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    #1022
    LondonIrish90
    Closed Accounts Posts: 882 ✭✭✭LondonIrish90


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    Ah yes... I remember when Germany apologized to the jews for the holocaust by saying "relations were not always benign"

    Speaking of Germans, 1.5 million British men and countless thousands more from the empire died as a result of German imperialism. Added to that, multiple towns and cities were bombed to oblivion.

    I fail to see similar levels of anti-German sentiment in England nowadays. I think that the relationship between the English and Germans at every level is incredibly stong not even a century since the end of the second world war


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    #1023
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    During the past few days Ireland and britian have shown almost unprecedented efforts to establish a future relationship that goes beyond our shared history. Its safe to say a lot of nations can learn from this.
    No they havent. If they had have Britain would throw open its files and not insist on hiding the truth.


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    #1024
    telekon
    Registered Users Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭telekon


    ragg wrote: »
    The queens visit has been great for this country. I think it's given most of us (well the non retards amoung us) a different perspective on what it is to be "Irish". Too many people define being Irish as being anti British and that is a national embarresment.
    Her speech was great, but she was totally owned by Mary Mc who spoke with such fantastic passion that made me unbelievably proud to be Irish

    Very true. Enough to have made me vote for her in 2004...if we ever had gotten the opportunity...and she wasnt FF.


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    #1025
    ascanbe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭ascanbe


    jack presley wrote: »
    When you owe as many billions as we do, what's another 30 million? It's like me or you owing €100 and borrowing another fiver.

    I'm referring to the fact that Irish tax-payers will be paying off all the money that British banks used to speculate on our property 'boom', not the cost of this visit.


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    #1026
    Dionysus
    Registered Users Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭Dionysus


    jack presley wrote: »
    To be fair, a lot of it is going on Garda overtime so most will be spent in Copper Face Jacks over the next couple of nights so at least it'll create a bit commerce which can only be good for the country.

    True, but if your house is robbed in the next couple of months and there's not a garda in sight, will you be conscious that this excess will be paid for by a reduced service in the community in the coming months?


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    #1027
    Erinfan
    Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭Erinfan


    This visit is a poignant moment of reconciliation and mutual respect.We around the world look carefully.


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    #1028
    Wolfe Tone
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    LondonIrish90 wrote: »
    Speaking of Germans, 1.5 million British men and countless thousands more from the empire died as a result of German imperialism. Added to that, multiple towns and cities were bombed to oblivion.

    I fail to see similar levels of anti-German sentiment in England nowadays. I think that the relationship between the English and Germans at every level is incredibly stong not even a century since the end of the second world war
    Maybe if germany had have won and had have occupied 6 of Britain's counties and subjected Brits there to extensive discrimination and hardships the two would be comparable.


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    #1029
    NSNO
    Registered Users Posts: 281 ✭✭NSNO


    A lot was said about parity of esteem between Nationalists and Unionists in Northern Ireland during the Peace Process. Today was about the parity of esteem between the United Kingdom and Ireland.

    Not that the British has not already treated us as equals. They have done so since independence.

    No, this was about the growth of confidence and pride in our Irish identity. I'm acutely aware of the use of the word 'maturing' in recent times, and I'm trying to avoid using it for fear of being patronising but it is difficult to speak of the effect of the events today and not use it.

    For too long, being Irish has been defined more about what it isn't than what it is. It was not about the Irish language, it was about not speaking English. It wasn't about GAA, it was about not supporting soccer. It wasn't about the quality of our artists, it was about not enjoying English art.

    Yet today, the President of an independent Irish Republic stood side by side with the reigning British monarch as equals. She instilled a pride in our country, a pride not just in the independence movement of the 1910s/1920s but a pride in what we've built, in what this country stands for and a pride in how we've overcome the deeply entrenched hatreds that have wounded this country for far too long. Those two incredible women spoke of equality and friendship and of hope for the future. They spoke of what unites us rather than what divides us.

    I am not a nationalist. I am not a republican. But today, I am more proud than I have ever been of my country and of my President.


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    #1030
    tbh
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    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    Maybe if germany had have won and had have occupied 6 of Britain's counties and subjected Brits there to extensive discrimination and hardships the two would be comparable.



    You seem to conveniently forget that the majority of citizens in the North have no wish to be part of an Irish republic, and the majority of citizens in the south have no wish to force them to be.


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    #1031
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,926 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    No they havent. If they had have Britain would throw open its files and not insist on hiding the truth.

    Maybe you are right but it would also be nice if the I.R.A. had apologized for the murders of all their victims inc the Disappeared, some of whom have not been found yet. Their families would appreciate it as much as the Dublin/Monaghan families i am sure.


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    #1032
    Wheelie King
    Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭Wheelie King


    Indeed a great day for our nation.:rolleyes:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Abi3hgIxtNM


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    #1033
    telekon
    Registered Users Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭telekon


    tbh wrote: »
    You seem to conveniently forget that the majority of citizens in the North have no wish to be part of an Irish republic, and the majority of citizens in the south have no wish to force them to be.

    And it is also unclear to whether the south would actually vote in favour of being re-unified with the north.


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    #1034
    [Deleted User]
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    Shes some woman for one woman isnt she? Id be banajxed. She had to stand a lot today I noticed, Id be annoyed if my grandmother was left standing for long periods. But there again, it could well have been at her own request.

    I am looking at her with a whole new respect after this.
    :)


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    #1035
    Buceph
    Registered Users Posts: 2,059 ✭✭✭Buceph


    lastlaugh wrote: »
    The ironic thing about a lot of the nationalist and republican element is that if they were born in the England, they would probably have joined the BNP, protesting againt the n!ggas and de pak!s, (and probably paddys).

    Nope! Surprisingly.

    The BNP thinks the Irish are good immigrants. And courts their support. They have no problem with the Irish and I heard they were even trying to get an Irish immigrant to run for parliament for them, to demonstrate they're not against "proper" immigration. Just them filthy ethnics.

    Shows how far Ireland and the Irish has come in British society.


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    #1036
    telekon
    Registered Users Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭telekon


    Wheelie King wrote: »
    Indeed a great day for our nation.:rolleyes:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Abi3hgIxtNM

    Those comments are an embarrassment. Youtube strikes again. Website for neanderthal keyboard warriors.


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    #1037
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    Tbh, the Royals have never been top of my li:(st of idols, but after watching the two of them walk away from a perfectly poured point of Guinness today, they just made top place on my list of enemies!


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    #1038
    mike65
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    What if you are Irish and black?

    /bet they didn't think of that! eh eh?


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    #1039
    Wolfe Tone
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    Maybe you are right but it would also be nice if the I.R.A. had apologized for the murders of all their victims inc the Disappeared, some of whom have not been found yet. Their families would appreciate it as much as the Dublin/Monaghan families i am sure.
    They apologized for all the innocent civilians they killed, more that the BA have done. If you read the thread you will see that I have called for a truth and reconciliation forum where everything can be aired out and the truth can be heard.


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    #1040
    Wheelie King
    Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭Wheelie King


    telekon wrote: »
    Those comments are an embarrassment. Youtube strikes again. Website for neanderthal keyboard warriors.
    Indeed. But the taking of the flag is fine is'nt it.


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    #1041
    Xivilai
    Registered Users Posts: 721 ✭✭✭Xivilai


    The Queen referenced Mountbatten in that speech - when she was talking about the troubles, she said that the events "touched all of us, many of us personally"


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    #1042
    DColeman
    Registered Users Posts: 106 ✭✭DColeman


    Wheelie King wrote: »
    Indeed a great day for our nation.:rolleyes:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Abi3hgIxtNM

    That English women should shut up, it's not her country in question.


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    #1043
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,926 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Wheelie King wrote: »
    Indeed a great day for our nation.:rolleyes:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Abi3hgIxtNM



    That was on another thread and got the reaction it deserved. More sensationalist nonsense by another fool.


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    #1044
    ragg
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭ragg


    NSNO wrote: »
    A lot was said about parity of esteem between Nationalists and Unionists in Northern Ireland during the Peace Process. Today was about the parity of esteem between the United Kingdom and Ireland.

    Not that the British has not already treated us as equals. They have done so since independence.

    No, this was about the growth of confidence and pride in our Irish identity.

    Nail on the head!! This isn't about England, this is about us being proud of who we are, without having to reference t"The Brits" in the same breath!!


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    #1045
    Dionysus
    Registered Users Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭Dionysus


    K-9 wrote: »
    Wasn't it Shaw that said "some people know the price of everything, the value of nothing".

    Alas, K9! :D. Try Oscar Wilde: 'What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.' (Lady Windermere's Fan, 1892)

    First Wellington instead of O'Connell, and now Shaw instead of Wilde. hehe.


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    #1046
    telekon
    Registered Users Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭telekon


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Tbh, the Royals have never been top of my li:(st of idols, but after watching the two of them walk away from a perfectly poured point of Guinness today, they just made top place on my list of enemies!

    Was surprised by that too but apparently protocol doesnt allow her being filmed eating or drinking. I would imagine promoting a particular alcoholic brand would be a big no-no.


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    #1047
    DDC1990
    Registered Users Posts: 10,365 ✭✭✭✭DDC1990


    Wheelie King wrote: »
    Indeed a great day for our nation.:rolleyes:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Abi3hgIxtNM
    Disgrace if that is true.
    I dont care who's visiting, for a flag to be confiscated is a joke.


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    #1048
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    tayto lover wrote: »
    That was on another thread and got the reaction it deserved. More sensationalist nonsense by another fool.
    Not a chance of a bit of civility there no?


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    #1049
    telekon
    Registered Users Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭telekon


    Wheelie King wrote: »
    Indeed. But the taking of the flag is fine is'nt it.

    Yes.


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    #1050
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users Posts: 24,072 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    ascanbe wrote: »
    I'm referring to the fact that Irish tax-payers will be paying off all the money that British banks used to speculate on our property 'boom', not the cost of this visit.

    So it's not the German banks now?


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    #1051
    shadowninty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,654 ✭✭✭shadowninty


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    Maybe if germany had have won and had have occupied 6 of Britain's counties and subjected Brits there to extensive discrimination and hardships the two would be comparable.

    Northern Ireland may have had one party rule (not by the British, but they did little to stop it) but to compare it to rule by the Nazis is just... disgusting


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