First 3 months of Fine Gael/Labour Government. How have they done so far?

Chucky the tree

thebman wrote: »

Right so your unwilling to hold politicians to what they say before an election which is ridiculous as you can't vote for anybody if they are presenting you with fairy tale policies.

And hell with the last one your just saying we are too stupid to even try to have a functioning democracy.

Most people are smart enough to be told the truth and do what is right IMO but in Ireland, it hasn't been tried yet so how would we know?

People voted for FG to change and make cuts which was bad for them. If they really wanted to be clueless and vote for fairy tales they would have voted for the SWP or United Left Alliance etc...

Most people aren't smart enough, that's nearly every other political party in every other country is the same. Look at the Lib Dems in England, didn't exactly honour there situation.

People who voted for FG wanted cuts to the public sector, so I'd say not many public sector vote for FG and voted for Labour instead, which is most likely why FG didn't get a full majority. Most people who voted for Fine Gael would have been private sector middle and upper class who didn't want a increase in income tax or a third level of income tax like Labour were proposing. Obviously there will be expections to this but for the majority it is fairly accurate.

thebman

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Most people aren't smart enough, that's nearly every other political party in every other country is the same. Look at the Lib Dems in England, didn't exactly honour there situation.

People who voted for FG wanted cuts to the public sector, so I'd say not many public sector vote for FG and voted for Labour instead, which is most likely why FG didn't get a full majority. Most people who voted for Fine Gael would have been private sector middle and upper class who didn't want a increase in income tax or a third level of income tax like Labour were proposing. Obviously there will be expections to this but for the majority it is fairly accurate.

Well true but the UK has something in common with the Irish in that it is a coalition at the moment. I think that makes lying and blaming it on the coalition partner easier similar to what we have seen in Ireland with FF demolishing their coalition partners for the past 10 years and it could happen Labour now too.

Malpaisian

Deleted User wrote: »

... over the last several weeks their election manifesto has begun to be seen more and more as having been wishful thinking in comparison to the reality of what they can acomplish in office.

"Wishful thinking" .... That's such a quaint name for bare-faced lies!

Slydice

Slydice wrote: »

have any bankers been put in jail?

hmmm, I still haven't seen any bankers put in jail

I've seen articles saying that bertie ahern is still gauging money out of the taxpayer though

kiermul

and you wont see any either

Slydice

kiermul wrote: »

and you wont see any either

It's certainly looking that way.

Iceland currently have their former prime minister on trial and have already jailed bankers.

We haven't jailed anyone (well... apart from the regulars and probably a rise in people not being able to afford TV licenses)

Liam Byrne

Chucky the tree wrote: »

For the most part the electorate are far to simple to be told the truth and then do what's right.

As one of the electorate, I find that statement insulting.

And if we're talking about "what's right", even if I were useless at it I would be a million times better at it than most politicians.

Particular since one of the things that's "right" to do is to be honest and work to the best of your ability at your job, not lie to get elected and then proceed to condone corruption and line your own pockets.

Slydice

Slydice wrote: »

It's certainly looking that way.

Iceland currently have their former prime minister on trial and have already jailed bankers.

We haven't jailed anyone (well... apart from the regulars and probably a rise in people not being able to afford TV licenses)

Hmmm...

saw a tweet there about how a woman is in jail three weeks over not letting the ESB onto her land...

but that no banker has gone to jail yet

Slydice

Jaysus, just remembered this thread when I read this:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056572905

It's been a year now and no banker/politician behind bars.

CB19Kevo wrote: »

6 years jail for garlic scam
http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0309/begleyp.html

''The head of Ireland's largest fruit and vegetable producers has been jailed for six years for a €1.6m scam involving the importation of garlic.
Paul Begley, 46, avoided paying customs duty on over 1,000 tonnes of garlic from China by having them labelled as apples.

with a heavily thanked reply saying:

mikom wrote: »

And still not one banker jailed........

kiermul

it seems total madness to jail someone for 6 years for a €1.6m "Garlic Fraud" and still not one person healt responsible for The mess the banks are in.

Chucky the tree

kiermul wrote: »

it seems total madness to jail someone for 6 years for a €1.6m "Garlic Fraud" and still not one person healt responsible for The mess the banks are in.

Considering it's taken 5 years for Garlic man to be done it's hardly that surprising.

Slydice

Slydice wrote: »

Jaysus, just remembered this thread when I read this:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056572905

It's been a year now and no banker/politician behind bars.

Still no banker in Jail.

At this point, even the Judges are probably wondering wtf is the hold up on anyone being brought before them.

The Irish Times - Saturday, June 2, 2012
Are we there yet, Appleby and DPP?
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2012/0602/1224317133028.html

The investigations into Anglo Irish Bank have been “almost complete” for more than a year now, so yesterday’s pronouncements from the Director of Corporate Enforcement and the Minister for Justice that the investigations were almost there shouldn’t lead to national euphoria.

Corporate enforcer Paul Appleby was asked about Mr Justice Peter Kelly’s comments earlier this year concerning the slow pace of the investigation. It was “a matter of some understandable disappointment”, he said, but he hoped the judge would be happy with the progress made when the ODCE is in court again on July 28th.

and

Weeks have turned into months and no charges have yet been brought. The waiting game on Anglo prosecutions continues.

Slydice

Slydice wrote: »

Jaysus, just remembered this thread when I read this:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056572905

It's been a year now and no banker/politician behind bars.

Slydice wrote: »

Still no banker in Jail.

At this point, even the Judges are probably wondering wtf is the hold up on anyone being brought before them.

The Irish Times - Saturday, June 2, 2012
Are we there yet, Appleby and DPP?
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2012/0602/1224317133028.html
and

Just remembered this thread again. I don't think any banker is in jail yet.

Doesn't look like there'll be even any movement in court until next year either.

Anglo executive given immunity deal by the DPP
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/anglo-executive-given-immunity-deal-by-the-dpp-1.1521627
Matt Moran was Anglo’s chief financial officer when the bank was nationalised
Tue, Sep 10, 2013, 14:27

The DPP would not answer any questions as to why the immunity deal had been granted.

“This office does not comment on individual cases,” said a spokeswoman for the DPP. “I would add that the case is of course pending before the courts and due for trial in January 2014.”

Slydice

So, looks like the first trial has ended with no bankers in Jail.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/anglo-trial-sean-fitzpatrick-not-guilty-on-all-counts-1.1763802
Anglo trial: Sean FitzPatrick not guilty on all counts
Wed, Apr 16, 2014, 20:56
First published: Wed, Apr 16, 2014, 11:12

Former chairman of Anglo Irish Bank Seán FitzPatrick was acquitted on all charges against him at the Dublin Circuit Criminal Court this evening.

and

McAteer and Whelan spared jail in Anglo case
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/mcateer-and-whelan-spared-jail-in-anglo-case-1.1777520
Fiona Gartland
Tue, Apr 29, 2014, 21:36
First published: Tue, Apr 29, 2014, 11:48

Two former directors of Anglo Irish Bank convicted of providing unlawful loans to 10 businessmen to buy shares in the bank will not be jailed, a judge at the Dublin Circuit Criminal court has ruled.

I think another trial is due in the Autumn. Will have to see how that goes I guess.

Slydice

So, another year has gone by.

Still no bankers in Jail.

Looks like things are actually going in the other direction at this point.

Seems Bankers were writing answers to questions which the opposition put to Government Ministers:
https://twitter.com/gavinsblog/status/590902511386648576

Gavin Sheridan @gavinsblog
Does anyone see a problem here: *IBRC* were the ones writing Michael Noonan's PQ answer on #siteserv
4:38 PM - 22 Apr 2015

tayto lover

Siteserv and their looking after Denis again will go against them. Scandalous.

Slydice

Right another year gone by and now it's the month for Electing the next Government.

Still no bankers in Jail.

Something to let sink in.


We've had a bankers enquiry and that's about it. It's mainly been considered a waste of time...
The toothless post recession Irish banking report
John Spain @irishcentral February 05,2016 01:09 AM
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/irishvoice/The-toothless-post-recession-Irish-banking-report.html

The bankers who caused all this, apart from a few in Anglo, have got off with not even a slap on the wrist. The big boys in AIB and Bank of Ireland who were the main players in the property bubble are now all moved on to other roles or are retired on massive golden handshakes and huge pensions that the ordinary taxpayer who is paying for the mess can only dream about.

Godge

Slydice wrote: »

Right another year gone by and now it's the month for Electing the next Government.

Still no bankers in Jail.

Something to let sink in.


We've had a bankers enquiry and that's about it. It's mainly been considered a waste of time...
The toothless post recession Irish banking report
John Spain @irishcentral February 05,2016 01:09 AM
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/irishvoice/The-toothless-post-recession-Irish-banking-report.html

Wait a minute, there are three bankers in jail in Ireland

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/anglo-three-sentenced-to-jail-31417785.html

And another sitting in jail awaiting extradition from the US.

Don't let the facts get in the way of the rant though.

Slydice

A rant? Good one.

One of those is already out on appeal. The other two are only waiting on their appeals.

Ex-Anglo Irish Bank official walks free from jail following successful appeal
Ruaidhrí Giblin - 21/12/2015 | 16:37
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/exanglo-irish-bank-official-walks-free-from-jail-following-successful-appeal-34305346.html

Judgment reserved in ex-Anglo officials' appeal case
Friday 15 January 2016 16.12
http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0115/760522-anglo-court/

I won't hold my breath on David Drumm

Godge

Slydice wrote: »

A rant? Good one.

One of those is already out on appeal. The other two are only waiting on their appeals.

Ex-Anglo Irish Bank official walks free from jail following successful appeal
Ruaidhrí Giblin - 21/12/2015 | 16:37
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/exanglo-irish-bank-official-walks-free-from-jail-following-successful-appeal-34305346.html

Judgment reserved in ex-Anglo officials' appeal case
Friday 15 January 2016 16.12
http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0115/760522-anglo-court/

I won't hold my breath on David Drumm

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/david-drumm-instructs-his-lawyers-to-waive-all-his-rights-to-extradition-34432156.html

Drumm has been in jail since October and is now coming home to face trial.

Slydice

Godge wrote: »

Drumm has been in jail since October and is now coming home to face trial.

He's just been in custody while the USA decides if they wanna send him home. He hasn't even seen the inside of an Irish Courtroom yet.

Sean FitzPatrick has dodged some charges already and isn't due back in a court until May

Trial of ex-Anglo chairman Sean FitzPatrick set for May 2016
Oct 12, 2015, 14:28
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/trial-of-ex-anglo-chairman-sean-fitzpatrick-set-for-may-2016-1.2388617

Slydice

Slydice wrote: »

One of those is already out on appeal. The other two are only waiting on their appeals.

And now they're out.

Court of Appeal quashes convictions of two former Anglo officials
BY Post Reporter on March 15, 2016
http://www.businesspost.ie/court-of-appeal-quashes-convictions-of-two-former-anglo-officials/

Will have to wait and see what happens with David Drumm

David Drumm released on bail after surety terms met
Tue, Mar 15, 2016
http://www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/david-drumm-released-on-bail-after-surety-terms-met-1.2573764