Ogra Fianna Fail

Fraher91

Seloth wrote: »

Those are the main reasons why I joined hah :L

Pretty good reasons. It seems like a very active society and arguably you may have more activities than YFG.

Skyrim

I hear there are weekly meetings so it is fairly active alright, the dail trip and youth conference, ard fheis etc sound like something to look forward to.

Tipplegend

Skyrim wrote: »

I hear there are weekly meetings so it is fairly active alright, the dail trip and youth conference, ard fheis etc sound like something to look forward to.

Yep we hold meetings every week to discuss everything from whats going on in the world to issues facing us in University to what our next event will be. Meetings are very open and everyones opinion is listened to. We also get in guest speakers sometimes to give insights on particular topics. Afterwards, we end up in Java's for a few drinks and have a laugh .

Along with the big trips like the one's you have mentioned (NYC is the best craic you will ever have!! Image 300-400 students in a hotel for a weekend, things get messy! ) we also have other trips too, like the one to Ennis at Halloween where I ended up getting dressed up as a Rubberbandit!

If your up for a laugh, with some politics mixed in for good measure! join up next semester:).

Tipplegend

99Astra wrote: »

Oh yeah, house party in Optimised house in week 1 :p:p

I'll see you there :cool:.

Skyrim

Tipplegend wrote: »

Yep we hold meetings every week to discuss everything from whats going on in the world to issues facing us in University to what our next event will be. Meetings are very open and everyones opinion is listened to. We also get in guest speakers sometimes to give insights on particular topics. Afterwards, we end up in Java's for a few drinks and have a laugh .

Along with the big trips like the one's you have mentioned (NYC is the best craic you will ever have!! Image 300-400 students in a hotel for a weekend, things get messy! ) we also have other trips too, like the one to Ennis at Halloween where I ended up getting dressed up as a Rubberbandit!

If your up for a laugh, with some politics mixed in for good measure! join up next semester:).

Fair play, looking forward to it already, sounds like savage craic, only regret getting involved in last week of 1st year, but at least i'll be ready in september. I'm involved with the history society a bit but we don't meet up much so this'll be great to go with it too. Hear ye're off to the dail in September, must head up with ye.

fogey88

No I'm not tippland, it's our colleague from Tipp south. Guys I'm delighted there's so much interest, a lot of people joined on registercs.ul.ie Make sure you and your friends are registered.

We will have a few events during summer. Follow us on www.Facebook.com/ulogra and invite your friends.

Let me know what constituencies ye are in. There is an ogra in most. Let me know and I'll put in contact with somebody in your area and you can attend their events/meetings. Sign up to the mailing lists on www.fiannafail.ie and www.ogra.ie.

As said above weekly meetings and social after, dail trip, guest speakers, debates, policy formation, other ogra and ff events, trips away, commemorations, canvassing, campaigning, charity fundraising etc. Recruitment will be first major event in sept then egm followed by ard fheis and national youth conference with youth committe elections.

Fraher91

Must say, it sounds good. Not too interested in YFG guess you see their posters all over the place:P, FF seems like it's more open or something. Yes, see ye guys in September, good luck in the exams, the results are not too far away

Tipplegend

Fraher91 wrote: »

Not too interested in YFG guess you see their posters all over the place:P

Never mind their posters, I lived with their Chairperson last year!

Fraher91

Tipplegend wrote: »

Never mind their posters, I lived with their Chairperson last year!

Oh dear :P, ah just sometimes they blow their trumpet a little too much.

Skyrim

Got the clubs and societies paper today while in ul, i see ye guys got a mention for the Cian Cleary benefit night fair play.

Tipplegend

Fraher91 wrote: »

Oh dear :P, ah just sometimes they blow their trumpet a little too much.

Hahaha, your not far wrong. Ah most of them are sound lads that you can have a bit of craic with (like during our Annual Soccer Match!), though some are headwrecking at times.

Skyrim

Tipplegend wrote: »

Hahaha, your not far wrong. Ah most of them are sound lads that you can have a bit of craic with (like during our Annual Soccer Match!), though some are headwrecking at times.

Ah in fairness, most of them are fine. Be good friends with a couple of them. but i know what you mean. You can imagine how some of them were like during election week :P. I look forward to joining ye in september, just regret not doing it earlier in first year. I'd love to go on the dail trip.

optimised

DJCR wrote: »

Sarah .... I mean (always forget her real name) would stick Ross kemp to the groud and pummel him for fun


Also, do join Ogra if its what your into, FF is a really interesting party to be in at the moment with regards to the rebuilding, soul searching and the differing attitudes to what we are actually now going to stand for.

Times change, people change and so must the parties that represent them....... the internal debate at the moment is mighty with the lower levels of the party being given more say as to what is going on - its the perfect time to join if you want to make a difference and of course learn alot about the political system. However, I warn you I have often spent the night in the Pub after the meetings on monday so if you can switch your tutorials from tuesday mornings that would be great (For yourself like, I'm a very persuasive person).

Anyone wanting to debate the finer echalons of Fianna Fail..... I'm on AH and Politics forum ....... see you there (And please make sure you can count to 5 + I don't speak German)!!!

DJCR...Ross Kemp is afraid of me, that is why he enters our house only when I am not there.

optimised

99Astra wrote: »

Hi Mulner92,

As Seloth, DJCR, and of course the always ever energetic Optimised (our Sarah :P) said, UL Ógra Fianna Fáil is a brilliant society to join and also on a National level within your home county. One thing I can guarantee you is this: if you are looking for a way to meet new friends and also experience a great mixture of politics and also fun, you have came to the right place. My own personal regret is that I didn't join sooner than when I did. The lads are an absolute group of legends, the nicest group of people you will ever meet. They are great friends to have and that's a fact. In case you are wondering I was secretary (and also PRO) of the Cumann since before Christmas. I have now completed my final year in UL (I was 4th year BBS fyi) and at the moment I am looking for a job so I won't be as involved as much I was (but one thing for sure is that I will still be in constant contact with the lads and I hope to be still involved and help them as much as I can even though I won't be below in Limerick (unless I decide to do a masters))

There has never been a better opportunity to join with a political society as we are going through a time of great change. It is change for the better as we are interested in political reform, after all we, the younger generation are the future of the Fianna Fáil party and politics in general and we want to change how politics is conducted. As the lads know from the meetings, we talk politics but in a fun way. We like to keep our meetings as light-hearted as possible but we also cover the relevant facts while having the best of craic We discuss items that are relevent to our members. Before Christmas for example as many of our members mentioned about the financial strain and worry they had beause they hadn't received their grant we drafted a policy proposing a reformation of how grants were processed which (like many of our previous policies) was sent up to Headquarters. We always had an open agenda so that if any member wanted to add something to be discussed, I would add it.

I think I have mentioned this at least a million times by now and will keep mentioning, is that we love to have the craic. Whatever a previous poster said about us being boring is wrong (he may be mixing us up - he may have gone to a YFG meeting ). After every meeting we always head to The Scholars (or as I know it - Java's) As DJCR said, it is advisible to change any Tuesday morning tutorials as many a night in Java's went further than there . As Seloth said, we headed to Doolin for St.Patrick's Day and had a great time there. During Christmas we also had two epic trips to Galway and Cork. It often happened that we'd get a text from one of the lads saying they're up in Limerick for the night (like what happened during the exams) and just meet up and head out.

Just to give you a taste of what we will be at next Semester, in October we will be heading to the Ard Fheis and in November to the NYC (National Youth Conference) where Ógraí meet up to have the maddest and best weekend ever. There hasn't been a NYC in the past 18 months so it's going to be brilliant! During that weekend we also elect who we want to reperesent us on the National Youth Committee. UL currently has three reperesentatives on it at the moment and we intend to have at least two next time around. We also intend on doing a Dail trip in September and also a trip to Westminister either during the first semester or early in the second semester (whenever it best suits the members). Carrying on from the €5,000 we raised for the Cian Cleary Benefit Fund in the end of March, we will also be definitely holding another charity event. We also intend to have guest speakers, draw up some policies, hold some campaigns and also small events so I definitely recommend you to join Ógra during the recruitment drive in Week 1 in September. Tell your freinds to also join. Also add us as a friend on facebook if you haven't already done so facebook.com/ulogra I'm hoping to come down to help the lads with the recruitment drive (as I mentioned above I'll be helping the lads as much as I can even from wherever I end up) but if I don't see you there, I probably meet you at some stage, most likely for starters on the Dáil trip! All I say is that it's going to be an eventful year!

Oh yeah, house party in Optimised house in week 1 :p:p

ASTRA SHUP YOU, I am not Sarah and I agree house party at my place week 1 or the 1st week of august as I am back to limerick on placement that week
Seloth didn't even go on our Clare trip, he missed such craic
We are always up for as they say "HAVING THE ULTIMATE CRAIC" and sure why wouldn't ya..:D

Skyrim

Are ye still having weekly meetings in UL during the summer?

Seloth

Skyrim wrote: »

Are ye still having weekly meetings in UL during the summer?

LOL nope :P

September shall be the next one.If you want get involved now then I suggest getting onto your local Cumann.

Killer Pigeon

Is Limerick back in the past or something? Seriously.

Join Labour Youth, Young Fine Gael or even better - no political youth wing at all. Join some sort of overseas aid or community outreach society UL might have if you really want to make a difference.

I'm in UCD and all I can say is that Ógra Fianna Fáil have tried to gain a monopoly over the Students' Union for many many years now. Some of UCDSU's most futile, incompetent and careerist sabbatical officer were members of Ógra Fianna Fáil.

They give out the most pathetic and sometimes the most irrelevant merchandise during Freshers' Week (clubs and societies week) at the beginning of the year. Last September they gave out discounted trips to Amsterdam and free Michael Collins DVDs (irony) to get people to join.

Seloth

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Is Limerick back in the past or something? Seriously.

Join Labour Youth, Young Fine Gael or even better - no political youth wing at all. Join some sort of overseas aid or community outreach society UL might have if you really want to make a difference.

I'm in UCD and all I can say is that Ógra Fianna Fáil have tried to gain a monopoly over the Students' Union for many many years now. Some of UCDSU's most futile, incompetent and careerist sabbatical officer were members of Ógra Fianna Fáil.

They give out the most pathetic and sometimes the most irrelevant merchandise during Freshers' Week (clubs and societies week) at the beginning of the year. Last September they gave out discounted trips to Amsterdam and free Michael Collins DVDs (irony) to get people to join.

Just because you have had a negative time with the UCD Ogra does not mean the UL one is as such.

I find it hard to believe such things were offered during freshers week,And much of your accusations could be put in place for any political youth group.People join for a reason,they don't just join a political party for the sake of it.

I could have joined YFG or LY myself if I wanted to but I didnt because I dislike aspects about their political stance or leadership etc.If anything this is the best time to join FF as the whole internal party system is being changed for the better and each person will have a chance to voice how he/she will feel for a matter and the direction of the party.The party isnt popular,so why would a person wishing to seek power or influence for ones self join.If anything it would be FG or Lab which are currently far more popular than FF.With FF reform you get a a chance to get involved with its directions,and not just follow a stance set out by the main organization.I actually have yet to meet a person that has joined for their own gain.I have heard storys of 2 or 3 in the Ogra across the entire country(Which there would be in any political Youth branch) but for the most part people have joined as they are interested in Politics.

Edit-Also why cant they join a Political Youth party and a dev soc/club.You know your not limited to one club or soc in College right :P.

Voodoo_rasher

it is if you're a pious church-goer who's into greyhounds, nags and temporary construction work.

are you a fan of Averil Power (who cannot spell her first name correctly, and sounds like she's inhaling while talking at the same time) ?

Seloth

Voodoo_rasher wrote: »

it is if you're a pious church-goer who's into greyhounds, nags and temporary construction work.

are you a fan of Averil Power (who cannot spell her first name correctly, and sounds like she's inhaling while talking at the same time) ?

Do you also believe everyone in France wears a beret and eats frog legs?Or that everyone who likes particular type of film is an idiot for not liking kind you like.

Voodoo_rasher

Seloth wrote: »

Do you also believe everyone in France wears a beret and eats frog legs?Or that everyone who likes particular type of film is an idiot for not liking kind you like.

France..films..of course not. But then I am prejudiced against the Soldiers of infamy

Seloth

Voodoo_rasher wrote: »

France..films..of course not. But then I am prejudiced against the Soldiers of infamy

Right so then keep your quips with the Main organization or the past even and post in Politics.As the Mod posted earlier this isnt the place to discuss FF in general nor is it meant to be a debating center.

Killer Pigeon

Seloth wrote: »

Just because you have had a negative time with the UCD Ogra does not mean the UL one is as such.

I find it hard to believe such things were offered during freshers week,And much of your accusations could be put in place for any political youth group.People join for a reason,they don't just join a political party for the sake of it.

You will find multiple witnesses in the UCD forum if you want to inquire about it here. It's the only reason they have a fairly large membership in UCD. During the Refreshers' Day in Semester 2 in UCD (when people can join societies if they forgot to at the beginning of the year) the FF-soc (KBC) wouldn't even show their face because they were so ashamed.

Seloth wrote: »

I could have joined YFG or LY myself if I wanted to but I didnt because I dislike aspects about their political stance or leadership etc.If anything this is the best time to join FF as the whole internal party system is being changed for the better and each person will have a chance to voice how he/she will feel for a matter and the direction of the party.

And why was it not changed before?

Seloth wrote: »

The party isnt popular,so why would a person wishing to seek power or influence for ones self join.If anything it would be FG or Lab which are currently far more popular than FF.

People don't join political parties because they are popular. They join them because they agree with their ideology. For example, you'd probably join Labour if you agreed with their democratic socialist or social democratic stance and you'd probably join FG if you agreed with their conservative economic stance, etc.. FF has never has a set ideology - they're populists and that's only reason they were so popular in the past, they didn't have set ideals - their policies suited the mob and that's what lead to catastrophic defeat in the end.

Seloth wrote: »

With FF reform you get a a chance to get involved with its directions,and not just follow a stance set out by the main organization.I actually have yet to meet a person that has joined for their own gain.I have heard storys of 2 or 3 in the Ogra across the entire country(Which there would be in any political Youth branch) but for the most part people have joined as they are interested in Politics.

Two or three? Are you serious, as if that's a good thing. Most people join FF nowadays because they had family ties with the organisation or FF have somehow helped their family in the past. They don't join for politics. FF is a disgrace to politics. FF will never reform themselves - they're a pseudo-political organisation. Corruption has been rampant in that party for decades! The country will breathe a sly of relief when they are non-existent and the political system can at long last have a proper left-right divide and not a system based on ancient Civil War divides between FG and FF.

Seloth

And why was it not changed before?

May I note the change of leadership..and please that is quite a silly argument to make.

people don't join political parties because they are popular. They join them because they agree with their ideology.

Um did I not state that already?Why I mentioned the popular party bit as I will repeat now is because some people would join the popular party for personal gain.

FF has never has a set ideology - they're populists and that's only reason they were so popular in the past, they didn't have set ideals - their policies suited the mob and that's what lead to catastrophic defeat in the end. P

The party is a centralist part and may I remind you again what the role of a Politician is in our democractic sociert...Public Representation.I'd rather vote for a politician that will take into account the interest of the people than vote for the politician whos varied ideologies I can somewhat relate too.

And please both FG and La are populist...One fine example recent example for Lab is Pat Rabitt and Lisbon II.

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Two or three? Are you serious, as if that's a good thing. Most people join FF nowadays because they had family ties with the organisation or FF have somehow helped their family in the past. They don't join for politics. FF is a disgrace to politics. FF will never reform themselves - they're a pseudo-political organisation. Corruption has been rampant in that party for decades! The country will breathe a sly of relief when they are non-existent and the political system can at long last have a proper left-right divide and not a system based on ancient Civil War divides between FG and FF.

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Your entire view on the political party is actually quite laughable.That fact that you can stereotype and make such assumptions makes me laugh.They are both wild and hugely inaccurate.Your views on the party reminds me of some in a caravan spewing out how the CIA put a probe in their teeth.Please take a look at other political parties as well with a neutral view from with ever one you support as you will see each party acts for the most part the same.

Now again as the Mod said this is not a place to discuss politics.The Op asked if it was a good group to join in UL...Something which you clearly have no knowledge or experience with.

*facepalm*...Gotta love the internet and its soapbox.

Killer Pigeon

Seloth wrote: »

May I note the change of leadership..and please that is quite a silly argument to make.

Change of leadership? Lol. As the French say "Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose". Micheál "Monty Burns" Martin (a.k.a. Jack Lynch impersonator) first became a cabinet minister in Bertie "corrupt-liar" Ahern's first cabinet (alongside Mary "I gobbled up the Health-Service" Harney and Ray "Mahon Tribunal" Burke). Martin oversaw the creation of the disastrous HSE which has plagued the lives of many in this country since. If you think that Martin is any "change" from your characteristic Fianna Fáil politician I'm afraid you're highly mistaken.

Let's not forget Martin's best friends in the Opposition, such as Brian Cowen and Brian Lenihan (where do I start with these two) both of whom would be invariably seen again around a cabinet table if FF ever got back into Government. Do you view this as change? Let's not forget the fact that nearly all of the 20 FF TD's in the 31st Dáil had family members who were at some point FF TDs themselves. Do you view continuing political dynasties as change? FF has a greater history of corruption than any other political party in this state combined and tripled.

Seloth wrote: »

The party is a centralist part and may I remind you again what the role of a Politician is in our democratic sociert...Public Representation.I'd rather vote for a politician that will take into account the interest of the people than vote for the politician whos varied ideologies I can somewhat relate too.

I think you mean centrist not centralist (centralist is something completely different), in reality FF is an "all over the political spectrum" party depending on public opinion. Also, if someone from, say, the Socialist Party got elected then I imagine the section of the electorate that voted that person into office would want him/her to implement and defend the policies that that party had in their election manifesto. The electorate wouldn't want them to suddenly diverge completely from it after they got elected - this would be lying and would undermine our democratic institutions. FF are guilty of this on many occasions.

Seloth wrote: »

And please both FG and La are populist...One fine example recent example for Lab is Pat Rabitt and Lisbon II.

How was his stance on Lisbon II remotely populist? The Irish public had voted 'No' in Lisbon I and he was defending the democratic choice of the people? The fact that both Nice II and Lisbon II went forward in the first place shows an inherent flaw in the democratic constitutional ratification of the state. The public were scaremongered into passing both the Nice and Lisbon treaties.

Seloth wrote: »

Your entire view on the political party is actually quite laughable.That fact that you can stereotype and make such assumptions makes me laugh.They are both wild and hugely inaccurate.Your views on the party reminds me of some in a caravan spewing out how the CIA put a probe in their teeth.Please take a look at other political parties as well with a neutral view from with ever one you support as you will see each party acts for the most part the same.

My opinions on the Fianna Fáil Party are not based on assumption but hard facts that arose from years upon years of tribunals into the corruption of Fianna Fáil politicians on a scale not seen in any other political party in the history of this state. My opinions are also based on the inherently flawed decision making of FF politicians during their respective time in office that has brought to do the point we're at now. If you regard my opinions as akin to those held by a raving conspiracy theorist than all I can say is that you must have been thoroughly brainwashed by Ógra FF.

Seloth wrote: »

Now again as the Mod said this is not a place to discuss politics.The Op asked if it was a good group to join in UL...Something which you clearly have no knowledge or experience with.

Yet you were the one who started to discuss the main party's platform on the national stage when you replied to my first post on this thread. My previous replies to you were in response to that. So you're no angel when it comes to adhering to Mod warnings or the matters concerning the OP.

Seloth wrote: »

*facepalm*...Gotta love the internet and its soapbox.

Yeah it's great.

Fraher91

Lads leave it out, the OP of ths thread merely asked about joining the Cumann. I'm pretty sure he/she didn't want 4 or 5 pages of idealogy etc.

Killer Pigeon

The OP asked if it was a "good society". I imagine UL Ógra FF is a branch of the national Ógra FF organisation and their policies and ideology would be more or less parallel. Therefore if one could denounce Ógra FF as being careerist, futile and incompetent then you could more or less denounce UL Ógra FF as being the same. Nowadays there are only a certain echelon of students within any university who would join Ógra FF. Debating their policies would help the OP make up his/her mind about weather or not it is a "good society".

sceptre

For those of you who can't heed a clear moderator warning, please learn to read. It will be of benefit when opening the infraction notice you've just received by PM.

As far as I can see, the useful responses have been made and what's going to be added at this point is off-topic mumbo-jumbo by those who think that moderator notices don't apply to them. This isn't the metaphorical-penis-waving forum, nor is it going to be. The notice (a clear instruction) wasn't hard to spot and has been referenced by a few people since who got the reason for the thread being started. Take it to the Politics forum please if you want to discuss the generalities, but kindly take the time to read the forum charter to avid getting burned.

Kudos to those who actually got the point of what the OP was asking.

Locked per the above.