The Golden Boot winner this year could be very controversial

The Floyd p

Is this thread a disguised Ronaldo cock jerking thread?

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Clearly a Pepé goal, anyone that says otherwise is taking the piss. Yes the original shot from Ronaldo was on target but there's no way anyone could know if it's going in, the odds are that the keeper would have saved so Pepé should definitely be credited with the goal. Unsurprisingly Marca have credited Ronaldo with the goal, but then they'll do anything to try and piss off Barcelona, as shown by the photoshopped pic they actually had the stupidity to print earlier on in the season.

CorkMan

That Alves goal was offside anyway. All but his feet were way offside.

everdead.ie

Rob113 wrote: »

Has to be given as Pepes goal unfortunately. Remember David nugents first goal for England. Defoe took the strike on goal, nugent raced in and kicked the ball just as it was crossing the line. He was given the goal even though the Defoe shot was about to cross the line. Don't know how to imbed a video from the phone but here's the link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnHpg5Wz_Xk&feature=youtube_gdata_player

The look on nugents face I scored I scored.

flahavaj

everdead.ie wrote: »

The look on nugents face I scored I scored.

He knew well he'd never get the chnace to score for England again.:pac:

MR NINE

Anyone who thinks it's Ronaldo's goal, imagine you had Pepe in your fantasy football team and the goal was given to Ronaldo, how outraged would you be?

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

CorkMan wrote: »

That Alves goal was offside anyway. All but his feet were way offside.

Awh yeah, without doubt CorkMan..

the untitled user

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

That is Ronaldo's goal to me. I thought it was standard practice to award such goals to the player who had the shot on target?

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Last attacker to touch it gets the goal.

This has always been how it's interpreted.

redout

Why the fcuk are you even debating this ?

The LFP goals panel deemed the fcuking thing was not his goal so it is the end of story - matter closed.

Marca are nothing but a rag newspaper - they dont set rules and regulations and they sure as fcuk cannot award someone a goal and have it officially recognised!

I suggest that you pick up any newspaper in Spain that is not Marca and you will quite clearly see that none of them award make believe goals.

There is a reason that everybody else is running 38 and that includes, newspapers, tv and radio etc. and that is because it is the official figure - simples.

If they wish to award an imaginary goal for the purposes of their own award then it is really up to them - considering it is not an official award the LFP wouldnt be concerned.

I really dont know what else to say except for that nobody should ever take what they read, hear or see from Marca with anything other than a very large pinch of salt.

I mean this organisation is so blatantly biased toward the establishment that they even make AS look like an impartial media outlet ffs and even they dont recognise this imaginary goal.

If anyone can speak Spanish then I suggest you pick yourselves up a copy and it will go like so: 20 pages Real Madrid, 3 Pages Atleti, 3 Pages rest of la Liga, 3 Pages other Sports and about 10 pages of advertisments half of which will be Real Madrid related.

They should really just rename the whole fcuking organisation like so:

MARCA Newspaper - Real Madrid Newspaper
MARCA TV - Real Madrid TV
Radio MARCA - Radio Real Madrid
MARCA Sports Café - Real Madrid Café

The only thing MARCA ever do that doesnt show bias toward Real Madrid is when they acknowledge Messi as the best player in the World and in fairness to them it is something they have done frequently over the past 3 years - about the only thing I would give them credit for although they did have that one ludicrous article were they tallied up a load of one to tens :rolleyes:

PHB

It's defo pepe's goal.

That said, I thought the golden boot was based on league goals. Ronaldo has 38. Messi has 31.

It's 2 points per goal for a goal in a top 4 league.

Dolph Starbeam

It won't really be controversial, if the season were to finish now with Messi ahead by one goal it would be right.

I'd be pretty sure when UEFA tot up the goals at the end of the season they will look to the SFF to see how many goals Ronaldo scored in La Liga and not Marca. And rightly so.

As has been said already it is right for the goal to be awarded to Pepe, it last touched him, it took a massive deflection and because it hot Pepe and not an opposition player then the goal goes down for the player that touched it last.

Not that any of this will really matter as I believe Ronaldo will get at least 2 this weekend, where Messi will probably be rested again.

Either way I think the award is pretty meaningless, both players have had phenomenal seasons whoever wins.

CorkMan

redout wrote: »

Why the fcuk are you even debating this ?

The LFP goals panel deemed the fcuking thing was not his goal so it is the end of story - matter closed.

Marca are nothing but a rag newspaper - they dont set rules and regulations and they sure as fcuk cannot award someone a goal and have it officially recognised!

I suggest that you pick up any newspaper in Spain that is not Marca and you will quite clearly see that none of them award make believe goals.

There is a reason that everybody else is running 38 and that includes, newspapers, tv and radio etc. and that is because it is the official figure - simples.

If they wish to award an imaginary goal for the purposes of their own award then it is really up to them - considering it is not an official award the LFP wouldnt be concerned.

I really dont know what else to say except for that nobody should ever take what they read, hear or see from Marca with anything other than a very large pinch of salt.

I mean this organisation is so blatantly biased toward the establishment that they even make AS look like an impartial media outlet ffs and even they dont recognise this imaginary goal.

If anyone can speak Spanish then I suggest you pick yourselves up a copy and it will go like so: 20 pages Real Madrid, 3 Pages Atleti, 3 Pages rest of la Liga, 3 Pages other Sports and about 10 pages of advertisments half of which will be Real Madrid related.

They should really just rename the whole fcuking organisation like so:

MARCA Newspaper - Real Madrid Newspaper
MARCA TV - Real Madrid TV
Radio MARCA - Radio Real Madrid
MARCA Sports Café - Real Madrid Café

The only thing MARCA ever do that doesnt show bias toward Real Madrid is when they acknowledge Messi as the best player in the World and in fairness to them it is something they have done frequently over the past 3 years - about the only thing I would give them credit for although they did have that one ludicrous article were they tallied up a load of one to tens :rolleyes:

Maybe all Catalan players should toss away their Pichichi trophies and let their be a Catalan top scorer award.

PHB

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Golden_Shoe

Yep. It's defo based on league goals. As such, the golden boot winner is almost certainly Ronaldo.

Rob113

This has to settle the argument once and for all. Ronaldo himself yesterday -

Cristiano Ronaldo (@Cristiano)
16/05/2011 18:16
I'm very proud of this weekend- I wasn't sure I'd score twice, and match Hugo Sanchez and Zarra's record.

The record he refers to is 38 league goals. That's what he regards himself as having.

daveyboy_1ie

Does it matter who a newspaper gave it too? It's the Spanish FA's decision.

Rob113

Thinks it's the newspaper that gives the award

redout

CorkMan wrote: »

Maybe all Catalan players should toss away their Pichichi trophies and let their be a Catalan top scorer award.

It really gets under your skin that Messi is widely regarded as not only the worlds best but also potentially the greatest ever by some. Do you really think that Ronaldo winning the Pichichi this season will somehow change all that? Do you think it is solely goals that make him the best? If it is the only thing you have left to bash us with after we easily beat you to the league, humiliated you in front of the world last november and eliminated you from the champions whilst not even at our best then by all means carry on because the individual awards are what really count :rolleyes: sure while you are harping on about individual awards let's not forget that our chap holds the most prestigious of them all for the past 2 seasons and has a great chance of making it 3. Ronaldo is a top player make no mistake about it and was at one time the worlds best but the fact is he hasn't been the best for the past 3 seasons.

Dolph Starbeam

Marca give the award for the Pichichi, I presume UEFA will count the goals that have been recorded by the SFF.

3hn2givr7mx1sc

redout, do you knock one out every night whilst thinking of Lionel Messi?

redout

baz2009 wrote: »

redout, do you knock one out every night whilst thinking of Lionel Messi?

No I am too old to be able to knock one out every night at this stage. That sort of thing is for the young schoolboys like yourself.

CorkMan

redout wrote: »

It really gets under your skin that Messi is widely regarded as not only the worlds best but also potentially the greatest ever by some. Do you really think that Ronaldo winning the Pichichi this season will somehow change all that? Do you think it is solely goals that make him the best? If it is the only thing you have left to bash us with after we easily beat you to the league, humiliated you in front of the world last november and eliminated you from the champions whilst not even at our best then by all means carry on because the individual awards are what really count :rolleyes: sure while you are harping on about individual awards let's not forget that our chap holds the most prestigious of them all for the past 2 seasons and has a great chance of making it 3. Ronaldo is a top player make no mistake about it and was at one time the worlds best but the fact is he hasn't been the best for the past 3 seasons.

I just think it bothers you that C.Ronaldo has 39 league goals this season (highly like to get 40+) while Messi has 31 league goals. That hits at your mind state of "God is the very best". Also, Pele scored the World Cup 1958 winner when he was 17, don't you not know that. It is obvious for being classified "as the best of all time" a World Cup winners medal is needed. Many players have scored bucketload of goals (Puskas, Muller, Di Stefano....Zarra, etc) but don't appear to be put up there with Pele and Maradona.

BTW don't go on about the teams. I think the fact that Real Madrid have 9 European Cups and 31 Liga's proves they are superior, not a single match in 1 season. Besides Real Madrid have won La Liga 5 times in a row twice, Barca have yet to hit 4 in their history.

CorkMan

baz2009 wrote: »

redout, do you knock one out every night whilst thinking of Lionel Messi?

SantryRed

Aw man. Ronaldo has 38 goals. Also, if Ronaldo played for Barcelona he would not have 70 goals. ALSO, if Ronaldo played for Barca, they would be no where near as effective, especially defensively.

dagdha

CorkMan wrote: »

I just think it bothers you that C.Ronaldo has 39 league goals this season (highly like to get 40+) while Messi has 31 league goals. That hits at your mind state of "God is the very best". Also, Pele scored the World Cup 1958 winner when he was 17, don't you not know that. It is obvious for being classified "as the best of all time" a World Cup winners medal is needed. Many players have scored bucketload of goals (Puskas, Muller, Di Stefano....Zarra, etc) but don't appear to be put up there with Pele and Maradona.

BTW don't go on about the teams. I think the fact that Real Madrid have 9 European Cups and 31 Liga's proves they are superior, not a single match in 1 season. Besides Real Madrid have won La Liga 5 times in a row twice, Barca have yet to hit 4 in their history.

Correct me if I'm wrong but did'nt Cruyffs team win it four times in a row early to mid nineties?

ziedth

I thought it made a difference if the player is on the same team as you.

Think of those inswinging freekicks when taken the attacking teams player gets a head on it and only gives it more height or speed but the ball would technically be going in anyway. I never hear people saying it should be the free kick takers goal.

CorkMan

dagdha wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong but did'nt Cruyffs team win it four times in a row early to mid nineties?

Not according to Guillum Balague.

ziedth wrote: »

I thought it made a difference if the player is on the same team as you.

Think of those inswinging freekicks when taken the attacking teams player gets a head on it and only gives it more height or speed but the ball would technically be going in anyway. I never hear people saying it should be the free kick takers goal.

Maybe they should make a rule that out of the team that scores, there should be a choice for who gets the goal.

28064212

CorkMan wrote: »

Not according to Guillum Balague.

So you're taking the word of a journalist over the official records? Wait, I've seen that somewhere before...

redout

CorkMan wrote: »

I just think it bothers you that C.Ronaldo has 39 league goals this season (highly like to get 40+) while Messi has 31 league goals. That hits at your mind state of "God is the very best". Also, Pele scored the World Cup 1958 winner when he was 17, don't you not know that. It is obvious for being classified "as the best of all time" a World Cup winners medal is needed. Many players have scored bucketload of goals (Puskas, Muller, Di Stefano....Zarra, etc) but don't appear to be put up there with Pele and Maradona.

BTW don't go on about the teams. I think the fact that Real Madrid have 9 European Cups and 31 Liga's proves they are superior, not a single match in 1 season. Besides Real Madrid have won La Liga 5 times in a row twice, Barca have yet to hit 4 in their history.

I and I assume many others are comfortable in the belief that Messi is the best player on the planet regardless of someone else scoring more league goals. A world cup winners medal required? Nonsense. In the past perhaps so but in the modern era the standard of club football far outstrips the international game. Unless you are from a very small handful of countries the possibility of ever winning one is out of reach of the vast majority of players. Sure the odds of Ronaldo ever being able to get one must be remote. Why are you insisting on dwelling on the past? We are in the here and now and in the here and now Messi and Barca are top dogs. Cruyff won it 4 times on the spin btw.

dagdha

CorkMan wrote: »

Not according to Guillum Balague.

He is'nt Joe La Liga:pac:. 90/91, 91/92, 92/93, 93,94 winners.

redout

CorkMan wrote: »

Not according to Guillum Balague.

Mother of god. Do you have a link to that?

CorkMan

We'll let the Golden Boot see who is the best player. Now these mysterious values to talk about.

redout

CorkMan wrote: »

We'll let the Golden Boot see who is the best player. Now these mysterious values to talk about.

No we won't because people, well most people that is, won't rely on an award that the likes of Ally McCoist and Kevin Phillips have obtained to inform them of who is the worlds greatest player.

Dolph Starbeam

CorkMan wrote: »

We'll let the Golden Boot see who is the best player. Now these mysterious values to talk about.

Because that way suits you better?

The golden boot will only show us one thing, who has scored more League goals this season.

The Ballon d'Or/Fifa world player of the year I reckon is a better judge of who the best player in the world is and seeing as Messi has won that 2 years in a row I think it is fair to say Messi is the better player.

Can we just forget all about this argument though, it's pointless, and we will never agree with each other. Both are great players now just leave it at that.

CorkMan

redout wrote: »

Mother of god. Do you have a link to that?

I heard it on the radio, I didn't see it online.

BTW, about some teams not being remetely able to win the World Cup, aren't Argentina well able to win it? Especially with Messi, sure weren't we all expecting him replicate Maradona's 1986 feat, glorious the way Maradona won it, maybe even that bit better? Were you know disappointed, redout, that Messi failed to score at the tournament? Disappointed when he disappeared for large periods of group games? Maybe a good dribble once in a while then quietness for long segments.

Oh, of course Spain won it for the 1st time last year, take them off the "team remotely not able to win the World Cup list" please.

keane2097

CorkMan wrote: »

I heard it on the radio, I didn't see it online.

BTW, about some teams not being remetely able to win the World Cup, aren't Argentina well able to win it? Especially with Messi, sure weren't we all expecting him replicate Maradona's 1986 feat, glorious the way Maradona won it, maybe even that bit better? Were you know disappointed, redout, that Messi failed to score at the tournament? Disappointed when he disappeared for large periods of group games? Maybe a good dribble once in a while then quietness for long segments.

Oh, of course Spain won it for the 1st time last year, take them off the "team remotely not able to win the World Cup list" please.

You don't watch soccer at all, do you?

CorkMan

Also, I reckon if C.Ronaldo wasn't injured a lot for last year Real Madrid would have done much better, won the league IMO. He made 35 appearances, scoring 33 goals while Messi played 53 games and scored 47.

C.Ronaldo had the better goalscoring record, but got injured. But I think if he didn't the league could have been different. I am not going to go to the BBC website and look up the La Liga table, but I think it was 99 points Barca and 97/96 points Madrid. If C.Ronaldo scored an extra 16/17 that could have paid dues.

keane2097

CorkMan wrote: »

Also, I reckon if C.Ronaldo wasn't injured a lot for last year Real Madrid would have done much better, won the league IMO. He made 35 appearances, scoring 33 goals while Messi played 53 games and scored 47.

C.Ronaldo had the better goalscoring record, but got injured. But I think if he didn't the league could have been different. I am not going to go to the BBC website and look up the La Liga table, but I think it was 99 points Barca and 97/96 points Madrid. If C.Ronaldo scored an extra 16/17 that could have paid dues.

Ronaldo wouldn't lace Messi's boots tbh.

CorkMan

keane2097 wrote: »

Ronaldo wouldn't lace Messi's boots tbh.

Why do you say that? Look at the stats, they don't lie. Maybe it is the Sky hype that has gone into your head. The same way they hyped up Ronaldinho years ago, (though he was great), but the hype is only bigger now.

keane2097

CorkMan wrote: »

Why do you say that? Look at the stats, they don't lie. Maybe it is the Sky hype that has gone into your head. The same way they hyped up Ronaldinho years ago, (though he was great), but the hype is only bigger now.

The stats and the awards all show Messi is the man.

Marca have to tell lies about goals to put Ronaldo anywhere near Messi.

Your blinded by the Ronaldo PR machine.

I'd say you loved David Beckham as well.

CorkMan

keane2097 wrote: »

The stats and the awards all show Messi is the man.

Marca have to tell lies about goals to put Ronaldo anywhere near Messi.

Your blinded by the Ronaldo PR machine.

I'd say you loved David Beckham as well.

I dislike David Beckham, he moved to Real Madrid in 2003 when he wasn't needed and his arrival got rid of Makelele, an essential player. He was not needed in the team, wasn't good enough and was never as good as he was in England, when he was a very good squad player.

About the bolded sentence, why do you think this? Please tell my why. Don't you recognize C.Ronaldo got 51/52 goals this season? He got 38/39 league goals, a record either way? The league has been there since 1929 and it has only happened twice before. If C.Ronaldo got 25 goals this season I would say Messi is the better player, but there is no reason for me to say that.

Plus about the rewards, Messi won the ballon d'or 1st time alright. But, as is 100% evident from this season, his main competitor was injured for a good bit last season. If C.Ronaldo got 50+ goals last season in around as many games, and won La Liga for Real Madrid he would have challenged big time for the award.

redout

CorkMan wrote: »

I heard it on the radio, I didn't see it online.

BTW, about some teams not being remetely able to win the World Cup, aren't Argentina well able to win it? Especially with Messi, sure weren't we all expecting him replicate Maradona's 1986 feat, glorious the way Maradona won it, maybe even that bit better? Were you know disappointed, redout, that Messi failed to score at the tournament? Disappointed when he disappeared for large periods of group games? Maybe a good dribble once in a while then quietness for long segments.

Oh, of course Spain won it for the 1st time last year, take them off the "team remotely not able to win the World Cup list" please.

So more hearsay then?

Yeah Argentina are certainly one of the few teams who are capable. Messi didn't have a poor world cup. He practically done everything but score. He struck the woodwork several times and assisted several goals. Argentina wouldn't have made the quarters without him. He scored at a world cup when he was 18.

Now you are harping on about stats :rolleyes: Fine. Go and compare boths apps, goals and assists from their careers to date if that makes you happy.

28064212

CorkMan wrote: »

Also, I reckon if C.Ronaldo wasn't injured a lot for last year Real Madrid would have done much better, won the league IMO. He made 35 appearances, scoring 33 goals while Messi played 53 games and scored 47.

Oh FFS, would you ever stop talking such shíte.

Firstly, if you're going to talk about the league, you could at least compare their league records. Messi had 34 in 35, Ronaldo had 26 in 29. Secondly, if Ronaldo had been on the pitch all season, you have no idea what effect that would have had on Higuain, who was in the form of his life. Thirdly, Barcelona won it 4 times in a row. If you're going to make statements of fact, at least look them up before you make yourself look stupid

Fourthly, and on-topic, Marca have apparently decided to redefine how they count goals for no reason other than to credit Ronaldo with an extra one. It's almost exactly what they did with the photo-shopped offside goal. Even though Ronaldo was going to win the league goals award anyway, Marca feel the need to bump up his stats. It's absolutely ridiculous behaviour, and they do it for no reason other than to create controversy. If they were serious about it, they'd have their own equivalent of the Dubious Goals Committee, and review every single goal every weekend. But they don't, so they magically change how they count them because he plays for Real

keane2097

CorkMan wrote: »

I dislike David Beckham, he moved to Real Madrid in 2003 when he wasn't needed and his arrival got rid of Makelele, an essential player. He was not needed in the team, wasn't good enough and was never as good as he was in England, when he was a very good squad player.

About the bolded sentence, why do you think this? Please tell my why. Don't you recognize C.Ronaldo got 51/52 goals this season? He got 38/39 league goals, a record either way? The league has been there since 1929 and it has only happened twice before. If C.Ronaldo got 25 goals this season I would say Messi is the better player, but there is no reason for me to say that.

Plus about the rewards, Messi won the ballon d'or 1st time alright. But, as is 100% evident from this season, his main competitor was injured for a good bit last season. If C.Ronaldo got 50+ goals last season in around as many games, and won La Liga for Real Madrid he would have challenged big time for the award.

Messi has destroyed Ronaldo and his ten bully-boy buddies on his own half a dozen times this season.

You've been listening to too much Andy Grey and his "Stoke on a Tuesday night" stuff.

I hope you don't take your opinions on all aspects of life from Andy or you'll never get a girlfriend.

staker

Having seen both of them in the Nou Camp and the Berneabeau,I know who I'd prefer in my team.
Both treated like Gods on home soil,revered beyond belief,CR7 doesn't even come close to the skill and passion Messi has.
Sure the statistics are there in black and white,but deep down everybody knows we're looking at something extra special when he receives the ball.
And I'm a RM supporter:rolleyes:

keane2097

redout wrote: »

So more hearsay then?

Yeah Argentina are certainly one of the few teams who are capable. Messi didn't have a poor world cup. He practically done everything but score. He struck the woodwork several times and assisted several goals. Argentina wouldn't have made the quarters without him. He scored at a world cup when he was 18.

Now you are harping on about stats :rolleyes: Fine. Go and compare boths apps, goals and assists from their careers to date if that makes you happy.

Don't worry dude, I got this one.

CorkMan

keane2097 wrote: »

Messi has destroyed Ronaldo and his ten bully-boy buddies on his own half a dozen times this season.

You've been listening to too much Andy Grey and his "Stoke on a Tuesday night" stuff.

I hope you don't take your opinions on all aspects of life from Andy or you'll never get a girlfriend.

LOL
LOL
@ bolded comment.

Gray fell for[vague] the former Olympic gymnast Suzanne Dando when she landed a job alongside him on Sky Sports in 1999. Gray told tabloid reporters that his womanising days were over: "With age, I hope, comes maturity, I certainly do not see myself with anyone else"[11]

Until recently he was engaged to Rachel Lewis, an ex-model and the former wife of his long-time friend and agent[12] and he wants to return to live in Back, Outer Hebrides on the Isle of Lewis in the near future.

Gray has married twice, to Vanessa Taylor and Jacqueline Cherry. He has fathered five children, by four different women – his two ex-wives and former girlfriends Sara Matthews and Janet Trigg.[13]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Gray_%28footballer_born_1955%29#Personal_life

CorkMan

repeat post.

Liam O

lot of hyperbole on each side here tbh, the comments of either being significantly better than the other are just stupid, they are far and away ahead of everyone else in the game atm and both have different roles in their teams that they both perform as close to perfection as I've seen players do. Splitting them is difficult as Messi is helped by a superior team but I'd probably take him. It also depends on the situation too and I know it's become a joke scenario but I would rather have Ronaldo 90% of the time on a cold, wet evening at Stoke

CorkMan

It's scary to think what C.Ronaldo would score if he had Xavi and Iniesta supplying him :eek:

(especially on a cool, 24 degrees celcius night on a pitch made of fur in the South of Spain)

staker

"The little Argentinian really does strive for Calatan independence doesn't he "- Corkman

No, he just fights harder for the team when he loses possession rather than looking towards the camera or ref and preening himself as if he were a rare peacock.