Queens Visit and GOH etc

steve9859

Utrinque Paratus wrote: »

quoteIt was a great ceremony and as good as anything you see put on by the British

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..................Troop in the colour, Queens colour sqn, household cavelry, kings troop Royal Marines drill company, kings troop RHA Saluting Battery ?

It was well done and looked good, but lets not get carried away.

For its scale it was. As well drilled and choreographed as any ceremony that that our more militaristic European neighbours would put on. Its not like our defence forces do that every day like some countries!

gizmo555

xflyer wrote: »

It's the traditional full dress uniform as used in the 1930s. Seems to be based on the French model with particularly the Kepi. It's far from anything like the Artane boys band uniform. It's a very traditional military full dress uniform.

Not that far off the one on the bottom right, which was what I had in mind:

Donny5

Utrinque Paratus wrote: »

The previous poster made the claim.

For a small nation it was well done and compares to well to most European nations, but larger nations have ceremonial units hence why they look so impressive in terms of uniforms, drill, field guns etc, so the posters claim had to be challenged.

Well, I suggest you take the high road and politely decline to comment on others' hyperbole. As you well know, the United Kingdom's Armed Forces' reputation is secure enough not to be in need of defence on various internet fora.

Utrinque Paratus

steve9859 wrote: »

For its scale it was. As well drilled and choreographed as any ceremony that that our more militaristic European neighbours would put on. Its not like our defence forces do that every day like some countries!

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As well drilled and choreographed as any ceremony that that our more militaristic European neighbours would put on.

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Ok Im wrong and you are right it was just as choreographed and well drilled as the 300 drill movements the Queens Colour sqn perform.


Why do you need to make OTT claims ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk0qyBiqdAE

Utrinque Paratus

xflyer wrote: »

Yes we get it UP, you don't like the Irish Defence Forces and you particularly don't like anyone taking pride in the Defence Forces. You made that abundantly clear in previous posts. You like to disguise it by making pedantic comments. But you know, pedants are just as irritating. Your intervention was unneccessary and pointless. You join my ignore list now. Goodbye.



It's the traditional full dress uniform as used in the 1930s. Seems to be based on the French model with particularly the Kepi. It's far from anything like the Artane boys band uniform. It's a very traditional military full dress uniform.

How does giving a fair apprasial make me anti Irish defence forces ? :rolleyes:

I said it was good to fair and well done for a small nation with no drill school etc.


I would have prefered if the medals had been court mounted, Im not keen on the weapons drill, as it makes it look like soldiers are swaying as rifles are slung across the body when marching and some of the honour guard should have kept eyes front at all times, ceremonial field guns would also looked better.

Apart from those little things which an untrained eye would not notice it was good.

Utrinque Paratus

Donny5 wrote: »

Well, I suggest you take the high road and politely decline to comment on others' hyperbole. As you well know, the United Kingdom's Armed Forces' reputation is secure enough not to be in need of defence on various internet fora.

Thanks but I throught this was a military discussion forum as opposed to somewhere people all have to nod in agreement.

goldie fish

The 25 Pdrs are ceremonial guns. They are only used for ceremonial.

Utrinque Paratus

goldie fish wrote: »

The 25 Pdrs are ceremonial guns. They are only used for ceremonial.

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/25_Pounder_Gun.JPG&imgrefurl=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:25_Pounder_Gun.JPG&usg=__N49871JPC6FHgHYGeK6BoqNMIco=&h=1704&w=2272&sz=895&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=Hc4cgqtGOg6RBM:&tbnh=157&tbnw=209&ei=1lLUTbveBoOx8gOk7ajqCg&prev=/search%3Fq%3D25%2Bpounder%2Bguns%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D1271%26bih%3D626%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=367&vpy=86&dur=524&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=200&ty=113&sqi=2&page=1&ndsp=15&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0


I know know they are no longer in use,but they are not attractive to look at. They are too small.

As there are no older field guns to call on,105mm field guns would look more impressive.

vampire of kilmainham

davetherave wrote: »

Ah would ya give over, if anybody was a bit slack then they wouldn't be on a GOH.

Looking back at the highlights on the news, the guy at the end is wearing a F/Sgt's rank marking so that would tie in with the NCO i/c theory.

I also heard the distinctive clink of a medal hitting the ground when the honour guard presented arms

"Cúirtéis den banríon Éilís a do"...Who ever that we would have heard that?

cuirteis do banrion Eilis a do gard onorah
gard tarraigaigh airm.

vampire of kilmainham

V Bull wrote: »

Close-up view..


I think she is wearing 3 pips on her shoulder pads...Capt alright..

yes 3 pips is a cpt.. 2pips 1st lieut.. 1pip 2nd lieut...

vampire of kilmainham

dodgydes wrote: »

Ref the OP, there were two lines, one not in this shot. The shortass on the end is the senior NCO. They are arranged so that when they march into position parallel to the red carpet, they are in the right order.

Disclaimer: i know that Makikomi is probably only taking the piss, but there are people here that could use any excuse to diss the fine display the DF put on today

your totally right the army allways put on a great show and they really put on a fantastic show for the queens visit well done lads

Manic Moran

Utrinque Paratus wrote: »

I know know they are no longer in use,but they are not attractive to look at. They are too small.

?!

I think the 25pr on the Carriage Mk1 is one of the most attractive field guns out there.

And so what about size? The US Army does well enough with a 75mm pack howitzer.



The Old Guard uses 3" Anti-tank guns, also of smaller calibre than a 25pr


NTM

BlaasForRafa

Utrinque Paratus wrote: »

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/25_Pounder_Gun.JPG&imgrefurl=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:25_Pounder_Gun.JPG&usg=__N49871JPC6FHgHYGeK6BoqNMIco=&h=1704&w=2272&sz=895&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=Hc4cgqtGOg6RBM:&tbnh=157&tbnw=209&ei=1lLUTbveBoOx8gOk7ajqCg&prev=/search%3Fq%3D25%2Bpounder%2Bguns%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D1271%26bih%3D626%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=367&vpy=86&dur=524&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=200&ty=113&sqi=2&page=1&ndsp=15&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0


I know know they are no longer in use,but they are not attractive to look at. They are too small.

As there are no older field guns to call on,105mm field guns would look more impressive.

If the 25pdr was good enough for monty to smash the Afrika Korps with then its good enough for our forces to use for ceremonial duties.

arybvtcw0eolkf

I can't find anything better than this photos online, but here's the 25 pounder in Mullingar;



And a British 25 pound, and save for the union flag decal its a carbon copy of the Irish 25 pounder, now used only as a ceremonial gun.

Morpheus

Cool, looks immaculate as always.

What about the 2 batteries of ceremonial guns (each of 6 Coastal Defence 12 pounders) 1 is based in Dun Laoighaire Harbour and the other on Spike Island I believe?

Any photos of these?

roundymac

Morphéus wrote: »

Cool, looks immaculate as always.

What about the 2 batteries of ceremonial guns (each of 6 Coastal Defence 12 pounders) 1 is based in Dun Laoighaire Harbour and the other on Spike Island I believe?

Any photos of these?

No ceremonial guns on Spike. Spike is now in the hands of Cork Co Co. There is as far as I know one 6'' coastal artillery piece still there, now decommisioned, but I am open tp correction.

goldie fish

The Saluting battery is on Fort davis, the guns having been moved from spike in 1988. There is at least one Coastal Defence gun still in place underground on spike, covering the harbour approach..

jaycarlow

Fair play to the Defence forces for a small country we should be proud of what men and women represent us around the world

One other thing tho that Range Rover in the above picture has an 11 D Irish Reg yet there is a British Tax Disc on display


Is that a number plate used by the Goverment for foreign diplomatic cars??

goldie fish

jaycarlow wrote: »

Fair play to the Defence forces for a small country we should be proud of what men and women represent us around the world

One other thing tho that Range Rover in the above picture has an 11 D Irish Reg yet there is a British Tax Disc on display


Is that a number plate used by the Goverment for foreign diplomatic cars??

Yes.

SamuelFox

Whats with the uniform amendments - the red/green/gold combo on the motorcycle outrider and the red band on the Air Corps Officers' cap? Is this a general thing or in honour of the Great White Chief?

goldie fish

The Motorcyclists uniform is changed well over a year. The Pipers is new.

Got favourable comments from the media, who found the normal GoH uniforms a bit plain...

Morpheus

Been saying this for ages, the number ones look sh*te to be honest. Although to change it would be a major mistake, far more important things to spend a very very limited budget on.

V Bull

SamuelFox wrote: »

Whats with the uniform amendments - and the red band on the Air Corps Officers' cap? Is this a general thing or in honour of the Great White Chief?

Air Corps Police NCO, me thinks, not an officer. Just like the Army Military Police (P.A.) red band cap..

Husqvarna

Utrinque Paratus wrote: »

quoteIt was a great ceremony and as good as anything you see put on by the British

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..................Troop in the colour, Queens colour sqn, household cavelry, kings troop Royal Marines drill company, kings troop RHA Saluting Battery ?

It was well done and looked good, but lets not get carried away.

Just for info, the ceremony you're referring to is Trooping The Colour, not as you referred to it. And it's also cavalry, not cavelry.

goldie fish

Husqvarna wrote: »

Just for info, the ceremony you're referring to is Trooping The Colour, not as you referred to it. And it's also cavalry, not cavelry.

And he pretends to be a member of the UK Military......