientists can't come out with claims like this and not have evidence - their credibility would be shot to ribbons and they'd have to look into a new career fairly pronto!

sadly not true

for researchers there is a massive emphasis on "publish or perish"
if you don't have a high profile you don't get the grants


scientic papers are supposed to be peer reviewed, but retractions are rare.
this BTW means that if there is a retraction about a paper then it you can more or less ignore the original


we need to have more peer reviews and more acceptance of papers that refute other research


a major problem now is that data is kept private in published papers , usually for commercial reasons - tbh if you can't review the data then you can't review the article so it shouldn't be published :mad:

AlmightyCushion

TimmyMallett wrote: »

the article seems to be over 4 years old (going on the comments).

The greater argument at the heart of the article is still very vaild though - how can the brains in the world that are capable of putting man into space have not yet found a cure for cancer or AIDS?

Because they are physicists, mathematicians and engineers they probably know feck all about biology. Just because someone is incredibly smart and very knowledgeable in one area of science doesn't mean that will replicate to other areas of science.

tony007

bleg wrote: »

Biology has no place in this thread. Did you not read the article? Mitochondria are now a type of cell!

1000's of years ago, the mitochondria was an independent cell structure, but migrated into another cell, receiving resources from this cell whilst providing energy to the cell. If this pure fluke didnt happen, there probably wouldn't be any complex life forms.
Huzza for mitochondria!

RichieC

not sure about the article but you can be dam sure that any cheap one off cures would be buried by the PTB.

we are basically serving as a sick farm for big corporations, they profit selling us sh*t that makes us sick, polluting that makes us sick as they go and then finally selling us drugs help treat said sicknesses.

As a species we are utterly f*cked.

Duggy747

A bottle of 7-Up from Mammy cures everything

Dave!

RichieC wrote: »

not sure about the article but you can be dam sure that any cheap one off cures would be buried by the PTB.

we are basically serving as a sick farm for big corporations, they profit selling us sh*t that makes us sick, polluting that makes us sick as they go and then finally selling us drugs help treat said sicknesses.

As a species we are utterly f*cked.

Nonsense... They make money developing and selling vaccines for the likes of polio, pertussis, measles, etc. Those are one-off (or maybe 'a handful-off') miracle cures. If people would just get the vaccines then the diseases would disappear. But because of conspiracy-mongers like yourself, vaccination uptake goes down, incidences go up, and people die as a result.

opinion guy

kaz_corcoran wrote: »

This article was pointed out to me in an 'Oh my God can you believe this' kind of way. Its only a surprise to me that more people don't realise that this happens all the time. There are countless research groups working on cancer cures, and many of them have fairly viable routes. My research group have just stumbled across a group of proteins that are capable of supressing cancer progression, but its all about funding, and I don't think it'll go much further. The groups that fund research control where exactly the money goes, and as a result there are many routes not fully explored. Of course there are many other reasons that these things are left unexplored, but ultimately it generally boils down to money.

Wait. Are you trying to say you somehow believe the article in the OP ?

Genghiz Cohen

Dave! wrote: »

Nonsense... They make money developing and selling vaccines for the likes of polio, pertussis, measles, etc. Those are one-off (or maybe 'a handful-off') miracle cures. If people would just get the vaccines then the diseases would disappear. But because of conspiracy-mongers like yourself, vaccination uptake goes down, incidences go up, and people die as a result.

JohnMarston

Duggy747 wrote: »

A bottle of 7-Up from Mammy cures everything

Flat 7-Up

Genghiz Cohen

"There's no money in stuff you can patent."
Why don't you all head to Tesco or a pharmacy or whatever, have a look at the vitamin and mineral isle. You can't patent a vitamin, so you shouldn't be able to make money off it, so the isle should not exist.

But it does.

RichieC

Dave! wrote: »

Nonsense... They make money developing and selling vaccines for the likes of polio, pertussis, measles, etc. Those are one-off (or maybe 'a handful-off') miracle cures. If people would just get the vaccines then the diseases would disappear. But because of conspiracy-mongers like yourself, vaccination uptake goes down, incidences go up, and people die as a result.

Conspiracy mongers lol... I am and have been an outspoken proponent of vaccinations. Take your head out of the sand.

bleg

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

"There's no money in stuff you can patent."
Why don't you all head to Tesco or a pharmacy or whatever, have a look at the vitamin and mineral isle. You can't patent a vitamin, so you shouldn't be able to make money off it, so the isle should not exist.

But it does.

Exactly, or go to a herbal shop, holland and barrett, etc...

All a load of unpatentable bull**** that sells enough to make them multi million/billion euro industries here and abroad.

opinion guy

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

"There's no money in stuff you can patent."
Why don't you all head to Tesco or a pharmacy or whatever, have a look at the vitamin and mineral isle. You can't patent a vitamin, so you shouldn't be able to make money off it, so the isle should not exist.

But it does.

bleg wrote: »

Exactly, or go to a herbal shop, holland and barrett, etc...

All a load of unpatentable bull**** that sells enough to make them multi million/billion euro industries here and abroad.

Bull**** ? Well that's quite the claim. They are all chemicals. And there is alot of money in it. But what there is not money in is proving whether it works or not. To call it all bull**** out of hand is just ignorant. Some of it is doubtless bull****. Some of it is not. There is plenty of evidence for vitamin D and B supplementation for example (EDIT - I don't mean in treating cancer I mean in general)

partyatmygaff

RichieC wrote: »

we are basically serving as a sick farm for big corporations, they profit selling us sh*t that makes us sick, polluting that makes us sick as they go and then finally selling us drugs help treat said sicknesses.

1. Cause Disease
2. Develop Cure
3. ????
4. Profit

Pharmaceutical companies are regulated. If they made a medicine whose negative effects outstripped the positive then it would either not make it to market or would be pulled out of market. Conspiracy Theories like the above worsen public health by making people distrust conventional medicine to the point that people could turn to homeopathy.

As a species we are utterly f*cked.

I'm fairly sure a few million people have said that throughout the ages. Unsurprisingly, their "musings" never amounted to anything more than hyperbole.

Genghiz Cohen

opinion guy wrote: »

Bull**** ? Well that's quite the claim. They are all chemicals. And there is alot of money in it. But what there is not money in is proving whether it works or not. To call it all bull**** out of hand is just ignorant. Some of it is doubtless bull****. Some of it is not. There is plenty of evidence for vitamin D and B supplementation for example (EDIT - I don't mean in treating cancer I mean in general)

Burden of proof and all that.

ScumLord

partyatmygaff wrote: »

1. Cause Disease
2. Develop addictive pain killers and something that slows the disease.
3. ????
4. Profit

From a money making perspective the last thing you want is for someone to be cured.

boombang

Original article:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn10971-cheap-safe-drug-kills-most-cancers.html


Update last week:
http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2011/05/cure-for-cancer-resurfaces-and.html

Herb Powell

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Because they are physicists, mathematicians and engineers they probably know feck all about biology. Just because someone is incredibly smart and very knowledgeable in one area of science doesn't mean that will replicate to other areas of science.

I did laugh, well played

Paul.C

Here are updated articles related to the old one. A bit discrediting to the original but The comments below are encouraging



http://scienceblogs.com/terrasig/2010/05/dichloroacetate_dca_brain_canc.php

http://scienceblogs.com/terrasig/2010/05/dichloroacetate_dca_brain_canc.php



There seem to be people buying their own DCA over the internet and self treating.

I no the research is still being carried out but I cant blame any of them self medicating.

In the last year my uncle and my mams best friend died of cancer. I saw what chemo does to people and both of their cases the cancer was to aggressive.
The treatment they were on did not work for them but does for others. For them it made the remainder of their lives consist of getting sick and getting treated.

I really hope this breakthrough leads to an eventual cure for all types of cancer, and maybe sheds light on how we look at cell function to employ it in formulas for other drugs for other cell anomalies.

If I were diagnosed with cancer tomoro I would probably buy stacks of this stuff and try that only! It may be irresponsible to do this but even if it did have side effects in years to come, they would be probably years that you wouldn't have lived anyway.

Again fingers crossed and I really hope that something comes from this. Also I hope this instills hope for all those affected by this disease, as many of you no this is sometimes all we have.

Capt'n Midnight

tony007 wrote: »

1000's of years ago, the mitochondria was an independent cell structure,

Creation happened at 9am 23rd October 4004BC so you could be right

Capt'n Midnight

Cancer cells have the same (OK almost the same) genetic code as the rest of your body but the uncontrolled growth means in a lot of cases they may not have the same system of capillaries through them.

Some treatments are simply to remove or kill all cells in a certain area, both good and bad in the hope the body can stand up to the damage.

Other treatments are stressfull to individual cells in the body, the idea is that the cancer cells may not be able to stand up to the stress as well as cells with a better blood supply. Blood cools and provides nutrients etc.

Another treatment is to remove target all cells of a particular type that you could survive without.


There is no simple cure for cancer as it's just cells in your body replicating themselves faster than they are supposed to or after they are supposed to stop replicating. (and yes a lot of the nastier treatments target all replicating cells both good and bad )


There are treatments that rely on something peculiar to the cancer cells, only at this point are you getting close to a magic bullet, that can attack cancer cells without causing a lot of collateral damage to your body.

amacachi

tony007 wrote: »

1000's of years ago, the mitochondria was an independent cell structure, but migrated into another cell, receiving resources from this cell whilst providing energy to the cell. If this pure fluke didnt happen, there probably wouldn't be any complex life forms.
Huzza for mitochondria!

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Creation happened at 9am 23rd October 4004BC so you could be right

Damn you, was just going to ask how long ago the Earth was created. :pac:

And yes, Paul.C, self-medicating for potentially fatal diseases is positive.:rolleyes:

tony007

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Creation happened at 9am 23rd October 4004BC so you could be right

Soz, should have added 6 or 9 more noughts to that

Chuck Stone

bonerm wrote: »

There's no money in cures, only in preventions.

This ^^ is wrong.

There's is money in treatments, cures, and prevention.

Cancer drugs and radiotherapy are used to treat and cure cancer.

Antibiotics are used to treat and cure infections.

Casts and surgery are used to treat and cure fractures.

Vaccinations are used to prevent diseases.

Exercise and a good diet can prevent illness and are pretty much free.