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Gerry Adams to run for President ?

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    #452
    SoulandForm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭SoulandForm


    Godge wrote: »

    The geographical reality though has no effect on the political reality. Ask the Koreans.

    No Korean would deny that there is just ONE Korean nation.

    The same in Ireland; one nation, two states.


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    #453
    Manassas61
    Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭Manassas61


    Charlie Rock wrote: »
    See here's where the confusion arises; most Unionists call what Ulster?
    Ulster. It's what we call the province.


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    #454
    Karl Stein
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    Manassas61 wrote: »
    Ulster. It's what we call the province.

    What do you mean when you say Ulster?

    Feel free to use a blank map of Ireland and crayons to help me understand.


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    #455
    SoulandForm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭SoulandForm


    While I dont believe that demographics necessarily equal an end to partition, with the Catholic attitude to education been generally better than the Protestant one in Northern Ireland, you would think that capital "U" Unionists would be giving the situation they find themselves in serious thought; its strange how Unionism can move so quickly between an Ostrich type attitude and Apocalypticism.


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    #456
    Lacerda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19 ✭Lacerda


    Why isn't anyone discussing the actual subject of this thread?
    That is "Gerry Adams" for El Presidente


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    #457
    SoulandForm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭SoulandForm


    Lacerda wrote: »
    Why isn't anyone discussing the actual subject of this thread?
    That is "Gerry Adams" for El Presidente

    Because its a bit of an impossibility?

    Threads dealing with Northern Ireland tend always to go all over the place anyway.


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    #458
    timthumbni
    Registered Users Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    Lacerda wrote: »
    Why isn't anyone discussing the actual subject of this thread?
    That is "Gerry Adams" for El Presidente

    Because at the moment old beardy adams is a bit of a liability to republicans, considering his less than glorious dealings/lack of action regarding his child rapist brother.

    Normally the armchair Provo types on here are quick to shout off topic (unless of course it's them who are going off topic) It's probably best for them to side track anything about old Gerry at the moment.

    As a Northern Ireland unionist it doesn't really matter much to me who the president of the republic is. Though if youse ever elect Gerry then good luck with that. That wee man you have at the minute seems ok and inoffensive. At least he doesn't seem to think that playing golf with loyalists is part of the job.


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    #459
    Happyman42
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    timthumbni wrote: »

    As a Northern Ireland unionist it doesn't really matter much to me who the president of the republic is.

    :D:D:D That's funny that is ^^.


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    #460
    SoulandForm
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    Richard wrote: »
    That's one thing he said that isn't preposterous.

    Die hard loyalists wouldn't be, but many middle-class unionists could change their mind if the conditions were right.

    The potential instability caused by a transition to a UI could however, put many of them, and moderate nationalists off the idea of a UI.

    Its not middle class Unionists that could be persuaded en mass just like the poor unfortunates who have to derive a sense of personal identity by singing the Sash and Billy Boys- its working class (actual working as opposed to lumpen drunks and thugs) unionists who have had to suffer so much from their "own side" whether those socially above or beneath them that could with the right wits be won over.


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    #461
    junder
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    SoulandForm wrote: »
    Its not middle class Unionists that could be persuaded en mass just like the poor unfortunates who have to derive a sense of personal identity by singing the Sash and Billy Boys- its working class (actual working as opposed to lumpen drunks and thugs) unionists who have had to suffer so much from their "own side" whether those socially above or beneath them that could with the right wits be won over.

    I am a working class unionist and you won't be winning me over


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    Manassas61
    Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭Manassas61


    Charlie Rock wrote: »
    What do you mean when you say Ulster?

    Feel free to use a blank map of Ireland and crayons to help me understand.
    Just Ulster. I can't put it any more clear than that.


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    #463
    SoulandForm
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    Manassas61 wrote: »
    Just Ulster. I can't put it any more clear than that.

    Well if you mean actual Ulster than yes- Ulster is sort of its own thing, but like Provance is its own thing but still part of France so is Ulster. The majority of Ulster are from Catholic backgrounds and vote for "nationalist" parties. I do think I have much more in common with people from Donegal than I do with people from Cork- but we are still all Irish.


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    Manassas61
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    SoulandForm wrote: »
    Well if you mean actual Ulster than yes- Ulster is sort of its own thing, but like Provance is its own thing but still part of France so is Ulster. The majority of Ulster are from Catholic backgrounds and vote for "nationalist" parties. I do think I have much more in common with people from Donegal than I do with people from Cork- but we are still all Irish.
    You can't beat Ulster for its countryside and beautiful fields and just the atmosphere around the country. A great rural place, particularly Antrim and Down. I have always thought of it different from the rest of the Island.


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    #465
    SoulandForm
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    Manassas61 wrote: »
    You can't beat Ulster for its countryside and beautiful fields and just the atmosphere around the country. A great rural place, particularly Antrim and Down. I have always thought of it different from the rest of the Island.

    But a large majority of Ulster people dont!

    Ulster is incredibly beautiful and is the most beautiful province in Ireland in my opinion though. Ulster also has greater possibilities among her people- I do think that her people have a greater psychic energy than the rest of the Irish, its just terribly mischannelled into nonsense.


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    #466
    Iwasfrozen
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    SoulandForm wrote: »
    Ulster is incredibly beautiful and is the most beautiful province in Ireland in my opinion though. Ulster also has greater possibilities among her people- I do think that her people have a greater psychic energy than the rest of the Irish, its just terribly mischannelled into nonsense.
    lol what?


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    SoulandForm
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    lol what?

    Psychological engery- the energy of the psyche.

    Nothing to do with mystic meg.


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    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    SoulandForm wrote: »
    Psychological engery- the energy of the psyche.

    Nothing to do with mystic meg.
    So you're saying the Northern Irish are more motivated?


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    SoulandForm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭SoulandForm


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    So you're saying the Northern Irish are more motivated?

    Look at the "fleg riots" or the Provos themselves- you cant say that there was not a lot of energy there. Im not saying its always channeled wisely but its there. I loathe Ulster's present but I adore its possibility.


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    SoulandForm
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    So you're saying the Northern Irish are more motivated?

    Try to sing some songs of glory,
    Sing some songs of peace,
    But in the end it's the same old story,
    They're both so hard to reach.

    People tell me they're sick and tired,
    Of seeing this place run down,
    Well I say: Take your blindfolds off, you hypocrites,
    And help us to get off the ground.


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    Iwasfrozen
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    SoulandForm wrote: »
    Look at the "fleg riots" or the Provos themselves- you cant say that there was not a lot of energy there. Im not saying its always channeled wisely but its there. I loathe Ulster's present but I adore its possibility.
    The same energy existed in the South during and leading up to the war of independence and civil war. Conflict motivates people, if Northern Ireland ever finds peace that energy will become like the rest of Ireland.


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    SoulandForm
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    The same energy existed in the South during and leading up to the war of independence and civil war. Conflict motivates people, if Northern Ireland ever finds peace that energy will become like the rest of Ireland.

    No Irish Republicanism was born in the north, at one time northerners made Ulster an industrial power house, there are plenty of reasons for conflict in the south- the fact that nordies would get worked up about the "fleg" works against us but also works for us.


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    #473
    Iwasfrozen
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    SoulandForm wrote: »
    No Irish Republicanism was born in the north, at one time northerners made Ulster an industrial power house, there are plenty of reasons for conflict in the south- the fact that nordies would get worked up about the "fleg" works against us but also works for us.
    Irish republicanism wasn't born in the North. Wolftone, the father of Irish republicanism was very much a Southerner as was his organisation.


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    #474
    SoulandForm
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Irish republicanism wasn't born in the North. Wolftone, the father of Irish republicanism was very much a Southerner as was his organisation.

    It didnt begin with him and yes it was born in the north. Im glad though you are happy to whitewash Peader O'Donnell and General Munroe from your history- but tell me how are things going in getting the gun controls set in place by the Treatyite repealed and a genuine Republic of working people installed going? How many southerners spat on Ireland's struggle for national liberation by voting for the Lisbon treaty?


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    #475
    SoulandForm
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    The same energy existed in the South during and leading up to the war of independence and civil war. Conflict motivates people, if Northern Ireland ever finds peace that energy will become like the rest of Ireland.

    So you are saying national liberation or something in that direction will sort out the six counties? Thanks for that.


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    #476
    LordSutch
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    Gerry Adams (es Provisional IRA member) will hopefully never be the President of the Republic of Ireland.

    Just thought I'd throw some subject matter into a debate about Adams, which is currently drifting way off course . . .


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    Iwasfrozen
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    SoulandForm wrote: »
    It didnt begin with him and yes it was born in the north.
    It didn't begin with him but his was the first major movement and he is regarded as the father of Irish Republicanism.
    Im glad though you are happy to whitewash Peader O'Donnell and General Munroe from your history-
    The socialist Peader O'Donnell from Derry? I'm not sure who the General Munroe is and I'm not sure why these two are relevant but Wolftone definitely predates O'Donnell.
    but tell me how are things going in getting the gun controls set in place by the Treatyite repealed and genuine Republic of working people installed going?
    lol what?
    How many southerners spat on Ireland's struggle for national liberation by voting for the Lisbon treaty?
    Me for one. Ireland does not exist on it's own planet. We're part of a greater whole in Europe. We need to stop being so inward looking.


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    #478
    Tramps Like Us
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    The united Irishmen was founded in the north by protestants.... level of ignorance is astounding


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    Iwasfrozen
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    Tramps Like Us wrote: »
    The united Irishmen was founded in the north by protestants.... level of ignorance is astounding
    Wolftone was a Southerner. He was invited to Belfast by interested parties. The claim wasn't that the United Irishmen weren't Northern it was that Irish Republicanism was born in the North. Which it clearly wasn't.


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    #480
    Hannibal
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    LordSutch wrote: »
    Gerry Adams (es Provisional IRA member) will hopefully never be the President of the Republic of Ireland.

    Just thought I'd throw some subject matter into a debate about Adams, which is currently drifting way off course . . .
    Have you evidence of that? none exists, no charges etc despite him inviting McDowell to arrest him if he had evidence of this. Adams has always said he's proud of his association with the IRA but was never a member so he can only be taken at his word. Members of our current government could also be called ex-OIRA members everytime people refer to them but this is of course not labelled at them

    The "Republic of Ireland" is a description of the state and not the offical name of the state, he might or might not become "President of Ireland" that's upto the people to decide if Sinn Fein do decide to nominate Adams next time around.


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    timthumbni
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    Hannibal wrote: »
    Have you evidence of that? none exists, no charges etc despite him inviting McDowell to arrest him if he had evidence of this. Adams has always said he's proud of his association with the IRA but was never a member so he can only be taken at his word.

    Yeah because we all take adams at his word in Northern Ireland.

    He's known up here as "Honest Gerry" Well amongst shinner bots anyway.


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