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Hannibal Smith

gigino wrote: »

not to mention bringing her to bow to our "freedom fighters"...I wonder what the 200,000 Irish people who volunteered to fight for / with Britain would make of it all..

The ones whose memorial she lay a wreath at this morning you mean?

rounding tattenham Corner

I can't figure out why they are making the poor women go to the bog ball shed, she would be much better heading to the aviva, nicer stadium and nicer part of town

Spudmonkey

Monty Burnz wrote: »

That skanger is throwing a flower at her!

That's where Banksy gets his inspiration from

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_b90j_7F4hXk/TNt8ynpkuQI/AAAAAAAAAI0/3zR4WTVv4Tw/s1600/banksy-flower-thrower-316-p.jpg

gigino

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Yup. I hear day 3 is going to be mostly ghost estates.

lol lol ...she had said we can keep them all, but should'nt we have spent the borrowed money + all the EEC + EC grants a bit better ?

gigino

rounding tattenham Corner wrote: »

I can't figure out why they are making the poor women go to the bog ball shed, she would be much better heading to the aviva, nicer stadium and nicer part of town

before she goes we'll ask her can be borrow a few more billion to help finish regenerating Berties constituency ?

sensibleken

gigino wrote: »

lol lol ...she had said we can keep them all, but should'nt we have spent the borrowed money + all the EEC + EC grants a bit better ?

jesus christ give it a rest. youve been wrong about everything so far, most people would quit

marcsignal

Do you think Mary considered it ?

Hannibal Smith

sensibleken wrote: »

jesus christ give it a rest. youve been wrong about everything so far, most people would quit

You don't think they've got a bee in their bonnet about something do you :eek::D

Dyr

rounding tattenham Corner wrote: »

I can't figure out why they are making the poor women go to the bog ball shed, she would be much better heading to the aviva, nicer stadium and nicer part of town

Probably because croke park has some history to it and is of some cultural significance

unlike the sponsorship stadium and loinstor rogby

smokedeels

Deleted User wrote: »

The tallest man in Ireland showing his support. (top right of the picture)

Selfheal

Lapin wrote: »

Just heard on a radio discussion for the umteenth time this week how the Queen uses her handbag to send code signals to her staff.

I reckon thats all a load of bollox.

Well, I don't know.... I met her two years ago when she was in Hillsborough and we heard a rumour that she wears a re-inforced glove... Makes sense when you think of how many hands she has had to shake today.

Lovely lady by the way. I hope they feel welcome and that the rest of the visit goes well.

MarchDub

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Originally Posted by gigino
not to mention bringing her to bow to our "freedom fighters"...I wonder what the 200,000 Irish people who volunteered to fight for / with Britain would make of it all..

Hannibal Smith wrote: »

The ones whose memorial she lay a wreath at this morning you mean?

I also think it's important to the memory of those Irish who did give their lives in WW I to remember that many signed up under the "Irish Volunteers" of John Redmond and did so because they believed they were serving Irish independence - via support for Home Rule.

Mint Sauce

rounding tattenham Corner wrote: »

I can't figure out why they are making the poor women go to the bog ball shed, she would be much better heading to the aviva, nicer stadium and nicer part of town

Croke park is more apart of our history and sporting culture than Lansdowne Rd is.

Plus the significance of the place and building bridges following the actions of the British Army and the RIC there on Bloody Sunday.

Something that some people are trying to blame the Queen for dispite her not even being born at the time.

Although its possibly suppose to be a sign of reconciliation as her Father the then King would have been Chief of the British Army and probably of the RIC as well.

Hannibal Smith

MarchDub wrote: »

I also think it's important to the memory of those Irish who did give their lives in WW I to remember that many signed up under the "Irish Volunteers" of John Redmond and did so because they believed they were serving Irish independence - via support for Home Rule.

Yes, we were promised Home Rule in exchange for conscription weren't we?

Wolfe Tone

If she doesn't address in her speech what her army have done in this island, while she was head of it, I will be very disappointed and angry as the attempted reconciliation will have been all one sided.

Monty Burnz

irish-stew wrote: »

Croke park is more apart of our history and sporting culture than Lansdowne Rd is.

Plus the significance of the place and building bridges following the actions of the British Army and the RIC there on Bloody Sunday.

Pity the Ulster GAA morons had to piss all over it.

Wolfe Tone

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Pity the Ulster GAA morons had to piss all over it.

They havent had 90 odd years of independence.

rebel without a clue

wonder did she think "one might get the use of the condom iv been carrying in my bag for the last 50 years" when the bauld christy cooney held her arm??

sensibleken

Hannibal Smith wrote: »

Yes, we were promised Home Rule in exchange for conscription weren't we?

No, people were encouraged to join up by Redmond and the Home Rule bill was already passed in 1914, but its implementation had been postponed until the end of the war.

Of course by then it was back off the table as not good enough

Mint Sauce

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Pity the Ulster GAA morons had to piss all over it.

Was it them who declined the invite?

shadowninty

MarchDub wrote: »

I also think it's important to the memory of those Irish who did give their lives in WW I to remember that many signed up under the "Irish Volunteers" of John Redmond and did so because they believed they were serving Irish independence - via support for Home Rule.

I think what he's getting at is that the Queen was essentially paying tribute to terrorists who took advantage of a catastrophic war to destabilize the country; how would many of those who fought and died for Home Rule fighting for the UK feel about that, especially as it was coming down the tracks

Monty Burnz

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

If she doesn't address in her speech what her army have done in this island, while she was head of it, I will be very disappointed and angry as the attempted reconciliation will have been all one sided.

Just for information, she was never 'head' of the army. She's a symbol. S Y M B O L. She didn't spend her time poring over maps and ordering maneouvres, or deciding tactics. No more than McAleese manages the Irish army.

Why is it that Shinners can't ever seem to tell the difference between symbols and reality?

who the fug

irish-stew wrote: »

Croke park is more apart of our history and sporting culture than Lansdowne Rd is.

Plus the significance of the place and building bridges following the actions of the British Army and the RIC there on Bloody Sunday.

Something that some people are trying to blame the Queen for dispite her not even being born at the time.

Although its possibly suppose to be a sign of reconciliation as her Father the then King would have been Chief of the British Army and probably of the RIC as well.

Not the RIC the Dublin Met

Monty Burnz

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

They havent had 90 odd years of independence.

They've had the Good Friday agreement for how long?

shadowninty

Hannibal Smith wrote: »

Yes, we were promised Home Rule in exchange for conscription weren't we?

no

Mint Sauce

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

If she doesn't address in her speech what her army have done in this island, while she was head of it, I will be very disappointed and angry as the attempted reconciliation will have been all one sided.

As much as we would like her too, I would be surprised if she says it verbally. I can see more of the same gestures and significant signs being carried out, ie, the garden of rememberance yesterday and croke park today.

gigino

and in WW2 did'nt 100,000 Irish people join British forces...while DeValera let IRA die in jail

Wolfe Tone

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Just for information, she was never 'head' of the army. She's a symbol. S Y M B O L. She didn't spend her time poring over maps and ordering maneouvres, or deciding tactics. No more than McAleese manages the Irish army.

Why is it that Shinners can't ever seem to tell the difference between symbols and reality?

No, she spent her time giving them medals and ignoring what those soldiers where doing to people who she claims are her subjects.

If she wants to position herself, and claim to be, a symbolic head of the BA of course she should address the negative things her army have done in her name.

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Wolfe Tone wrote: »

If she doesn't address in her speech what her army have done in this island, while she was head of it, I will be very disappointed and angry as the attempted reconciliation will have been all one sided.

I'm not expecting an apology at all. She will undoubtedly acknowledge that certain events that took place were unfortunate and wrong but there won't be an apology for a while yet.

Dyr

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Just for information, she was never 'head' of the army. She's a symbol. S Y M B O L. She didn't spend her time poring over maps and ordering maneouvres, or deciding tactics. No more than McAleese manages the Irish army.

Why is it that Shinners can't ever seem to tell the difference between symbols and reality?

In practice she's not involved in the running of the armed forces but she is most definitely the commander in chief of the british army, there's nothing symbolic about it