Pushing ones views

CerebralCortex

Mistress 69 wrote: »

Is that your best shot..............wow!

You don't deserve my best shot Troll!

Mistress 69

optogirl wrote: »

They are going on figures from the 2006 census. I'll be very surprised if those figures add up when the 2011 census is totted up. And wtf has what the CIA say about Ireland got to do with the reality here in the country. Accept it. Catholicism is dying an agonisingly slow death and deservedly so.

The 2011 figures will be marginally different, despite an ai campaign to encourage weak/lapsed/a la carte etc Catholics to tick the atheist box on the census form.

Why do I have a feeling of Dejavu in all this. Remains to be seen if it dies.

Question for you. Why does Catholicism desrve to die ?


EDIT Assuming your ears have recovered from the Loud Bells at six, any chance you could answer the question.

Mistress 69

CerebralCortex wrote: »

You don't deserve my best shot Troll!

Let me get this straight.... you call me a troll because you cant deal with or dissagree with what I say. You Better not join the Diplomatic Corps then!:p

CerebralCortex

Mistress 69 wrote: »

Let me get this straight.... you call me a troll because you cant deal with or dissagree with what I say. You Better not join the Diplomatic Corps then!:p

No because you're a [WORD DELETED BY MODERATOR] and it would be a waste of time which most diplomacy plus you're a troll.

Mistress 69

koth wrote: »

You made the statement, not the CIA.

Ireland's largest religious group is RCC, perfectly fine.

Ireland is a Catholic country, nonsense. First of all, we have divorce in this country. Last I checked that's not a sacrament of the RCC.

P.S. I checked the CIA website for any statement that Ireland is a Catholic country, and surprise, surprise there isn't one.

Points I missed on your last Post, Sorry.....

I am not sure The RCC is as privaleged as it used to be.
Granted there are lots of areas that dont have the excellent school situation as I have here.

The people voted in divorce, me included, well the excommunication stuff that could have resuted from that is being argued by me and others already.

I will find you the link. from memory CIA Factfile, but it is there.

Mistress 69

optogirl wrote: »

mmm, a very measured and reasonable argument.Delighted to see the smiley faces are back - they're great for when you have nothing to say aren't they?

actually I think I have said quite a lot. If you could stop cribbing at everything I say maybe you could say something too!

Zillah

That's an unnecessarily large font Robin. I object purely on aesthetic grounds.

robindch

Down one size, but only on æsthetic grounds

Dades

Would have been better in Comic Sans. :pac:

Knasher

Mistress 69 wrote: »

Question for you. Why does Catholicism desrve to die ?

The Hazards of Belief sticky thread probably covers that.

To be honest I think the majority of atheists don't really care what people believe, beyond thinking it's all a bit silly. Much like astrology, it's silly but if you want to live your life by it that's fine. The problem with religion is that it also forces things on the rest of us as well as well as restricting our rights beyond what it restricts to the believers.

Which is why atheists tend to be secularists as well (I would say all atheists are secularists but I don't want to be given out to for generalizing and ignoring the masochists of the world). Of course not all secularists are atheists, which is why I strongly feel you should examine this campaign on its own merits and not just dismiss it as an atheist plot.

Ghost Buster

QUOTE=Ghost Buster;72797342]And yet you have used this woman as an example of Atheist Ireland 'pushing' their views[/QUOTE]

Mistress 69 wrote: »

No I dont think I did, without going through all the posts I said that The removal of the crucifix from schools was an objective of AI. This woman came up in relation to the case at the European Court.

But you clearly did. I said that rather than Atheist Ireland "Pushing ' their views perhaps they are simply stating their views. You replied with some disjointed waffle that they are more than stating their views when a random woman from some random country does something or other through the courts of some country. So you are arguing that anything opposed to religion or a particular religion happening in any part of the globe is somehow directly related to Atheist Ireland.
OK THEN!!!:rolleyes:

Sarky

Mistress 69 wrote: »

Question for you. Why does Catholicism desrve to die ?

Because humanity is growing up, and beginning to realise it doesn't need magic to explain the universe and our places in it. More sensible ideas, less harmful to society are emerging. Education and discovery continue to reveal flaws in superstition and tradition for the sake of tradition.

It's a non-biological kind of natural selection. The Catholic church is very different to how it was a hundred years ago. It will become more different in another hundred. It doesn't necessarily deserve to die. It doesn't deserve to live, either. Ideas and opinions change, whether you like it or not. Little by little, Catholicism as people know it is dying. Kick up a fuss all you like. It's inevitable.

The fact that some of us are content to give the knife in God's back a little twist to help things on is a drop in the ocean, mostly balanced out by people who would keep an idea stagnant at any cost.

Knasher

Mistress 69 wrote: »

Not so, and not intended to. Have a look at the CIA website re Ireland. Would you argue with their figures!

Seeing as you are harking back to the numbers thing perhaps you really don't understand why that just isn't a good enough excuse. So allow me to draw a simple analogy. Around 15% of elected Irish politicians are female, given that would you view it as acceptable if the government refused to consider policies benefiting women (even those without any real detriments to men) simply because there is a male majority? Would a fear that it might be the "thin edge of the wedge" be an adequate reason to ignore them?

philologos

Mistress_69: I'm confused. Are you arguing that the State should favour Roman Catholicism over other beliefs and none? As much as I may disagree with the guys in here I think that their case in respect to schooling, and other areas of life which more often than not hasn't been listened to needs to be listened to now.

I think we as a mature society need to be able to enter into dialogue with eachother with differences so as to come to some form of amicable agreement as to how we are going to live together. That's fair in my opinion.

Mistress 69

To all concerned

Due to business commitments I am off boards for a few days and will return during the week.

Thanks
Mistress 69

Mistress 69

koth wrote: »

You made the statement, not the CIA.


P.S. I checked the CIA website for any statement that Ireland is a Catholic country, and surprise, surprise there isn't one.

Koth
The link I mentioned, Drop down the People Tab and scroll to religion.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ei.html#

If the link does not work google CIA world factbook and then search for Ireland

Please let’s not get into the argument as to Real or A la Carte.:)

Mistress 69

In reply to Knasher, Philologos, Sarky and Ghostbuster


First of all let me say all of your last posts raise very valid issues. I started this thread specifically in relation to an objective of AI re the crucifix. It has since gone back and forth to here, largely covering the same issues.
At the outset I would not have been aware as to the depth of feeling held by parents not wishing a Catholic education given to their kids, and all the related posts on this thread have been a bit of an eye opener for me. My stated view now is yes it is unfair on those parents and consideration should be given to them, some form of amicable agreement as to how to do so should be reached. I am sure you have seen the link below indicates that this will happen.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0622/breaking24.html
Yes I do think AI are pushing their views in relation to the objectives that can be viewed on their site. However, it was not my intention for anybody to infer that AI had any involvement (other than moral support) with the case in Italy. Apologies if I gave that impression.


As this thread is beaten to death there is no need to reply to any of the above.

Mistress 69

Delirium

Mistress 69 wrote: »

Koth
The link I mentioned, Drop down the People Tab and scroll to religion.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ei.html#

If the link does not work google CIA world factbook and then search for Ireland

Please let’s not get into the argument as to Real or A la Carte.:)

Had a look at it, it was what I'd looked at before btw;)

it says:

Roman Catholic 87.4%, Church of Ireland 2.9%, other Christian 1.9%, other 2.1%, unspecified 1.5%, none 4.2% (2006 census)

That is not a statement that Ireland is a Catholic country, which is what you alleged the website said.

Link to the data

the fact that the constitution removed the part about the catholic church having a special place alone demonstrates that this is not a catholic country

philologos

bluewolf wrote: »

the fact that the constitution removed the part about the catholic church having a special place alone demonstrates that this is not a catholic country

The State isn't and shouldn't be Roman Catholic or anything else. I think Mistress 69 is conflating the following two statements:

1) Ireland is a Roman Catholic country.
2) Ireland is a nation with many Roman Catholics / The majority of people in Ireland are Roman Catholics.

It could be questioned as to what extent the latter clause of 2 is true any more.