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Irish rugby star to become hero in flotilla.

  • 19-05-2011 10:55AM
    #1
    Phill Ewinn
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    Irish rugby player Trevor Hogan who has played100 games for leinster and munster is set to take part in next months attempt to end the illegal blockade of gaza by Israeli forces. What does AH think? A risky journey given last years murders and abductions. A hero to me though.


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  • #2
    Hookah
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    It's worth a try, I suppose.


  • #3
    The Brigadier
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    Hmm, regardless of whether the blockade is right or not I am not sure how it can be described as illegal.

    Could the OP illustrate how he has come to describe it as illegal?


  • #4
    neil_hosey
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    fair play to him. I hope it all goes well..


  • #5
    mprgst78
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    I hope he doesn't expect assistance from us when he gets himself into trouble over there. That flotilla crowd is a bunch of lefty ideologues mixed in with muslim extremists.


  • #6
    sensibleken
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    fair play to him


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  • #7
    jimthemental
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    mprgst78 wrote: »
    I hope he doesn't expect assistance from us when he gets himself into trouble over there. That flotilla crowd is a bunch of lefty ideologues mixed in with muslim extremists.

    A bit far there. There's an element of that but you have to admit that there's a lot of kids growing up in hardship because of what Israel is at. But, Israel can't exactly open the doors either.


  • #8
    sensibleken
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    mprgst78 wrote: »
    I hope he doesn't expect assistance from us when he gets himself into trouble over there. That flotilla crowd is a bunch of lefty ideologues mixed in with muslim extremists.

    oh now you say lefty idealogues like its a bad thing


  • #9
    orourkeda
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    Rugby is stupid


  • #10
    The Brigadier
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    sensibleken wrote: »
    oh now you say lefty idealogues like its a bad thing

    Isn't it?


  • #11
    Mr Benevolent
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    Why will he be a hero? Because he's a rugby player and will be on a boat?


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  • #12
    the_syco
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    orourkeda wrote: »
    Rugby is stupid
    I think he got hit on the head once too many times...


  • #13
    Dudess
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    "Hey everyone - look at me, I back Israel in order to show how non leftie I am (because it's not as if anyone on the right objects to how the Palestinians are treated)!"

    Zzzzzzzz...


  • #14
    mprgst78
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    jimthemental wrote: »
    A bit far there. There's an element of that but you have to admit that there's a lot of kids growing up in hardship because of what Israel is at. But, Israel can't exactly open the doors either.

    agreed, i would put the onus not on a democratic country that respects the rights of its citizens but on a theocratic regime that has repeatedly demonstrated its intention to harm as many civilians as possible.


  • #15
    Buceph
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    The Brigadier wrote: »
    Hmm, regardless of whether the blockade is right or not I am not sure how it can be described as illegal.

    Could the OP illustrate how he has come to describe it as illegal?

    I think at the basic level it comes down to whether or not Palestine is a state. To blockade the port and deny access to the Palestinian port, Israel needs to be at war with them, and that would require them recognising Palestine as a state. If they don't consider them a state, they have to give them equal recognition as citizens of Israel, which they don't do either.


  • #16
    mprgst78
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    Dudess wrote: »
    "Hey everyone - look at me, I back Israel in order to show how non leftie I am (because it's not as if anyone on the right objects to how the Palestinians are treated)!"

    Zzzzzzzz...

    I admire your intelligent wittiness!

    I never expressed my support for Israel. I simply believe the actions of both entities should be judged by the same standards.


  • #17
    Dudess
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    That wasn't directed at you - it was directed at the OP, his thanker (who weirdly thanked me - maybe it was a sarcasm think) and the rugby guy. And it was out of genuine jadedness at these "Israel is great - can't actually explain why, but they're great" proclamations...

    If someone can actually give a good reason as to why they think Israel's policies are so brilliant, I'm all eyes.


  • #18
    Hookah
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    Dudess wrote: »

    If someone can actually give a good reason as to why they think Israel's policies are so brilliant, I'm all eyes.

    They are a beacon of democracy in the Middle-East etc.


  • #19
    mprgst78
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    Dudess wrote: »
    That wasn't directed at you - it was directed at the OP, his thanker (who weirdly thanked me - maybe it was a sarcasm think) and the rugby guy. And it was out of genuine jadedness at these "Israel is great - can't actually explain why, but they're great" proclamations...

    If someone can actually give a good reason as to why they think Israel's policies are so brilliant, I'm all eyes.

    That's one way of looking at it but I've never heard the same question being asked about the Palestinian policies.


  • #20
    Hookah
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    mprgst78 wrote: »
    That's one way of looking at it but I've never heard the same question being asked about the Palestinian policies.

    Which are?


  • #21
    The Brigadier
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    Buceph wrote: »
    I think at the basic level it comes down to whether or not Palestine is a state. To blockade the port and deny access to the Palestinian port, Israel needs to be at war with them, and that would require them recognising Palestine as a state. If they don't consider them a state, they have to give them equal recognition as citizens of Israel, which they don't do either.

    I am actually against the blockade. I don't take sides on this. I think that both sides are guilty of horrific atrocities. Israel are in a very difficult situation. While I understand their actions I don't excuse them. By the same token the Palestinians are being persecuted but that doesn't for me excuse the blood on their hands.

    Regardless of all that I still fail to see how the blockade is illegal. If someone can point out which law has been broken I would be very interested.


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  • #22
    Wolfe Tone
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    I think it a great idea and the best of luck to him!


  • #23
    mprgst78
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    Hookah wrote: »
    Which are?

    Here's a few that I can think of:
    Deliberate attacks on Israeli civilians.
    Use of children as human shields.
    Sabotage of their own infrastructure in order to blame Israel.
    Confiscation of food aid to allow their civilians to starve, again to make it look like Israel is the cause.
    Storing weapons in schools and hospitals
    Using schools and hospitals to launch rockets and mortars.


  • #24
    TheHighRoad
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    Hookah wrote: »
    They are a beacon of democracy in the Middle-East etc.

    A democracy that doesn't give votes to certain people because of their religon. Really?


  • #25
    Hookah
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    mprgst78 wrote: »
    Here's a few that I can think of:
    Deliberate attacks on Israeli civilians.
    Use of children as human shields.
    Sabotage of their own infrastructure in order to blame Israel.
    Confiscation of food aid to allow their civilians to starve, again to make it look like Israel is the cause.
    Storing weapons in schools and hospitals
    Using schools and hospitals to launch rockets and mortars.

    Those things are deplorable, if they're all true.

    Would they be the policies of all Palestinians, or all Gazans since we're talking about the Gazan blockade?


  • #26
    NTMK
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    mprgst78 wrote: »
    Confiscation of food aid to allow their civilians to starve, again to make it look like Israel is the cause.

    Yes thats why the israelis blocking aid getting through to stop the palestian goverment from taking it :rolleyes:

    Question do you have any proof of this at all


  • #27
    mprgst78
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    Hookah wrote: »
    Those things are deplorable, if they're all true.

    Would they be the policies of all Palestinians, or all Gazans since we're talking about the Gazan blockade?

    I see what you're saying. However, the Palestinian Authority won a landslide election so it could be argued that they enjoy widespread support.


  • #28
    mprgst78
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    NTMK wrote: »
    Yes thats why the israelis blocking aid getting through to stop the palestian goverment from taking it :rolleyes:

    Question do you have any proof of this at all

    do you have any proof that what i'm saying is false? right back atcha. I think if you were asked to reference everything being said here, you would not have the same type of discussion.

    check it out online (can't remember where i saw it) but i'm not making it up.


  • #29
    Dudess
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    mprgst78 wrote: »
    That's one way of looking at it but I've never heard the same question being asked about the Palestinian policies.
    Despite all the pro Israel warriors? I sure have.


  • #30
    Monty Burnz
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    Buceph wrote: »
    I think at the basic level it comes down to whether or not Palestine is a state. To blockade the port and deny access to the Palestinian port, Israel needs to be at war with them, and that would require them recognising Palestine as a state. If they don't consider them a state, they have to give them equal recognition as citizens of Israel, which they don't do either.
    You, sir, are worse than Hitler.


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  • #31
    Hookah
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    mprgst78 wrote: »
    I see what you're saying. However, the Palestinian Authority won a landslide election so it could be argued that they enjoy widespread support.

    You mean Hamas winning the election in Gaza, the reason for Israel, the beacon of democracy, starting the blockade in the first place?

    It would appear they enjoy widespread support.


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