FIFA - Destined for Civil War?

Paully D

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

FIFA have suspended Bin Hamman and Warner

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/default.stm

Bin Hamman obviously struck a deal with Blatter and Blatter has decided to ditch Warner as he has no use for him any more.

Paleface

I've been watching the press conference and I have to say the whole thing reeks to the high heavens!

Blatter got off and is now free to run for the presidency unopposed on June 1st.

I hope that in the next two days something else comes out because its all set up for Sepp to win now otherwise.

Also the ethics committee is looking more and more like a puppet entity. The FIFA secretary Jerome Valcke is clearly running the show!

TheTownie

Looks like Sepp Blatter is better at cleaning up his tracks than others are.

And unsurprisingly he will stroll to another term as president with there no challenger remaining.

Pauleta

FIFA have said there will be no investigation into Sepp Blatter and "Elections" will go ahead on June 1st. Also the FA have dropped any claims of corruption against Texiera and that African guy :rolleyes:

Source: Sky News

Paully D

Pauleta wrote: »

FIFA have said there will be no investigation into Sepp Blatter and "Elections" will go ahead on June 1st. Also the FA have dropped any claims of corruption against Texiera and that African guy :rolleyes:

Source: Sky News

££££££££££££££

TheTownie

Paully D wrote: »

££££££££££££££

Pauleta

Bin Hammam and Jack Warner have been suspended

TheTownie

Blatter released a statement not so long ago saying;

"I do not wish to comment in detail but simply to say that I regret what has happened in the last few days and weeks.

"FIFA's image has suffered a great deal as a result, much to the disappointment of FIFA itself and all football fans."

No shít sherlock ! :pac:

...but don't worry, your image is still fully intact ! :rolleyes:

amacachi

Ah ya really gotta love FIFA sometimes.

mike65

mike65 wrote: »

The big European FAs need to form the core of a new body and bury FIFA for good.

They wont do a tap while they are benefiting from these insane decisions by referees such as the Henry handball or the Lampard goal that crossed the line but was ruled out.

TheTownie

There are a lot of things I don't like about Jack Warner but in this scenario I like that hes a fighter!

Jack Warner has responded to his Fifa suspension with allegations about the organisation's president Sepp Blatter - and that Fifa secretary general Jerome Valcke suggested the 2022 World Cup was 'bought'.

Warner claimed Blatter made gifts of computers to officials plus an unauthorised 1million US dollar gift to his confederation CONCACAF.

Caribbean football chief Warner, banned by Fifa's ethics committee on Sunday along with Asian confederation president Mohamed Bin Hammam pending the outcome of a full inquiry into allegations they paid officials 40,000 dollars each in bribes, denied making any payments.

Warner said in a statement: "I denied the allegations that I made statements at the CFU [Caribbean Football Union] meeting about gifts being given by Mr Bin Hammam.
"I also indicated that at the Miami CONCACAF Congress on May 3 Mr Blatter made a gift of one million USD to CONCACAF to spend as it deems fit.

"This annoyed [UEFA] President Michel Platini who was present and he approached Secretary General Jerome Valcke complaining that Mr Blatter had no permission from the Finance Committee to make this gift to which Jerome replied that he will find the money for Mr Blatter.

"I also indicated at the CFU meeting held in Trinidad on May 10 which was requested by Mr Bin Hammam, FIFA through Mr Blatter organised gifts of laptops and projectors to all members of the Caribbean and no objections have been made today of this to date."

Warner said 13 federations had written to the ethics committee backing him up.

Warner's apparent revelation of an email from Valcke about Bin Hammam running against Blatter for Fifa president is potentially even more explosive.

Valcke, according to Warner's statement, wrote to him suggesting that Qatari Bin Hammam had "bought" the 2022 World Cup for his country.

Warner added: "I wrote to Valcke telling him, among other things, that the outcome of the elections may cause some fracture in the Arab world which we can ill-afford now and that I will like to ask Bin Hammam to withdraw from the race.

"To which Jerome replied to me and I quote: 'For MBH, I never understood why he was running. If really he thought he had a chance or just being an extreme way to express how much he does not like anymore JSB [Blatter]. Or he thought you can buy FIFA as they bought the WC'."

Warner reiterated his claim that the complaints against him were part of a conspiracy.

He added: "The complaints made in this matter are politically motivated against Mr Bin Hammam and me and are designed, among other things, to cause serious prejudice and damage to both Mr Bin Hammam and myself at one of the most critical times for the FIFA."

A lot of explosive stuff there. I particularly like the bit about Platini. Only a few days ago he was playing dumb on the whole thing but thanks to Jack Warner hes been shown up to be a lying git!

M5

FIFA has said its presidential election will go ahead, despite the weekend decision to suspend two senior officials following an inquiry into bribery.
Incumbent President Sepp Blatter was told he had no case to answer and he will now stand unopposed.

lols

Brussels Sprout

Warner may be a scumbag of the highest order but he's not deluded and knows what people think of him, hence this great quote:

You don't have to believe me, you don't have to like me, nobody has to eat with me, drink with me or sleep with me but Jesus Christ, take the truth when you see it

link

Pepe LeFrits

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13592684.stm

A BBC article on the allegations of WC2022 being bought. Qatar won their bid thanks to shady means? I don't believe it!

... and now Blatter gets re-elected unopposed. If FIFA was a country you'd find it in the dictionary under 'banana republic'.

Frisbee

What trillion dollar bill?

jmayo

TheTownie wrote: »

His statement has a feel of, everyone is falling back into line. He talks about not wanting to drag down the reputation of FIFA.

Ehh what reputation ?

TheTownie wrote: »

This coupled with Beckenbauer's backing of Blatter just seems like everyone might be retreating.
...
Those lot have no shame.

It's kinda sad when you see once great players become lackies to the FIFA/UEFA dodgy characters.

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

FIFA have suspended Bin Hamman and Warner

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/default.stm

They'll be back I bet.
Either that or blatter really had them by the balls for something real dodgy.

TheTownie wrote: »

Looks like Sepp Blatter is better at cleaning up his tracks than others are.

And unsurprisingly he will stroll to another term as president with there no challenger remaining.

The guy is some operator.

Any chance we could get the US to organise a regime change.
Maybe spread the rumour that FIFA have WMDs buried in HQ.

Seriously it is beyond belief that those spanners get away with the cr** they do.
What was surprising over this little spat was that they risked going public rather than play this out behind closed doors.

For some reason blatter sometimes reminds me of Tony Soprano.

TheTownie

jmayo wrote: »

Ehh what reputation ?

Their perceived reputation which of course doesn't exist.

What I can't understand is, FIFA have an obligation to look into any allegations made against FIFA ExCo members by fellow ExCo members i.e. Jack Warner's accusations against Sepp Blatter in his latest statement. Yet the election is still currently going ahead.

I hope rather than expect it to be postponed before Wednesday comes.

Headshot

Warner " Blatter has to be stopped"

Blatter got Warner and Hamman suspended to protect himself

TheTownie

Valcke and Platini have responded to Jack Warner's claims. Also a small quote from Sepp Blatter too.

Valcke said in Zurich on Monday: "It was a private email and we will discuss it. He sent me an email asking if I want that [Bin Hammam to run], he said that I should ask Bin Hammam to pull out."

Valcke said Warner had only published selected parts of the email, and he denied claims by Warner and Bin Hammam that he had influenced the ethics committee against them.

He added: "The first time I met the chairman of the ethics committee was yesterday at 5'o'clock before we went to the press conference. I had no contact at all with anyone."

Meanwhile, Uefa president Michel Platini defended Blatter against other claims by Warner that he had made a 1million US dollar payment to the CONCACAF federation without authorisation of the finance committee.

Warner had claimed Platini was "annoyed" about this but the Uefa president said: "It's not like that, it was a joke with me and Mr Blatter.

"He can give the projects that he wants to give. I joke, I said 'but Sepp this was not accepted by the committee' - but he can give many projects to many national associations and we will confirm in the GOAL project after.

In many Congresses for many, many years the president can give one or two projects to national associations - he has his own budget and he can give to one confederation and then it has to be approved of course by the executive committee next time."

Platini admitted there could be a repeat of the events of the 1999 FIFA Congress when the Asian members walked out in a protest over the number of World Cup places.

He added: "I don't know what will happen - there are some meetings of the confederations in the next few days, I don't know what will happen.

"In '99 Asia left, I don't know if they will do that again. I think the election will go ahead but I don't know."

Blatter said he was not worried about the threat of that happening. He said: "I have already faced that once and the Congress went on. They will be there I am sure."

Got to love Platini's excuse; "It was a joke!" lol

Also Sports Minister in the UK has been talking about the situation;

Sports Minister Hugh Robertson has called on Fifa to be more "transparent and accountable" - but ruled out the idea of the Football Association quitting world football's governing body.

He said: "It's tempting at times like this but is it a viable option?

"There is no point in doing this type of thing if you do it on your own. We would win our own World Cup but, beyond that, there would not be very much achieved."

Robertson believes Fifa must act and cited the International Olympic Committee (IOC) as an example of how a major sporting body can be reformed.

He added: "The great example is the IOC. I was listening to Dick Pound this morning, he was one of the people that drove the reform of the IOC, they did that from within.

"He led a group which got hold of the IOC after the Salt Lake City scandal and said this should never happen again and that should be the way forward for Fifa.

"There have been many institutions - inside sport, politics and business - that have suffered catastrophic attacks on their judgement and credibility but they have recovered from them afterwards.

"But they have recovered by firstly admitting they have a real problem and Fifa are only halfway there.

"Secondly, they need to make themselves fully transparent and accountable so that people can once again have confidence in the way they lead world football."

OhNoYouDidn't

Mr. Presentable wrote: »

This is all because England failed to get the WC. Even if there was no corruption they wouldn't have got it - it is a smokescreen to hide the shortcomings of their own association.

Exactly. This all started when Triesman sounded off at a British government inquest. It wasn't that they put in an inferior bid, it was those corrupt Arabs. He was asked to back it up and couldn't, and some heads within FIFA tried, and failed to take advantage

This, of course, ignores the fact that the only bribe on record was the EFA giving (and withdrawing in a tantrum) tickets and 5 star accomodation at the Olympics for the voting committee.

The EFA havn't a leg to stand on when it comes to throwing mud about corruption. What ever came of that BBC bung expose?

Football at the top is of course corrupt. As is athletics, boxing etc. Everyone has their snouts in the trough, the idea that any association will pul the house down is at best naive.

OhNoYouDidn't

TheTownie wrote: »

Also Sports Minister in the UK has been talking about the situation;

He needs to start A LOT closer to home...

Blatter running unopposed once again.

Same old, same old...

Brussels Sprout

Mr. Presentable wrote: »

This is all because England failed to get the WC.

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Exactly.

The english bid was effectively dead in the water after BBC's Panorama aired an investigative show on curruption within FIFA the week before the World Cup decision.

OhNoYouDidn't

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

The english bid was effectively dead in the water after BBC's Panorama aired an investigative show on curruption within FIFA the week before the World Cup decision.

It was dead in the water a long time before that. They were never going to win. But that in itself is irrelevent.

We know FIFA are corrupt. But for the EFA to throw the toys out of the pram and start talking about Quatar - remember the Brits lost to Russia, while admitting they threw in a few sweeties is sour grapes. End of.

Brussels Sprout

Why are you referring to them as the EFA?

OhNoYouDidn't

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

Why are you referring to them as the EFA?

Because its an Irish site and it might be confusing otherwise. They are the English FA, its clearer.

Brussels Sprout

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Because its an Irish site and it might be confusing otherwise. They are the English FA, its clearer.

Nobody is going to get confused if you refer to the FA by their correct name on the Soccer forum.

OhNoYouDidn't

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

Nobody is going to get confused if you refer to the FA by their correct name on the Soccer forum.

And no-one is confused by me calling the English FA the EFA now.

Whatever I call them, they are still one of the most bent associations out there

Paleface

The latest installment of this fiasco is about to begin!!

Live stream:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13595223.stm

Coillte_Bhoy

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Because its an Irish site and it might be confusing otherwise. They are the English FA, its clearer.

Dont be ridiculous. Who the hell is going to be confused? it's the FA and the FAI and you know bloody well no one gets them mixed up. Though if it has happened on this forum in the past i'm sure you can give examples??

Coillte_Bhoy

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

And no-one is confused by me calling the English FA the EFA now.

Whatever I call them, they are still one of the most bent associations out there

Actually i wasnt too sure what you meant by EFA, if you had said FA, i would have known but then again no chance of that was there?

TheTownie

Mohammed Bin Hammam has confirmed he is appealing his provisional suspension.

Former Fifa presidential candidate Mohamed Bin Hammam has confirmed he will be appealing against his suspension.

The statement read: "Mohamed Bin Hammam will not accept yesterday's decision by the Fifa ethics committee.

"As he is only allowed to appeal against the motivated decision by the Fifa ethics committee, he urgently requested this by Tuesday to be able to file his appeal in due time and to revoke the provisional ban before Wednesday's congress is starting.

"There are many open questions: What was the discussion in the ethics committee and how did the ethics committee come to its conclusion? There are many other questions which need to be answered and transparency is urgently needed.

The way these proceedings have been conducted is absolutely not compliant with any principles of justice. I am punished before I am found guilty.

I get the impression that the outcome of these proceedings had been defined from the very beginning as it has been made evident at the press conference on Sunday evening at which Fifa general secretary Jerome Valcke showed his bias very clearly.

This is not acceptable as the Fifa ethics committee is supposed to be a fully independent body. Therefore, I also expect the further investigation to be influenced and manipulated."

Also Qatar have surprisingly :rolleyes: denied the allegations about their World Cup bid.

World Cup 2022 hosts Qatar have denied an implication from Fifa general secretary Jerome Valcke that they 'bought' the tournament.

The statement from Qatar read: "Qatar 2022 categorically deny any wrong doing in connection with their winning bid.

We are urgently seeking clarification from Fifa about the statement from their General Secretary.

In the meantime we are taking legal advice to consider our options."

jmayo

TheTownie wrote: »

Their perceived reputation which of course doesn't exist.

Maybe they are trying to protect their bad reputation ?

TheTownie wrote: »

What I can't understand is, FIFA have an obligation to look into any allegations made against FIFA ExCo members by fellow ExCo members i.e. Jack Warner's accusations against Sepp Blatter in his latest statement. Yet the election is still currently going ahead.

I hope rather than expect it to be postponed before Wednesday comes.

Two chances and slim has just left town.

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

It was dead in the water a long time before that. They were never going to win. But that in itself is irrelevent.

We know FIFA are corrupt. But for the EFA to throw the toys out of the pram and start talking about Quatar - remember the Brits lost to Russia, while admitting they threw in a few sweeties is sour grapes. End of.

Yeah, but seriously one has to say it is a joke that England has not hosted world cup since 1966 ?
Loathe them all you want, but if the same thing was done to the FAI you and others would be on here probably willing them to shaft FIFA.

The fact that Qatar got WC finals is really salt in the wounds.
And yes I know the old revolting continent mullarkey which I believe is BS since the most infrastructure rich, most travelling fans and best football leagues are in Europe.
If you look at who Qatar beat you really have to ask questions how the fook did they legitimately get the tournament. :mad:

BTW out of interest do you support an English club team ?

Brussels Sprout

jmayo wrote: »

Maybe they are trying to protect their bad reputation ?

OhNoYouDidn't

jmayo wrote: »

Yeah, but seriously one has to say it is a joke that England has not hosted world cup since 1966 ?
Loathe them all you want, but if the same thing was done to the FAI you and others would be on here probably willing them to shaft FIFA.

I don't loathe England, I just see sour grapes. Russia has every bit the pedigree and infrastructure they have.

jmayo wrote: »

The fact that Qatar got WC finals is really salt in the wounds.
And yes I know the old revolting continent mullarkey which I believe is BS since the most infrastructure rich, most travelling fans and best football leagues are in Europe.
If you look at who Qatar beat you really have to ask questions how the fook did they legitimately get the tournament. :mad:

ENGLAND LOST TO RUSSIA, NOT QUATAR.

I think one of Blatters better moves was to alternate the WC between Europe and the rest of the world. What are you arguing? Germany, Spain, Italy and England rotate it? Its the WORLD cup... The middle east was always favourite to get it as its the last major football region not to have hosted it. Quatar was the middle easts bid.

jmayo wrote: »

BTW out of interest do you support an English club team ?

No.

orourkeda

Australian Senator seeks recompense of their outlay for their bid for the 2022 world cup that Qatar were hosted.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/30052011/58/world-cup-australian-senator-wants-fifa-refund.html

This is probably more preposterous than our request to become the 33rd team in south africa

Brussels Sprout

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Russia has every bit the pedigree and infrastructure they have.

No they don't.

jmayo

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

I don't loathe England, I just see sour grapes. Russia has every bit the pedigree and infrastructure they have.

I believe you will refuse to see anything from their point of view.
They have one of the strongest leagues in the world, they have oodles of stadia to host the event, they have pretty safe environment, the climate is suitable and their infrastructure is pretty good by western standards.
AFAIK Englands technical ratings were above that of Russia but Russia still won.

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

ENGLAND LOST TO RUSSIA, NOT QUATAR.

Ehh there is no such place as Quatar, it's Qatar.
And there is no need to SHOUT.

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

I think one of Blatters better moves was to alternate the WC between Europe and the rest of the world. What are you arguing? Germany, Spain, Italy and England rotate it?

blatter only did things for the benefit of himself and his cronies.
And I can't think of any good moves he has done.
He has refused to bring in video ref to try and remove the stpid decisions that have caused high profile joke decisons but that is other debates.

I am arguing that forcing the WC to be held in one area after another is a joke when certain parts of the world are unsuitable.

And an even bigger joke was giving the WC to a country with no footballing infrastructure, no football league to speak of, a totally unsuitable climate during the time of year the finals are played and a repressive regime that makes visiting fans unwelcome.

Even for Australia it would be a tough ask but dear God Qatar.

BTW in Europe you forgot France, Belgium-Holland, Austria-Switzerland, Nordic countries and Russia.

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Its the WORLD cup... The middle east was always favourite to get it as its the last major football region not to have hosted it. Quatar was the middle easts bid.

Major football region ???
BTW Turkey and Israel are considered Europe by FIFA you know.
Egypt is Africa.
What other powerhouses of football are in that region: Saudi, Kuwait, UAEs, Iran, Iraq, Qatar, Bahrain ?

Paleface

Judging from the way the press conference is going, Sepp Blatter is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object!

LuckyGent88

Blatter is not a happy man and neither are the journo's

super_furry

Corrupt, crocked bastard.

Pauleta

orourkeda wrote: »

Australian Senator seeks recompense of their outlay for their bid for the 2022 world cup that Qatar were hosted.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/30052011/58/world-cup-australian-senator-wants-fifa-refund.html

This is probably more preposterous than our request to become the 33rd team in south africa

I have to disagree. If it is proved Qatar bought the W.C i think the other countries are fully in their rights for compensation.

orourkeda

Short of being convicted of rape or murder or his death there is no way left to remove Sepp Blatter from his office in FIFA.

Surely if corrution is as rife in FIFA as has been suggested then there must be some verifiable evidence to prove this.

super_furry

FIFA is rotten to the very, very core. The only way to fix is to start again with a new body.

orourkeda

Pauleta wrote: »

I have to disagree. If it is proved Qatar bought the W.C i think the other countries are fully in their rights for compensation.

They are absolutely within their rights. Its not so much that they are wrong to do it, it's more a question of whether they will succeed given FIFA' track record.

orourkeda

super_furry wrote: »

FIFA is rotten to the very, very core. The only way to fix is to start again with a new body.

This is clear. However, how do we stop the same people from getting to the top of the new governing body.

Headshot

orourkeda wrote: »

This is clear. However, how do we stop the same people from getting to the top of the new governing body.

I believe there should be no such thing as business men in fifa, it should be operated by ex players who actually know the ins and out of the game

jmayo

Headshot wrote: »

I believe there should be no such thing as business men in fifa, it should be operated by ex players who actually know the ins and out of the game

Yeah we need more ex players like Beckenbauer and Platini.


BTW didn't they come out in support of one mr blatter ?

mike65

FIFA is a commerically driven body rather than a football driven one. Get Robbie Fowler involved!

TheTownie

That Sepp Blatter press conference was an absolute joke !

The guy arrived 30/35mins late. Then wanted to leave early.

Journalists didn't get a proper chance to ask questions and the questions that were asked he didn't actually answer them, just gave some bullshít answer.

Farcical stuff !! How anyone can back this man beggers beliefs.