section 21 who ordered this in our government?

caseyann

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Abi3hgIxtNM
I cant open the you tube videos in here so if some else can i would appreciate it thanks.

So what law and what right has anyone to stop Irish person or any nationality from carrying our colours.
Was this a political agenda or was it an insult to have tri colour in our own country because of british monarch being here.

So sorry for mess up :P fixed thanks to IAMFROZEN thanks

cabrwab

Section 21 is a public order offence, the guard wanted the flag pole not the flag, the guard makes the mistake of saying flag.
person who made video is a real life troll.


All this based on the video I'm thinking of!

Pineapple stu

Dont bother clicking on the link as it has nothing to do with the thread title.

caseyann

Pineapple stu wrote: »

Dont bother clicking on the link as it has nothing to do with the thread title.

Yes it does :rolleyes:

MagicSean

Clearly the op has no idea what Section 21 is. It gives the Gardaí power to seize anything that might be used as a weapon. The Garda wanted the flag as she thought it was connected to the flag pole. When she realised it wasn't she just took the pole. Simple really.

Iwasfrozen

caseyann wrote: »

Yes it does :rolleyes:

lol, I'm afraid you've been had girl . That link to the youtube video of Rebecca black's single "Friday". Here's the real link to the video if you want to edit it in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Abi3hgIxtNM

Pineapple stu

I stopped watching when i found out it was just someone singing a song and not a good one at that.

Wolfe Tone

Casey you have sullied and forever tarnished the politics forum with that video


Is Rebecca Black the new rick roll?

caseyann

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

lol, I'm afraid you've been had girl . That link to the youtube video of Rebecca black's single "Friday". Here's the real link to the video if you want to edit it in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Abi3hgIxtNM

Oops thanks lol how did that happen :eek::o

caseyann

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Casey you have sullied and forever tarnished the politics forum with that video


Is Rebecca Black the new rick roll?

Tá brón orm mo chára
Translation i am sorry my friend.

later12

I think caseyann is ♫ looking forward to the weekend ♫.

caseyann

cabrwab wrote: »

Section 21 is a public order offence, the guard wanted the flag pole not the flag, the guard makes the mistake of saying flag.
person who made video is a real life troll.


All this based on the video I'm thinking of!

There was no pole in the flag and the garda made hasty retreat.
And if after the pole what would that do break the queens car or maime her :eek:

Whats was the rule for belts and bag buckles etc?....

salonfire

Such an uninspiring performance by that female garda.

Fair enough, she meant the flagpole, why not come out and say it without making such a muddle of it all.

The harded scum of Dublin must be living in fear of her authoritative presence

Fuzzy Clam

Maybe, just maybe, the Garda thought the flag was attached to the pole, hence her asking for the flag
That woman was a drama queen anyway, stating that she was going to be arrested when there was no mention of an arrest.

K-9

We don't know if the flag was attached to the pole but it does seem the pole existed as they did indeed confiscate the pole.

It seems she did make a mistake as the older Guard corrects her.

From watching it the Guards seem to be doing their over all job well, very friendly and with no attitude, unlike the person who took the video.

Wolfe Tone

Why did they insist on taking that flimsy flagpole but not the metal stand(which could do serious damage!) that the camera was on? Did the football fans in Dublin have their flagpoles taken?

K-9

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Why did they insist on taking that flimsy flagpole but not the metal stand(which could do serious damage!) that the camera was on? Did the football fans in Dublin have their flagpoles taken?

It looked like a mobile phone to me.

What metal stand?

Wolfe Tone

K-9 wrote: »

It looked like a mobile phone to me.

What metal stand?

I was told that the camera was on a kinda tripod thing

Technoprisoner

Seanbeag1 wrote: »

Clearly the op has no idea what Section 21 is. It gives the Gardaí power to seize anything that might be used as a weapon. The Garda wanted the flag as she thought it was connected to the flag pole. When she realised it wasn't she just took the pole. Simple really.

you sure about that? http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1994/en/act/pub/0002/sec0021.html

K-9

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

I was told that the camera was on a kinda tripod thing

Well it is hardly stationary. If there was it looks like it was behind the police line.

Wolfe Tone

K-9 wrote: »

Well it is hardly stationary. If there was it looks like it was behind the police line.

No, you don't understand, she was carrying a tripod with a camera on it, which would explain why the cops aren't all like "wtf" as they would be if she was shoving a phone in their faces.

K-9

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

No, you don't understand, she was carrying a tripod with a camera on it, which would explain why the cops aren't all like "wtf" as they would be if she was shoving a phone in their faces.

There is no evidence of a tripod on the video at all. The video is very up and down.

I presume it's an awkward thing to carry around?

Wolfe Tone

K-9 wrote: »

There is no evidence of a tripod on the video at all. The video is very up and down.

I presume it's an awkward thing to carry around?

I had to go throw a load of crap in the comments section to dig this out(I hate youtube). It's a comment from the uploader.

"To all the trolls the flag was hanging out of my pocket and not attached to the stick it came with which I would have been happy to give them if they had asked .The video clearly shows the Gárda saying that the flag is banned .My camera was attached to a 6 ft monopod made of steel .they did not ask for that ."

K-9

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

I had to go throw a load of crap in the comments section to dig this out(I hate youtube). It's a comment from the uploader.

"To all the trolls the flag was hanging out of my pocket and not attached to the stick it came with which I would have been happy to give them if they had asked .The video clearly shows the Gárda saying that the flag is banned .My camera was attached to a 6 ft monopod made of steel .they did not ask for that ."

There is no sign of the tripod at all. Look I'm trying to be as objective as possible. The female or "ban" Garda in the old days got it wrong, the older Guard corrects her.

One Guard got it wrong but was polite and corteous about it, it isn't a conspiracy.

Stop making a mountain out of a molehill.

Wolfe Tone

K-9 wrote: »

There is no sign of the tripod at all. Look I'm trying to be as objective as possible. The female or "ban" Garda in the old days got it wrong, the older Guard corrects her.

One Guard got it wrong but was polite and corteous about it, it isn't a conspiracy.

Stop making a mountain out of a molehill.

Its not that complicated, she has the monopod grasped in one hand while she walks. The camera is on top of the monopod. Thats why it bobs but is also quite stable. A member of boards was witness to the incident, should I ask him if she had a monopod?

Fair enough, but if flimsy flag poles are such a danger and must be confiscated why not the monopod?

I'm not saying its a conspiracy or anything, I just find the discrepancy strange.

swordofislam

Come on lads you can't eat a flag!

Killer Pigeon

Section 21 (2) of the Criminal Justic (Public Order) Act, 1994

21. – (2) Where a barrier has been erected in accordance with subsection (1), a member of the Garda Síochana in uniform may by oral or manual direction or by exhibition of any notice or sign, or any combination thereof—

(a) Divert person generally or particularly and whether in or on vehicles or on foot to another means of access to the event, including a means of access to that event on foot only, or

(b) Where possession of a ticket is required for entrance to the event, prohibit a person whether in or on vehicles or on foot from crossing or passing the barrier towards the event where the person has no such ticket, or

(c) Indicate that to proceed beyond the barrier while in possession of any intoxicating liquor, disposable drinks container or offensive article will render such liquor, container or article liable to confiscation.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1994/en/act/pub/0002/sec0021.html

So basically, it doesn't matter what it is. If the Garda believes that the flag could be regarded as an offensive article he/she can confiscate it. Funnily enough, the person who put up the video banned me from commenting on the video after I pointed this and observing that she just wanted to cause trouble, aggravate the situation and make some sort of vague "protest" - ironic I find seeing as she would prefer to see herself as a champion of free speak and expression. :rolleyes:

Wolfe Tone

How on earth can this countries flag be deemed offensive?

swordofislam

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

. If the Garda believes that the flag could be regarded as an offensive article he/she can confiscate it.

Quite right Killer Pigeon what could be more offensive than that symbol of terrorism? Ireland has a new flag an arrangement of red, blue and white crosses. The test in this matter can't be completely subjective that's ad hoc law.

Liam Byrne

caseyann wrote: »

There was no pole in the flag and the garda made hasty retreat.
And if after the pole what would that do break the queens car or maime her :eek:

Whats was the rule for belts and bag buckles etc?....

If the pole wasn't in the flag, what was the troublemaker doing with the pole?

And the same lying cow screamed that she was being arrested!

Lying ****-stirring tramp!!

Whatever about genuine people protesting, idiots like that should be escorted to the nearest ferry!

Liam Byrne

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

I had to go throw a load of crap in the comments section to dig this out(I hate youtube). It's a comment from the uploader.

"To all the trolls the flag was hanging out of my pocket and not attached to the stick it came with which I would have been happy to give them if they had asked .The video clearly shows the Gárda saying that the flag is banned .My camera was attached to a 6 ft monopod made of steel .they did not ask for that ."

She openly lies about being arrested in the video and yet you still believe a post of hers?

Ridiculous!