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El tel you owe me a new keyboard you bar steward.[QUOTEThe psychological questionnaire was fun. I can't remember if I saw it the BA or Art Longish assessment but there was a question "would you be interested in a documentary about otters?" That caused a **** load of confusion and much cause for concern afterwards. I answered 'yes' because I am well into my otters, what right-minded person wouldn't?
I even love touching the bollocks of the stuffed aninals in the natural history museum, but not the otters as they are in glass cabinets. ][/QUOTE]My wife is seriously considering sectioning me right now because I've been laughing hysterically for the last few minutes. 0 -
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To be honest I just assumed it couldnt be that simple....then again I was torn because it may have been and I would look like the muppet who couldnt add 1 and 2 and get 3!
What decided it for me was the "extra".
It looks as if this is going to be hurdle one this time. hurdle 2 will be a group exercise and hurdle 3 is the face to face interview. Interviews were 1st up when I applied and then the tests. I find that very confusing. You may be a psychometric genius but an complete ******(as is often the case). I suppose with the volume of applicants interviewing all is not an option. I heard on the grapevine that all your online applications are screened by a computer and those that dont have the minimum requirements are just deleted. Those that do are saved and after the close each application that meets the requirements will be mailed a test. When you re-submit your test it is tagged onto your application and whoever fits into the envelope is kept while the rest are deleted out of it. Then they will read the applications for the 1st timke in HR of those who did well in the tests and decide who they want to call for phase 2.
It's very harsh in my opinion, you may have a great CV/experiance/personality but if you cant pair a few circles or run a car showroom you're knackered.......0 -
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ha wow!
Something I noticed when I was an instructor on the Fokker(and so had many of the new cadet intake) was it was painfully obvious to us(but not HR it would seem) that some of the new intake were very high achievers and may have aced the entry exams BUT when we started pipinng smoke or engine failures or any sort of problem in during training they went to peices because they had no idea how to recover from "being wrong"....personally id rather see a guy ace 2 sections and score average on another 2 or not answer the questions he found too hard. Atleast then I'd know he was "experianced in being in over his head" and by leaving blanks I'd know that when confronted with a situation that he didnt understand he didnt just toss a coin and pick a course of action...he took a step back and didnt make a decision he wasnt 100% sure was correct. THAT is the apptitude I'd want to see in a pilot, not a guy who is so sure of himself he has no idea what to do when he has no idea what to do....
Your experience as an instructor is apposite given some advice I received before going for my interviews at Aer Lingus.
At the time I had lots of flight crew access because of my job and taht was a great source of practical advice in getting through selection. As well as that, when flying to Dublin for the interviews/assessments I always got myself a jump seat in the Aer Lingus flights which were laid on; the crew I spoke to gave me great confidence that I too could get in.
Anyway, one of the things I was advised (by a non-EI SFO) was that at some point every cadet will fail a progress exam or perhaps even one of their final exams and that often a high-achiever will find this difficult to come to terms with when it happens. He suggested that I perhaps have something ‘in mind’ that I failed and be able to explain how I dealt with it. Lo and behold in my interview they looked at my application form and said, iirc, "you've got great grades in all your exams...so do you think you are smart?" Well, I couldn't believe it - I was ready for that one! I "explained"
that I failed a half-module at University (one of the ones which definitely had no possible connection to anything that flies - French for business I think I said :rolleyes:) but that I re-sat it a week later and passed, my approach to everything being to identify my strengths and weaknesses, focus on the weaknesses until they are no longer deficient, while at the same time making sure the other things were not being too neglected in the meantime. Boke or what?!
Another bit of advice from the same chap was to never ever look or sound surprised at anything you might be asked at interview. He put forward an excellent scenario which was identical to one which I was asked by Willie Walsh and very similar to a couple of others which they threw up. Another hypothetical question which he claimed a friend was asked as a DE applicant to a certain airline was “You are on a stop over. You are at the hotel bar with the crew, waiting on the Captain to join you. The Captain enters the bar. He’s dressed in women’s clothing. What do you do?”0 -
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Your experience as an instructor is apposite given some advice I received before going for my interviews at Aer Lingus.
At the time I had lots of flight crew access because of my job and taht was a great source of practical advice in getting through selection. As well as that, when flying to Dublin for the interviews/assessments I always got myself a jump seat in the Aer Lingus flights which were laid on; the crew I spoke to gave me great confidence that I too could get in.
Anyway, one of the things I was advised (by a non-EI SFO) was that at some point every cadet will fail a progress exam or perhaps even one of their final exams and that often a high-achiever will find this difficult to come to terms with when it happens. He suggested that I perhaps have something ‘in mind’ that I failed and be able to explain how I dealt with it. Lo and behold in my interview they looked at my application form and said, iirc, "you've got great grades in all your exams...so do you think you are smart?" Well, I couldn't believe it - I was ready for that one! I "explained" that I failed a half-module at University (one of the ones which definitely had no possible connection to anything that flies - French for business I think I said :rolleyes:) but that I re-sat it a week later and passed, my approach to everything being to identify my strengths and weaknesses, focus on the weaknesses until they are no longer deficient, while at the same time making sure the other things were not being too neglected in the meantime. Boke or what?!
Another bit of advice from the same chap was to never ever look or sound surprised at anything you might be asked at interview. He put forward an excellent scenario which was identical to one which I was asked by Willie Walsh and very similar to a couple of others which they threw up. Another hypothetical question which he claimed a friend was asked as a DE applicant to a certain airline was “You are on a stop over. You are at the hotel bar with the crew, waiting on the Captain to join you. The Captain enters the bar. He’s dressed in women’s clothing. What do you do?”
Well I had quite a hair raising experiance when doing some line training with a young lad who was just off the cadetship. We were touching and going in Knock and it went fairly average(glideslope issues) but he was a nice lad. So on the way back I decided to let him redeem himself and i gave him a simulated engine failure. I throttled back the port engine on the fokker without a word(as it would happen...it doesnt tell you it is going to fail). The engine instruments all all went to idle settings BUT....he didnt notice for a good 30 secs. When he did he lost it a little and to my eternal amazement pulled the column back and threw full power into the other engine(my hand was on the port throttle lever) without so much as a thought for the poor rudder......all i can say is we were lucky we were at 10K.....he was a high achiever.....but when the **** hit the fan he went to bits and nearly stalled and spun the aircraft. From that day on I was committed to pushing all my students on any type to breaking point...just to see what happened...most dealt with it well..others didnt, but I found it was the more average joes that stayed calmer and got the job done0 -
Just like to say thanks to XWB. I really like your attitude and honesty and its been a pleasure reading your posts. Keep them coming. I find myself looking forward to them everyday and am becoming somewhat of a boards addict:eek:
Thank you eurokev...I shall be selling fan club subscriptions soon!
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