Polybond fresh plaster or not?

brendankelly

This is such a nice post I just had to share it

danoriordan1402 wrote: »

Many thanks to all for the words of wisdom , much appreciated,

dan

michael999999

Paul.C wrote: »

Wow your amazing:eek::rolleyes:.

So what! I was a carpentry foreman with a company for 6 years and have been in this game for about 13 years. whop di do, I wouldnt imagine organising a bunch of painters would really be that hard. Sure a monkey could paint:p

Painting is the handiest number on a site, It doesnt require a lot of skill, all it really requires is someone that doesnt mind staring at a wall for their entire life and not really challenging themselves. I think your feel the need to have an argument so as people may think there is some kind of skill and thought behind it.

If you two lads need a bloody architect, foreman, project manager to hold your handy while you paint then there is something wrong. As I have stated before loads of people use this process on new plaster and its FINE.
Again you fail to come up with a reason as to why not to do it but stand by your arrogant opinion that because you dont do it then it must be wrong.

I really dont understand why your getting so touchy over a difference of opinion when you only use one technique and have no experience of the other. Your commenting on a technique that you dont really have an educated opinion on. Again... 15 years does not make you the expert, if you think that it does then your obviously another tradesman who thinks he knows it all but really doesnt. Nobody in any trade knows everything or will ever know everything. You will still be learning when you retire and if your not then your brain isnt functioning properly

Stop pretending there is so much behind being a painter because there really isnt.

As for that comment earlier saying im another one of them that waits for the check and fecks off...........em no, you couldnt have got it more wrong. I have always and will always stand proudly over my work and will always rectify any problems properly. Why??? because Im honest. I have walked away from employers in the past for trying to con people and would never try to be dishonest with people:mad: FULL STOP

Oh and if your just posting at this stage to thank each other then dont bother there are no prizes for it:rolleyes:

Checklist:

Jig for cutting hinges
jig for cutting locks
jig for cutting frames
jig for cutting mortice....looks real hard to be a carpenter!

fred funk }{

Jesus lads. It's getting childish now.

paddy147

brendankelly wrote: »

At the risk of been snapped at again I will thank snyper and Spread for their correct posts. The comment about monkeys is a bit rich coming from some one that told the OP to put PVA over the plaster.

While the opinions of snyper and spread (in my opinion) are 100% correct the other aspect is that to seal plaster with pvc/plastic in a timber frame house can lead to mould and dry rot.

being snapped at again????


Brendan.......will you ever stop whinging and grow up.

Carlow52

brendankelly wrote: »

At the risk of been snapped at again I will thank snyper and Spread for their correct posts. The comment about monkeys is a bit rich coming from some one that told the OP to put PVA over the plaster.

While the opinions of snyper and spread (in my opinion) are 100% correct the other aspect is that to seal plaster with pvc/plastic in a timber frame house can lead to mould and dry rot.

BK just want to tease this one out a bit.

Theory is that the inner layer materials should be such that they stop the moisture laden air permeating out through the skimmed PB and into the cooler insulation.

For example the alu layer on PB serves as the air impermeable layer.

If this is right, can you develop the point you are making.
Thanks

brendankelly

Paddy You are creating the perfect conditions for mould to grow and spread but obviously you do not care because you will not have to live in it.



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Carlow52

snyper wrote: »

Ok, getting to heated here to be honest.

I worked in a hardware store for many years and in that time my i was looking after the buying and selling of paint over a 10 year period.

There are some that will say you can paint the pva onto the wall diluted, but the most including myself will tell you not to... this is not just my opinion but the opinion and advice of the manufacturers of the paint.

Polybond / pva.. polybond is a brandname pva is the ingredient.. its essentially wood glue without the extra ingredients in it.

You can add polybond to the paint, ive never done it, nor seen anyone do it but it can be done for better adhesion.

The reason you dont put polybond on a wall before you paint is because it actually has the reverse effect of what you are putting it on for! Its a glue, but once dried it glosses, leaving the wall with a glossier finish, this does seal the wall, but the paint does not key, or grip the dried pva as well as it would if it is soaked into the wall ie, a slush coat.

The same is with when you tile a floor, if you are to use pva on ply you must apply the adhesive before the pva dries fully, if you let it dry it has the oppsite effect.
PVA (Polyvinyl acetates) is the glue name...as it says in the name - its a vinyl, and vinyl is as anyone knows... a shiney surface. If you ever open the tin, and pour some out raw, it dries opaque, no clear, but close.. run your hand on it, and its smooth and shiney because of the vinyl..

Bottom line is, in my years, ive seen issues with people painting pva onto a wall and then pinting over it after, and then there is blisterng problems etc.. the paint companies dont want to know about it id pva has been used prior to painting the wall.

If you use the pva, and it has worked, so be it, but i certainly wouldnt advise using it for that purpose

One of the finest posts I have read on Boards.ie FULL STOP

paddy147

brendankelly wrote: »

Paddy You are creating the perfect conditions for mould to grow and spread but obviously you do not care because you will not have to live in it.

Did I post anywhere that I had polybonded the new plaster/skim coat and painted the walls yet????

Please show me where I said that I have done so allready

So do me a favour and SHUT UP with your whinging and bitching posts.

You are like an old broken down/stuck record player at this stage.:rolleyes:

brendankelly

and thats it,job done.[/QUOTE]

paddy147 wrote: »

On a very tight budget as my budget went on other parts of the house and fixing other things.

Also the entire house had to be replastered,as the old plaster was comming away from the walls in places all over the house.

I was advized on the diluted PVA stuff be the painter down the road from me,then a cheap white undercoat (berger or crown 10 litres for 15 euro) and then a Magnolia finish coat 9again berger or Crown 10 litres for 15 euro),and thats it,job done.

DonalK1981

paddy147 wrote: »

Did I post anywhere that I had polybonded the new plaster/skim coat and painted the walls yet????

Please show me where I said that I have done so allready

So do me a favour and SHUT UP with your whinging and bitching posts.

You are like an old broken down/stuck record player at this stage.:rolleyes:

If the job is worth doing it should be done properly. If it's done properly you might get recommendations and not complaints. I don't think there is any place for that on these posts, people should be able to post their comments without being abused.

Paul.C

michael999999 wrote: »

Checklist:

Jig for cutting hinges
jig for cutting locks
jig for cutting frames
jig for cutting mortice....looks real hard to be a carpenter!

That doesnt even scratch the surface mate. Not even 1%

brendankelly wrote: »

Paddy You are creating the perfect conditions for mould to grow and spread but obviously you do not care because you will not have to live in it.

BK I thought you were a painter, what would you know of dry rot and spores in timber and especially Timber framed houses? Looks like you just typed mould into google, gave a quick link and copied the first load of jiberish which by the way is actually nonsense in this case. And do me a favour, I have 20/20 vision so I do not require your massive fonts... its just annoying.

fred funk }{ wrote: »

Jesus lads. It's getting childish now.

I couldnt agree with you more. Ive given my opinion and stood firmly by it and there is nothing that I can productively add to this thread so im going to leave it at that.

I agree with snypers and spreads input largely but would like to add that the only time I have ever seen this flawed is through a bad mix. Its never had this effect when Ive used it but I do understand that it may happen due to mixing it to thick. The thicker you put it on the more chance of paint pealing off to the plaster or blistering.
I still stand by what I have said and will continue to do so. You guys feel free to do it your way and I will do it mine. Its not what you do, its how you do it!

Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is the truth.
Mohandas Gandhi

Cheers for the moronic debate, il be off now as this thread has well passed its sellby. Its like being in a class of spoiled kids:rolleyes:

paddy147

brendankelly wrote: »

and thats it,job done.

[/QUOTE]



Brendan.....Have the "balls" to actually quote my full and entire post and not take 5 words and try to make something else out of it.Thats just pathetic,what you have tried to do there.:rolleyes:

Full post of mine.......

"Quote" On a very tight budget as my budget went on other parts of the house and fixing other things.

Also the entire house had to be replastered,as the old plaster was comming away from the walls in places all over the house.

I was advized on the diluted PVA stuff be the painter down the road from me,then a cheap white undercoat (berger or crown 10 litres for 15 euro) and then a Magnolia finish coat 9again berger or Crown 10 litres for 15 euro),and thats it,job done."End Quote"









Brendan,you really are a on a mission here.

A mission to do what exactly???

Whats the point in quoting 5 words out of a bigger overall post??

Pointless and nothing more than a silly little bitching effort on your part.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Now if you can actually cop on and engage your brain for a second and read propperly for once,please tell me and show me where I said that "I have gone and polybonded and painted the reskimmed walls"??

Please show me exactly where,on this thread I have posted that?????

Clearly,VERY CLEARLY IN FACT I havent posted that at all.

In fact I have not done anything with any of the walls in the house yet.

They are still fresh,new,bare plastered walls.

irelandspurs

Paul.C wrote: »

Wow your amazing:eek::rolleyes:.

So what! I was a carpentry foreman with a company for 6 years and have been in this game for about 13 years. whop di do, I wouldnt imagine organising a bunch of painters would really be that hard. Sure a monkey could paint:p

Painting is the handiest number on a site, It doesnt require a lot of skill, all it really requires is someone that doesnt mind staring at a wall for their entire life and not really challenging themselves. I think your feel the need to have an argument so as people may think there is some kind of skill and thought behind it.

If you two lads need a bloody architect, foreman, project manager to hold your handy while you paint then there is something wrong. As I have stated before loads of people use this process on new plaster and its FINE.
Again you fail to come up with a reason as to why not to do it but stand by your arrogant opinion that because you dont do it then it must be wrong.

I really dont understand why your getting so touchy over a difference of opinion when you only use one technique and have no experience of the other. Your commenting on a technique that you dont really have an educated opinion on. Again... 15 years does not make you the expert, if you think that it does then your obviously another tradesman who thinks he knows it all but really doesnt. Nobody in any trade knows everything or will ever know everything. You will still be learning when you retire and if your not then your brain isnt functioning properly

Stop pretending there is so much behind being a painter because there really isnt.

As for that comment earlier saying im another one of them that waits for the check and fecks off...........em no, you couldnt have got it more wrong. I have always and will always stand proudly over my work and will always rectify any problems properly. Why??? because Im honest. I have walked away from employers in the past for trying to con people and would never try to be dishonest with people:mad: FULL STOP

Oh and if your just posting at this stage to thank each other then dont bother there are no prizes for it:rolleyes:

Were the ones that makes good all the **** carpentry work and plaster on sites. Anyone can paint but not everyone can paint properly.

brendankelly

Donal Thank you
Paddy just take another look at post 70.
Paul. I do not have 20/20 vision and if you read some of by posts you would know I am a lime plasterer not a painter. I never claimer to be an expert on moulds but I come across moulds regularly at work. I have read articles by people like Joseph Little and others and can decide for myself what is or isn't a """"""load of jiberish which by the way is actually nonsense in this case"""". Because when it comes to credibility I do believe people like Mr Little and the Pinchin Environmental
Mississauga, Ontario have a bit more credibility than some one that paints PVA over plaster.

paddy147

brendankelly wrote: »

Donal Thank you
Paddy just take another look at post 70.
Paul. I do not have 20/20 vision and if you read some of by posts you would know I am a lime plasterer not a painter. I never claimer to be an expert on moulds but I come across moulds regularly at work. I have read articles by people like Joseph Little and others and can decide for myself what is or isn't a """"""load of jiberish which by the way is actually nonsense in this case"""". Because when it comes to credibility I do believe people like Mr Little and the Pinchin Environmental
Mississauga, Ontario have a bit more credibility than some one that paints PVA over plaster.

I think you need to reed propperly 1st before trying to sleazely and slyly quote bits and bobs of my post to make up something,just to please yourself.:rolleyes:.

Quote my entire post or dont quote it all.

Please also take note to the fact that I said I was ADVISED BY A PAINTER,I never said I had painted polybond onto the walls.

Learn to read 1st before trying to quote peoples comments Brendan.

delly

Thread is being temp locked, when I get some spare time i'll go over it, but it seems like a lot of aggro is knocking about.