All this fawning over Obama is embarrassing.

patneve2

Obama's has goodwill and does want to change things...However even when you're in that position (the most powerful leader in the world), there is only a certain amount you can do...

Solnskaya

The best laugh was Inda's speech was a complete re-hash of an old Obummer speech.
"So deep in debt he should have flown in Ryanair and hitched to moneygall, I give you....... Ballax O'bummer, oil hungry, flaky and just visiting the embarrasing in-laws on the way to an important meeting".

Probably wouldn't have had the same ring to it, but I bet a Chinese lad somwhere had a good laugh when he heard him introduced as the worlds most powerful man. "Oh reah, he velly pareful, hey Barrax, wen you gonna give back arl them dorrar you owe me beaach?? He He He."

Jimmy Garlic

gargleblaster wrote: »

Citation, source, anything?

And what about the national debt? It increased from $5 trillion to $10 trillion in the Bush years,

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/2009/02/obamas-trillions-dwarf-bushs-dangerous-spending#ixzz1NJ70Atzg

It was actually close to 6 trillion when Bush entered office...

Do the maths here;

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/NPGateway

It currently stands at nearly 15 trillion.

gargleblaster

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

It was actually close to 6 trillion when Bush entered office...

Do the maths here;

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/NPGateway

It currently stands at nearly 15 trillion.

:pac:

Could you try for a non-partisan source please?

Also it'd be good if the wars that Bush funded off the budget were included, cause honesty counts. Thanks!


edit: Hah, I see that you realized how horribly crappy that last article was. Nice edit.

Still, running wars off budget, big no no. Adjustment required for an honest assessment, perhaps?

InTheTrees

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

It was actually close to 6 trillion when Bush entered office...

I like how you conveniently omit the fact that the entire worlds fcuking economy went down the toilet due to bush and his right wing cronies in 2008.

Did you think we wouldnt notice? That we'd forgotten how things have changed since 2000?

previous user

I'd rather have him in charge of the western world than McBain.

sparkydub2012

Hazys wrote: »

All this negativity and begrudging is embrassing

true. so much negativity. he blows kids up in places you do not live. ah well

Jimmy Garlic

gargleblaster wrote: »

:pac:

Could you try for a non-partisan source please?

Also it'd be good if the wars that Bush funded off the budget were included, cause honesty counts. Thanks!


edit: Hah, I see that you realized how horribly crappy that last article was. Nice edit.

Still, running wars off budget, big no no. Adjustment required for an honest assessment, perhaps?

Obamas off budget spending/emergency supplementals balances out the Bush off budget spending. Obama is funding wars off budget just like Bush did. Are you under the illusion that off budget spending no longer takes place?.

Jimmy Garlic

InTheTrees wrote: »

I like how you conveniently omit the fact that the entire worlds fcuking economy went down the toilet due to bush and his right wing cronies in 2008.

Did you think we wouldnt notice? That we'd forgotten how things have changed since 2000?

I am no fan of Bush, he was/is a lowlife.. Obama is continuing in the same vein as Bush. That is the point I am making.

gargleblaster

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Obamas off budget spending/emergency supplementals balances out the Bush off budget spending. Obama is funding wars off budget just like Bush did. Are you under the illusion that off budget spending no longer takes place?.

Citation? Source?

Here's mine, which says you're wrong.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/161/end-the-abuse-of-supplemental-budgets-for-war/

Do you have a source which says that the wars are still being funded off budget? If so please provide it.

Also please cite the off budget stuff for Obama. Thanks.

As for off budget spending still going on, I'm sure you're right. The question is how much money are we talking? Is it an actual emergency or is it planned (like continuing wars are)?

previous user

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Obamas off budget spending/emergency supplementals balances out the Bush off budget spending. Obama is funding wars off budget just like Bush did. Are you under the illusion that off budget spending no longer takes place?.

Obama isn't funding wars really is he, I mean he's trying to wind it up as quickly as possible while at the same time not trying to look weak in the eyes of Eastern countries.

gargleblaster

previous user wrote: »

Obama isn't funding wars really is he, I mean he's trying to wind it up as quickly as possible while at the same time not trying to look weak in the eyes of Eastern countries.

He is, if you look at the source I cited above, he has used the off budget tactic at least twice. Once in order to adjust Bush's budget (it was the only way to do so) and once at the urgent request of military advisors and congress.

So as of now he hasn't abused it as such (unlike Bush), that I know of anyway.

bob50

This "IrishSaint" from America now has 2 options to get relected next year.


Either get the american economy going upwards before November '12 or Start a war with another country. Pakistan looks fav.for this at the moment

Oh and talk any auld s***e to an irish audience in Dame st might help garner up some of the paddywhackery vote in America

jill_valentine

I dunno, I think the Osama thing might stand in his favour on the right. And the Republicans have yet to present anybody who wouldn't make you change seats on the Luas.

bob50

Right thats it ive just seen Obama tell the Queen on Sky news He's British on his mothers side. Either he's one or the other..... or mabybe he's both ????

KINGVictor

bob50 wrote: »

This "IrishSaint" from America now has 2 options to get relected next year.


Either get the american economy going upwards before November '12 or Start a war with another country. Pakistan looks fav.for this at the moment

Oh and talk any auld s***e to an irish audience in Dame st might help garner up some of the paddywhackery vote in America

I think you and a lot of people are overemphasising this talk about the 'Irish American vote'. You seem to imagine that most people who identify themselves as having Irish ancestry are a bloc that have some phenomenal impact on elections in the US, that is simply not the case at all. Afterall, they have different perpectives on how the US should be run.

If Obama was actually looking for a bloc of voters to suck up to, it would be the Jewish or the evangelicals which at the moment are at loggerheards with his policies and almost everything he stands for.

KINGVictor

bob50 wrote: »

Right thats it ive just seen Obama tell the Queen on Sky news He's British on his mothers side. Either he's one or the other..... or mabybe he's both ????

He can't be both...No? Would that be a problem?

FinnLizzy

What's really getting on my tits is that anyone with a critical analysis of the event gets an instant reaction along the lines of "Well at least he's lifting us from the doom and gloom.... he's the PRESIDENT..... Do you just want to moan.....".
his most recent success? Where's the video?)

Darlughda

Few things are more embarssing than the sycophanic sheepy adulation given to an X factor politician such as Obama.

In fairness to sensibleken, nothing does exceed genital warts.Hon, keep them to yourself.Please.

hogflem

It's got to the stage where two dogs f**king on the side of the road will draw a crowd of drunken protesters and an automatic front page in the morning paper.

Console

you know what ... i'll be the one to say it.

people moaned about the queen coming over and were replied with harsh comments. The past is the past, etc.

Obama, the current US president (and which Ireland has no negitive past with the yanks) comes over here to a warm recption. Suddenly those people are idiots. While, anyone who "welcomed" the queen was 'correct' :rolleyes:

Chnandler Bong

I honestly dont know anyone that had a bad word to say about either visits, I thought Enda Kenny any Mary McAleese did us proud, and that reflects well on us as we are the ones that elected them.

As for these anti-British or American whingers I fell sorry for all of them, the must have little to be worrying about, whinging about an frail 85 year old women shaking a few hands and the first black American president visiting his ancestors.

Also for the people complaining about the money spent on these visits, they seem to be all scummers on the dole(not victims of the recession!!) and have no intention of earning they're own money!!

Snappy the Moose

I love Obama, his soft chocolaty skin melts on my eyes like a magnum basking in the glorious Irish sunshine.

ninebeanrows

Obama man is the ultimate phony.

All good at heart.

but what i hate is the Enda haters.

i think the irony is Enda haters and obama lovers.

Dear dear.

Darlughda

So Obama does his election mongering speech for the irish americans and crowds who are jizzy for the likes of jedward and westlife lap it up.

then we are told this a motivational speech to spur on our economy, and any doubters should be told 'Is féidir linn'.

Complete bollíx. This is bertie style denial of the real state of our economic situation.

How dare this man use paddywhackery and the auld yank refrain that my long lost grand pa's 8th cousin was irish kind of shíte?

The fact is there is no positive thinking to get us out of this economic situation. The lower middle class-to lower paid worker will see their paycuts drastically cut, and no amount of fúckin 'Is féidir linn' is going to change that.

People flocking to see celebrities, whether they be royalty, politicians or plain gobshítes like westlife or jedward deserve the disgust they get from others who have at least some semblance of a brain.

ballsymchugh

Darlughda wrote: »

So Obama does his election mongering speech for the irish americans and crowds who are jizzy for the likes of jedward and westlife lap it up.

then we are told this a motivational speech to spur on our economy, and any doubters should be told 'Is féidir linn'.

Complete bollíx. This is bertie style denial of the real state of our economic situation.

How dare this man use paddywhackery and the auld yank refrain that my long lost grand pa's 8th cousin was irish kind of shíte?

The fact is there is no positive thinking to get us out of this economic situation. The lower middle class-to lower paid worker will see their paycuts drastically cut, and no amount of fúckin 'Is féidir linn' is going to change that.

People flocking to see celebrities, whether they be royalty, politicians or plain gobshítes like westlife or jedward deserve the disgust they get from others who have at least some semblance of a brain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcXyMfK0eDQ

Darlughda

That the best you can do......armpit farts?


Cool story, bro.


Give us a call when you get out of school.

ballsymchugh

that'll be at 3.30, but you'll still be angry!

Darlughda

ballsymchugh wrote: »

that'll be at 3.30, but you'll still be angry!

And you will still need to get up in the morning for school, little boy.:)

ballsymchugh

Darlughda wrote: »

And you will still need to get up in the morning for school, little boy.:)

work actually. gotta stay positive, unlike others!

Darlughda

ballsymchugh wrote: »

work actually. gotta stay positive, unlike others!

You do just that, ya big warrior. Just see how your positive thinking affects the reality of your pay check and outgoings over the next couple of years.

ballsymchugh

Darlughda wrote: »

You do just that, ya big warrior. Just see how your positive thinking affects the reality of your pay check and outgoings over the next couple of years.

upwards usually.

Console

ballsymchugh
best reply ever with the arm farts video. :pac:

Darlughda

ballsymchugh wrote: »

upwards usually.

into the clouds of dreams...how sweet.


but, deep down you know damn well you have been force fed a big media pup. Its all smoke and mirrors. but some folk hate reality.

Let me guess, I'm a begrudger now, because I refuse to indulge your nice little fantasy that the economy will miracolously turn around globally, and all will be sweet in your little world forever and ever....just stay positive boy..

ballsymchugh

Darlughda wrote: »

into the clouds of dreams...how sweet.


but, deep down you know damn well you have been force fed a big media pup. Its all smoke and mirrors. but some folk hate reality.

Let me guess, I'm a begrudger now, because I refuse to indulge your nice little fantasy that the economy will miracolously turn around globally, and all will be sweet in your little world forever and ever....just stay positive boy..

you're not a begrudger, you're just angry. it's not my nice little fantasy about the economy at all, but yep, i'll try and keep everything sweet in my little world. no point in staying angry.

Darlughda

ballsymchugh wrote: »

you're not a begrudger, you're just angry. it's not my nice little fantasy about the economy at all, but yep, i'll try and keep everything sweet in my little world. no point in staying angry.

Better to be angry than be mortified with embarrasment.

Sensibleken came out with some very good and witty alternative reasons to be embarrased on this thread, but none of those make me shy away from my own people, like you do and others who refuse to face the truth.

jill_valentine

There's a middle ground between completely deluded fantasy land and totally embittered surrender. Whatever about the former, we've no shortage of the latter. This weird impulse to make sure absolutely everybody has completely given up on any chance of individual success is utterly bizarre.

We get it, we can see that the economy is broken beyond any semblance of repair in our generation - but we've still got to get up tomorrow all the same. Some of us are lucky enough to have jobs, most of us are lucky to have our health, and none of us live in a third world country. Nobody in Ireland lives in a corrugated iron shanty town, there are no iminent machete coups hanging over our heads, or cholera epidemics killing our children, and all of that's unlikely to change before the week is out. The world has not ended, nor indeed has Ireland.

Recognising all of that shouldn't be a radical statement, or one that automatically demands scathing ridicule. It's one thing to be pragmatic about the state we're in, but this aggressive, competitive kind of defeatism is always only ever going to be self-fulfilling.

If Obama's visit only served to knock a few people out of that mindset one way or the other, then it seems to me like it was a worthwhile exercise.

deathrider

I don't think I'd ever heard the word "begrudgery" before I started reading this thread, and I already think it's over-used.

Hank Scorpio

Darlughda wrote: »

Better to be angry than be mortified with embarrasment.

Sensibleken came out with some very good and witty alternative reasons to be embarrased on this thread, but none of those make me shy away from my own people, like you do and others who refuse to face the truth.

You seem to be very bitter, everyone is aware of the mess we're in. Giving people inspiration to keep their heads held high isn't a bad thing imo. If Obama's speech let people forget about the recession for just that moment and exhaled some type of hope then it was worth it.

It will take a long time before Ireland recovers, but eventually we will.

Darlughda

nuxxx wrote: »

You seem to be very bitter, everyone is aware of the mess we're in. Giving people inspiration to keep their heads held high isn't a bad thing imo. If Obama's speech let people forget about the recession for just that moment and exhaled some type of hope then it was worth it.

It will take a long time before Ireland recovers, but eventually we will.

Yawn. Same old' same old. whatever. You keep believing.....

Hank Scorpio

Darlughda wrote: »

Yawn. Same old' same old. whatever. You keep believing.....

http://jobs.ie/

You could also do a college course, get a degree and apply abroad if you wanted

Darlughda

nuxxx wrote: »

http://jobs.ie/

You could also do a college course, get a degree and apply abroad if you wanted

Quit projecting nuxxx, funny as that is considering I have a masters degree, but you go for it hun, if that's what you want but haven't the nerve to do it yourself, only can nudge online strangers to do what you want yourself....

Hank Scorpio

Darlughda wrote: »

Quit projecting nuxxx, funny as that is considering I have a masters degree, but you go for it hun, if that's what you want but haven't the nerve to do it yourself, only can nudge online strangers to do what you want yourself....

Got a degree myself too. Anyway, calling me hun, or son as you called another poster makes me wonder about you and your priorities.

Darlughda

nuxxx wrote: »

Got a degree myself too. Anyway, calling me hun, or son as you called another poster makes me wonder about you and your priorities.

Anyway, back on topic. How about you wondering about Obama's priorities?

Hank Scorpio

Darlughda wrote: »

Anyway, back on topic. How about you wondering about Obama's priorities?

I don't really care about them to be honest.

Night.

Darlughda

nuxxx wrote: »

I don't really care about them to be honest.

Night.

Oh, that is just hilarious. So you just admit that you do not care, let alone have any interest or knowledge in Obama's priorities, yet you see fit to post this tripe in a thread about Obama:

nuxxx wrote: »

You seem to be very bitter, everyone is aware of the mess we're in. Giving people inspiration to keep their heads held high isn't a bad thing imo. If Obama's speech let people forget about the recession for just that moment and exhaled some type of hope then it was worth it.

It will take a long time before Ireland recovers, but eventually we will.

Just shows the kind of empty rhetoric shíte that is spouted in many posts on this thread, no substance, all dreams and nice words.

Stay positive. Is féidir linn and it'll be all right in the morning.

Sweet dreams, nuxx, because thats all they are and ever will be.

Wheelie King

I lol'd as i watched the news the other night. Obama holding up and kissing kids and the lemmings lapping it up as he downed a pint. People are so easily played by the elite it's pathetic to watch.

brendanL

Easily played? ...or he just did that pub and the country the biggest tourism boost it's going to feel for some time.

I'm glad there was so many people out, nations around watched and seen the welcome he got. He is the american dream!?!?!? Sure his life was easy, but hi family didn't always.

Of course people should be happy to get a chance to shake hands and talk with him. He's the most powerful man in the world and there he is taking time to shake hands with Irish randomers in their little town.

Did I cringe and the majority of Moneygall's events .. yes I did. But I realised how important it was for the place and this little island.

All the news is doom and gloom about jobs and job seekers allowance and so forth. This was a nice outlet to be positive for a day.

beatrice33

sure, I have no problem with people feeling happy or motivated after Obama's speech (just coz he said yeswecan in gaelic?)

The problem that most of people fail to see, is that you are falling for the Obama brand.

As Chris Hedges says: "President Obama does one thing and brand Obama gets you to believe another. This is the essence of successful advertising. You buy or do what the advertiser wants because of what they make you feel. It is called Junk Politics."

Sykk

OurLadyofKnock wrote: »

He is also a war criminal. If oil was discovered under Dame Street he would of launched his helicopter gunships and killer unmanned drones and blown up all the screaming retarded animals on College Green last night in a minute. In the interest of "Freedom and Democracy" of course...

What also amazes me is so many people I know people who correctly protested War Criminal Bush when he came here, were jizzing in their pants over War Criminal Obama last night with no sense of irony!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MRmxfLuNto