Pushing ones views

Galvasean

Nobody suspects the Requisition!!!!

Turtwig

Zillah wrote: »

You don't think I have the requisite religious knowledge? Think about it.

On the contrary I think you have tonnes of knowledge, but given the acerbic tone you often have here I can't imagine you being a religious teacher. Although, maybe your tone is way to vent the fumes.:)

Zillah

For almost I decade I have been posting here, collecting data about the most insufferable theistic arguments possible. By now I have a collection of wacky claims and specious arguments so potent that even a small child slaps his forehead, rolls his eyes and thinks "What a fool, this Christian!"

dead one

ShooterSF wrote: »

I'd like to hear dead one's opinion on the subject.

Buddy!!! sorry for being late.... Here is my opinion on the subject..

krudler wrote: »

can you do this in all the threads he posts in from now on :pac:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=71946421&postcount=16

Now see.... See the title of thread

Pushing ones views

liamw

Galvasean wrote: »

Secondary school was more of a, "Why the hell are you telling me this crap, my exams are in two months time!" feeling.

I got an exemption from religion class!

I didn't have religion class in secondary. I was very happy about that

Dades

dead one wrote: »

Buddy!!! sorry for being late.... Here is my opinion on the subject....

Ironically, dead one, as a Muslim your view on displaying crucifixes in class would be worth hearing - assuming you stay on topic.

(I realise Jesus is also cool in Islam.)

dead one

Dades wrote: »

Ironically, dead one, as a Muslim your view on displaying crucifixes in class would be worth hearing -

Islam doesn't support such ideas..........and we believe Jesus as muslim....
These types of pagan symbols like cross came into Christianity from Egyptian or greek tradition....The Roman Catholic Church took the cross symbol at least 600 years after jesus's crucifixtion
Even you will find in history early christian had rejected this symbol....

The Etruscan God Ixion was often depicted crucified on a solar wheel (note the similarity to the Chi-Ro cross):

http://www.morrischia.com/david/portfolio/orpheus/research/solar-cross.html

Dades

So dead one - we can put you down with the secularists on this?

It's a good thing to remove religious symbolism to do with other people's religions from public schools?

dead one

Dades wrote: »

It's a good thing to remove religious symbolism to do with other people's religions from public schools?

Yes i agree, To avoid any perception of idolatry, such symbols aren't allowed....The Islam warns against people becoming consumed by or passionate about the such symbols.... or attaching themselves to these symbols rather God....

Mistress 69

Originally posted by Dades
I think there are far more important things in this world to worry about than crosses in classrooms. This is a small issue, and, like a bit of grit in your eye, sometimes small issues are the most irritating.


For such a small issue it sure has stirred up a hornets nest of debate, not just here, it went to The European Court. I agree with you in that there are far more important issues in this world and look forward to debating them on boards. As for Ireland suffering at the hands of the Church and the Religous, that is undoubtadley true. I feel exactly the same sense of anger as everyone does. I do believe and as a parent would want to believe that when the classroom door shuts that it is no longer a question of them in charge. I reckon those horrid days are over, having said that some dreadfull events will probably surface somehere.

Galvasean

Mistress 69 wrote: »

I reckon those horrid days are over, having said that some dreadfull events will probably surface somehere.

Try Africa

Mistress 69

Galvasean wrote: »

Try Africa

In many ways I am glad I did not see it. Thanks for the link and I will follow the thread.

liamw

dead one wrote: »

Yes i agree, To avoid any perception of idolatry, such symbols aren't allowed....The Islam warns against people becoming consumed by or passionate about the such symbols.... or attaching themselves to these symbols rather God....

You agree though for completely different reasons. I'm sure if Islam promoted idolatory, you would be all for it.

robindch

Mistress 69 wrote: »

I believe these stats are as good a reason as any to leave things as they are

I think you'll find that your pope calls this kind of thing "moral relativism".

Far as I remember, he doesn't like it.

Mistress 69

robindch wrote: »

I think you'll find that your pope calls this kind of thing "moral relativism".

Far as I remember, he doesn't like it.

You could well be right.

Mistress 69

smokingman wrote: »

I don't know why I'm feeding this trolobite but anyways...

I assume you have no issue with spending a few hours each week teaching the children about scientology and having a picture of L. Ron Hubbard beside the crucifix yeah? How's about a Satanic pentagram, Islamic half moon etc up there as well?

Well if you want to do that go right ahead, I reckon any Christian school would have major issues with that, though you could always petition the courts if you wish.

As a Christian posting on the A&A forum you will agree that a lot of flak gets fired my way. Anything that goes against your fondly held beliefs comes in for all sorts of criticism in an attempt to make us go away.

Due to the amount of posts let off almost in unison, it can take a revist to the thread to reply so apologies for the delay in producing a proper reply as against the instant one you previously got.

5uspect

Mistress 69 wrote: »

Well if you want to do that go right ahead, I reckon any Christian school would have major issues with that, though you could always petition the courts if you wish.

As a Christian posting on the A&A forum you will agree that a lot of flak gets fired my way. Anything that goes against your fondly held beliefs comes in for all sorts of criticism in an attempt to make us go away.

Due to the amount of posts let off almost in unison, it can take a revist to the thread to reply so apologies for the delay.

Schools paid for by the Irish Tax payer and handed over without question into the patronage of the RCC. At least the times, they are a changing...
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056282004

Mistress 69

5uspect wrote: »

Schools paid for by the Irish Tax payer and handed over without question into the patronage of the RCC. At least the times, they are a changing...
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056282004

I saw this earlier and was one of the first to post on it. I think it is great news maybe we can agree on that at least!

condra

I get the impression Mistress69 is warming to us.

strobe

condra wrote: »

I get the impression Mistress69 is warming to us.

It's fun leading people into temptation.

Mistress 69

Zillah wrote: »

People in a privileged status always feel wronged when they start being treated like everyone else. Christians are going to be feeling that way more and more over the next few decades.

It's going to be fun.

As you are one of what I refer to as a crowd poster, that is one of those who tries to overun my posts in the hope I will go away you did not get replied to immediatley. Two things, 1) you stated my threads are the worst ever to which I say that is only because you dont hold the same views. 2) It remains to be seen if your views re the next few decades actually come to pass, your not past the finishing line yet and hopefully, never will be. Hoorah!

dead one

liamw wrote: »

You agree though for completely different reasons. I'm sure if Islam promoted idolatory, you would be all for it.

Intellect isn't free from criticism..........Establish the building your deeds on Love

smokingman

Mistress 69 wrote: »

Well if you want to do that go right ahead, I reckon any Christian school would have major issues with that, though you could always petition the courts if you wish.

As a Christian posting on the A&A forum you will agree that a lot of flak gets fired my way. Anything that goes against your fondly held beliefs comes in for all sorts of criticism in an attempt to make us go away.

Due to the amount of posts let off almost in unison, it can take a revist to the thread to reply so apologies for the delay in producing a proper reply as against the instant one you previously got.

When you arrived here, you attacked atheists with all the panache of a hoody wearing yob, calling us losers, idiots etc. I'm glad to see your correspondance has since reverted to a somewhat more civilized chatter.

Much like JC and dead one, it's good to have you here and I think most people can agree with me on that one as you are a shining example of your religion.

lemarquis

Why not spend a couple of hours reading Dawkins. Seriously, it may not convert you to the dark side but will give you food for thought. Go on ! Take it as a challenge. Come back on the forum afterwards with your critique.

Mistress 69

smokingman wrote: »

When you arrived here, you attacked atheists with all the panache of a hoody wearing yob, calling us losers, idiots etc. I'm glad to see your correspondance has since reverted to a somewhat more civilized chatter.

Much like JC and dead one, it's good to have you here and I think most people can agree with me on that one as you are a shining example of your religion.

I dont think I would describe myself as a shining example of anything. I do plan staying around for a while yet, all joking aside I never had a hoodie, but have to admit it was a good line!

Mistress 69

lemarquis wrote: »

Why not spend a couple of hours reading Dawkins. Seriously, it may not convert you to the dark side but will give you food for thought. Go on ! Take it as a challenge. Come back on the forum afterwards with your critique.

I will have to say that is a reasonable suggestion, that has come out of the blue. Rather than give a quickfire reply, let me sleep on that.

lemarquis

Good. Look forward to your comments. I read it avidly but from the point of view of an already conviced atheist. It was a comfort to read someone who passionately thinks the way I do. It will be interesting to hear what someone approaching it from another view point thinks.

Just as a side note, depite my atheism I have been obliged through lack of choice to send both my children to a catholic ethos primary school and have had to have my children baptised in order to be able to get them into a secondary school that is non catholic. The choice of non-catholic secondary schools is such that my daughter now attends a Church of Ireland secondary school, which is just as obsessed with religious ethos forming a major part of her education. I consider the COI hower the lesser of two evils. There is very little evidence, if any of clerical child abuse within the COI. I just have to bite my tongue most of the time but I will not have my children bribed into being a part of the RCC and have been obliged to take action in the past. Many times, for example, I had to take my children out of school to avoid them being taken to Church to prepare for the 1st communion.

I "thank god" for Quinn trying to take education down a more democratic and representative route.

sensibleken

dead one wrote: »

Intellect isn't free from criticism..........Establish the building your deeds on Love

Actually establishing buildings on love can lead to subsidence. solid bedrock is the ideal and will negate the need for underpinning.

Mistress 69

lemarquis wrote: »

Good. Look forward to your comments. I read it avidly but from the point of view of an already conviced atheist. It was a comfort to read someone who passionately thinks the way I do. It will be interesting to hear what someone approaching it from another view point thinks.



Just as a side note, depite my atheism I have been obliged through lack of choice to send both my children to a catholic ethos primary school and have had to have my children baptised in order to be able to get them into a secondary school that is non catholic. The choice of non-catholic secondary schools is such that my daughter now attends a Church of Ireland secondary school, which is just as obsessed with religious ethos forming a major part of her education. I consider the COI hower the lesser of two evils. There is very little evidence, if any of clerical child abuse within the COI. I just have to bite my tongue most of the time but I will not have my children bribed into being a part of the RCC and have been obliged to take action in the past. Many times, for example, I had to take my children out of school to avoid them being taken to Church to prepare for the 1st communion.

I "thank god" for Quinn trying to take education down a more democratic and representative route.

As I said I will sleep on it before getting back to you. On such issues the optics of a quickfire reply are often not so good.

If I may ask .... as you only joined boards yesterday, how out of all the zillions of posts on boards.ie did you mange to zone in on mine?

AhSureTisGrand

Mistress 69 wrote: »

As I said I will sleep on it before getting back to you. On such issues the optics of a quickfire reply are often not so good.

If I may ask .... as you only joined boards yesterday, how out of all the zillions of posts on boards.ie did you mange to zone in on mine?

How of all the millions of planets in the universe did we end up on Earth? Answer me that, atheists :pac:

Galvasean

AhSureTisGrand wrote: »

How of all the millions of planets in the universe did we end up on Earth? Answer me that, atheists :pac:

lemarquis

AhSureTisGrand wrote: »

How of all the millions of planets in the universe did we end up on Earth? Answer me that, atheists :pac:

Rather arrogant to think that we are the only populated planet in an infinite universe.

Stupid question.

lemarquis

Mistress 69 wrote: »

As I said I will sleep on it before getting back to you. On such issues the optics of a quickfire reply are often not so good.

If I may ask .... as you only joined boards yesterday, how out of all the zillions of posts on boards.ie did you mange to zone in on mine?

This is one of the more interesting threads in the field of my MA thesis on the secular agenda in the irish media - with particular reference to the current moves by our new "atheist" minister of education to take education away from the RCC.

Some really close-minded idiots in the thread but a lot of people making a lot of sense on both sides.

Ghost Buster

lemarquis wrote: »

Rather arrogant to think that we are the only populated planet in an infinite universe.

Stupid question.

I rather think the OP was pointing out that we are on this planet and not one of the billions of others, populated or otherwise.


and it was tongue in cheek.

Turtwig

lemarquis wrote: »

Rather arrogant to think that we are the only populated planet in an infinite universe.

Finite actually:pac:

AhSureTisGrand

lemarquis wrote: »

Rather arrogant to think that we are the only populated planet in an infinite universe.

Stupid question.

You are probably not familiar with the nuances of the :pac: so I shall forgive you just this once

Mistress 69

lemarquis wrote: »

Rather arrogant to think that we are the only populated planet in an infinite universe.

.

Are you a Scientologist. Have you seen any aliens? Can you prove they exist without the optics?

lemarquis

AhSureTisGrand wrote: »

You are probably not familiar with the nuances of the :pac: so I shall forgive you just this once

Aha! Subtleties of the smiley thingumijigs going over my head. Need to brush up on all that. Pac man = tongue in cheek perhaps?

Your forgiveness most appreciated.:D

mikhail

Malty_T wrote: »

Finite actually:pac:

I'm currently reading Hawking's A Brief History of Time, and he says infinite. Has the consensus changed recently? If so, what was the result which changed people's mind?

AhSureTisGrand

lemarquis wrote: »

Pac man = tongue in cheek perhaps?

Pretty much. You learn fast

lemarquis

Mistress 69 wrote: »

Are you a Scientologist. Have you seen any aliens? Can you prove they exist without the optics?

No, I lean more towards the David Icke reptilian overlord school of thought.:rolleyes:

Galvasean

Mistress 69 wrote: »

Are you a Scientologist. Have you seen any aliens? Can you prove they exist without the optics?

I always chuckle when Christians dismiss belief in life on other planets.

AhSureTisGrand

How would an infinite universe fit in with the Big Bang theory? Or does it?

Mistress 69

Galvasean wrote: »

I always chuckle when Christians dismiss belief in life on other planets.

No I was just interested in LeMarquis' point of the possibility of life on other planets, and is proof required, because if not it could further the studies for said posters MA that maybe a God does exist.;)

Irish Fire

AhSureTisGrand wrote: »

How of all the millions of planets in the universe did we end up on Earth? Answer me that, atheists :pac:

How do you know it's the only place we are? Is there life on other planets?

Galvasean

Mistress 69 wrote: »

No I was just interested in LeMarquis' point of the possibility of life on other planets, and is proof required, because if not it could further the studies for said posters MA that maybe a God does exist.;)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I read him as implying that there is probably life on other planets (when you consider the size of the universe and the seemingly infinite combination of plants, potential habitats etc.), which is different to saying there definitely is.

Mistress 69

Nighty Nighty, I'm off the bus!........ Back tomorrow:D

condra

Extraterrestrial life in a universe with approximately 10,000000,000000,000000,000000 stars.
Highly probable.

Bizarre cosmic reality documented in a book created by some medieval blood-thirsty chauvinists.
Highly unlikely.

Mistress, I can't believe you agreed to read The God Delusion. Some say it was written by the dark prince himself, and all who read but one word, will fall to his evil charms, and will ride to Hell on a beast full of eyes. Full of eyes I tell thee. (exit left in a cloud of smoke)

the culture of deference

Mistress 69 wrote: »

I could argue that as that symbology has been there as long as this State has existed, AND a lot of people are quite happy with that so why should it be removed just to please you guys?

So what, we repeat the mistakes of the past just because that was the way it was done