FIFA - Destined for Civil War?

Headshot

jmayo wrote: »

Yeah we need more ex players like Beckenbauer and Platini.


BTW didn't they come out in support of one mr blatter ?

your always going to get a bad bunch Beckenbauer just backing his buddy that got germany the WC

I rather have ex football players that business men that dont have a clue about the game

Pauleta

Headshot wrote: »

I believe there should be no such thing as business men in fifa, it should be operated by ex players who actually know the ins and out of the game

Footballers know the ins and outs of what happens on a football pitch not how to run a huge organisation.

TheTownie

jmayo wrote: »

Yeah we need more ex players like Beckenbauer and Platini.


BTW didn't they come out in support of one mr blatter ?

Beckenbauer did support him and Platini played dumb. Platini just looking out for himself as he plans to run in 2015 for FIFA president.

They might be ex-players but they have been corrupted by the system like the rest of them.

SDTimeout

orourkeda wrote: »

This is clear. However, how do we stop the same people from getting to the top of the new governing body.

Appoint boards.ie members, stop being stupid!

Jelle1880

The only way I can see things changing is if some big FA pulls out of FIFA, the English FA would be my best guess.

Sadly enough, they're probably as corrupt as FIFA.

jmayo

Headshot wrote: »

your always going to get a bad bunch Beckenbauer just backing his buddy that got germany the WC

I rather have ex football players that business men that dont have a clue about the game

But the thing is they are neither business men nor footballers but shysters.
Football is a business, but these guys would not survive in a true business since they would have to answer to someone eventually.

The guys at the top seem to be answerable to no one and they run the organisation primarily for themselves.

Then again maybe they could have suceeded in banking

TheTownie wrote: »

Beckenbauer did support him and Platini played dumb. Platini just looking out for himself as he plans to run in 2015 for FIFA president.

They might be ex-players but they have been corrupted by the system like the rest of them.

Good men are never corrupted. Weak greedy ones are.

Yeah that's something to look forward to, platini in charge.
It would be like having a heavier blatter.

All he needs to do is bring in raymond domenech in his old role and we can have a right laugh.

orourkeda

Headshot wrote: »

I believe there should be no such thing as business men in fifa, it should be operated by ex players who actually know the ins and out of the game

Football is now big business. It wouldnlt be the game it is without it.

Ex pros can only offer so much.

Brussels Sprout

I wonder is there a link between the high levels of corruption in sporting organisations and the almost complete lack of women in their upper echelons?

orourkeda

TheTownie wrote: »

Beckenbauer did support him and Platini played dumb. Platini just looking out for himself as he plans to run in 2015 for FIFA president.

They might be ex-players but they have been corrupted by the system like the rest of them.

This may appear to be out of line but what part did WC 06 play in that decision.

orourkeda

Headshot wrote: »

your always going to get a bad bunch Beckenbauer just backing his buddy that got germany the WC

I rather have ex football players that business men that dont have a clue about the game

How do ex players negotiate sponsorship deals, TV rights deals and the like without sufficient expertise. Club chairmen, most backroom staff can function perfrecty well without a background in professional football.

Then we have referees and officials too.

Leiva

It's such a farce that it's beyond funny .
And you know what the scary part is , he will probably be re-elected .

Fuhrer

orourkeda wrote: »

How do ex players negotiate sponsorship deals, TV rights deals and the like without sufficient expertise.

Using agents?

ArmaniJeanss

Headshot wrote: »

Beckenbauer just backing his buddy that got germany the WC

That is all completely wrong.
Blatter was totally in support of and lobbied for the failed South Africa bid for 2006, and had a huge emnity with Beckanbauer.
Charlie Dempsey of NZ (and his late decision to abstain from the vote) was who won it for Germany.

orourkeda

Fuhrer wrote: »

Using agents?

Then why suggest ex players as a replacement for the "businessmen" then employ agents to do their jobs for them.

Headshot

Good pts folks, didnt think enough about. I still like to see more ex players in that organisation. FA had it right at one stage bring in Trevor Brooking but the business men got their way in the end. Maybe a mix of suits and ex players is the way to go

TheTownie

Why Beckenbauer backed Sepp Blatter is irrelevant really. No motive could justify it.

orourkeda

TheTownie wrote: »

Why Beckenbauer backed Sepp Blatter is irrelevant really. No motive could justify it.

But surely that extends to everyone else who backed him too.

The problem is that the longer this "crisis" goes on, the more apparent the motives for backing Sepp Blatter become.

TheTownie

Headshot wrote: »

Good pts folks, didnt think enough about. I still like to see more ex players in that organisation. FA had it right at one stage bring in Trevor Brooking but the business men got their way in the end. Maybe a mix of suits and ex players is the way to go

A transparent organisation who have to answer for their actions is what is needed.

Not a closed opaque organisation who has a dictator that answers to no one.

murpho999

Just saw the press conference.

What a joke.

Blatter was a like a raving dictator in the last days of his reign.

Think FIFA stands for Football Investigation Finds Arrogance!

Headshot

TheTownie wrote: »

A transparent organisation who have to answer for their actions is what is needed.

Not a closed opaque organisation who has a dictator that answers to no one.

Of course, thats the main one but those dinosaurs in suits just wont change their minds about video technology and the majoirty of players would love it in the game. I rather listen to ex players about the game it self, let the suits sort the money

orourkeda

TheTownie wrote: »

A transparent organisation who have to answer for their actions is what is needed.

Not a closed opaque organisation who has a dictator that answers to no one.

Thats fine in theory. Practically unenforceable in reality with Human Nature being what it is.

TheTownie

orourkeda wrote: »

But surely that extends to everyone else who backed him too.

The problem is that the longer this "crisis" goes on, the more apparent the motives for backing Sepp Blatter become.

It does indeed. A person who backs Blatter either has his head in the sand or it is beneficial to them/the organisation to do so.

orourkeda

Headshot wrote: »

Of course, thats the main one but those dinosaurs in suits just wont change their minds about video technology and the majoirty of players would love it in the game. I rather listen to ex players about the game it self, let the suits sort the money

Surely it doesnt take ex players to extol the virtues of video technology. The benefits are there for all to see.

orourkeda

TheTownie wrote: »

It does indeed. A person who backs Blatter either has his head in the sand or it is beneficial to them/the organisation to do so.

With the emphasis on the latter as opposed to the former it seems.

peabutler

Total and utter revamp needed, this mess could be sorted with a big cleanout, throw some of the smaller countries succesful Football Associations Chairmen in the mix aswell as some ex-pros and people with a vibrant plan for the future of the game.

TheTownie

orourkeda wrote: »

Thats fine in theory. Practically unenforceable in reality with Human Nature being what it is.

It might not be the actual solution but it should be what is aspired to.

Even steps in that direction would be great to see. At the moment its completely farcical.

BTW, there will be a photo released tomorrow showing Bin Hammam handing over $40,000 in an envelope at the Carribean meeting on the 10th May. Press Association in Zurich have confirmed they have their hands on it.

peabutler

This is an absolute disgrace to the game.

orourkeda

peabutler wrote: »

This is an absolute disgrace to the game.

Fifa Joe. It's a disgrace.

TheTownie

orourkeda wrote: »

Surely it doesnt take ex players to extol the virtues of video technology. The benefits are there for all to see.

Sure ex-player Platini only a few days ago came out and reiterated his stance against goal line and video technology. The guy is totally draconian.

orourkeda

TheTownie wrote: »

It might not be the actual solution but it should be what is aspired to.

Even steps in that direction would be great to see. At the moment its completely farcical.

BTW, there will be a photo released tomorrow showing Bin Hammam handing over $40,000 in an envelope at the Carribean meeting on the 10th May. Press Association in Zurich have confirmed they have their hands on it.

It would appear to be aspirational unfortunately.

We have to accept that there palms will be crossed with silver when processes like these take place. The rewards for success are simply too great for the participants and they will leave as little to chance and fair play as possible. It is practically impossible to eradicate and will continue to happen, albeit in a more discrete manner.

FIFA have taken the piss and are being found out in about as excruciating a manner as is possible.

TheTownie

Listening to talkSport at the moment, their talking about the whole FIFA issue.

Still astounded by some of the points their talking about.

Love the description they gave of the FIFA ExCo, "Boozers, Losers and Jacuzzi Users!" :pac:

Pauleta

The fall of Blatters empire is looking very similar to the fall of Nicolae Ceausescu. His press conference today is like when a deluded Ceausescu had his last public address and was met with an unhappy mob and had to flee his palace by helicopter. Like Ceausescu, Blatters generals are starting to undermine him and will eventually do away with him to save themselves. Im personally enjoying all of this. Its brilliant seeing his corrupt empire falling. Only good can come out of this. Blatter knows his job is untenable and this will not go away when he gets voted back in. Its the summer and the football media in Europe have nothing to do for the next 2 months. Only a huge non FIFA related scandal at the Copa America can save him now.

dartbhoy

The interview Blatter gave showed this man up to be arrogant and a complete dictator! FIFA will turn into a laughing stock if this ignoramous is left run the governing body of World soccer!

donfers

at the end of the conference as blatter was talking about respect while trying to run away after answering only a few questions, one of the journalists laughed....blatter was furious about that and started lecturing the guy saying that his attitude was terrible and that all his career he dealt with people with elegance and respect....i thought back then to the guy laughing at the FAI's admittedly far-fetched aspirations of getting into the world cup as a 33rd team, as he publically mocked Ireland's desperate attempts to get to the world cup, laughing at us, I remember the sneerful look of disdain on his face, how his mocking smile contrasted with the tears of Damien Duff after the game......the same guy that ok'ed the bigger countries having the home draw for the second leg, the same guy that has fudged and delayed and questioned the need for goal-line technology........the same guy who said today as a journalist laughed at his propoganda comical ali-esque words today that he would never treat people like that

the most corrupt people of all are those who are so completely blind to it because it runs so deeply in them

Liar, get out of the game i love

Pauleta

donfers wrote: »

at the end of the conference as blatter was talking about respect while trying to run away after answering only a few questions, one of the journalists laughed....blatter was furious about that and started lecturing the guy saying that his attitude was terrible and that all his career he dealt with people with elegance and respect....i thought back then to the guy laughing at the FAI's admittedly far-fetched aspirations of getting into the world cup as a 33rd team, as he publically mocked Ireland's desperate attempts to get to the world cup, laughing at us, I remember the sneerful look of disdain on his face, how his mocking smile contrasted with the tears of Damien Duff after the game......the same guy that ok'ed the bigger countries having the home draw for the second leg, the same guy that has fudged and delayed and questioned the need for goal-line technology........the same guy who said today as a journalist laughed at his propoganda comical ali-esque words today that he would never treat people like that

the most corrupt people of all are those who are so completely blind to it because it runs so deeply in them

Liar, get out of the game i love

As much as i hate him, the FAI deserved to be mocked after that.

Plus the seeding thing was UEFA rather than FIFA.

smokedeels

The only hope is for the sponsors to start pulling out.

Son Of A Vidic

dartbhoy wrote: »

The interview Blatter gave showed this man up to be arrogant and a complete dictator! FIFA will turn into a laughing stock if this ignoramous is left run the governing body of World soccer!

The man has no shame, what kind of organisation would proceed with a one horse race election? It's an absolute sham and a joke. I'm just hoping some more revelations will come out, that will force Blatter of his perch for good.

Dont be at yourself

Both Coke and Adidas have spoken up, two of their biggest and highest profile sponsors.

Forget about sponsors though, where are the FAs standing up? The FAI are still going to vote for Blatter, no doubt.

TheTownie

smokedeels wrote: »

The only hope is for the sponsors to start pulling out.

Coca Cola and Adidas have expressed their concern and hope FIFA deal with it thoroughly.

I know that sounds like a joke but its all they can say for now but if this shít continues they will no doubt start seriously considering their position as these companies don't like being associated with such unsavoury actions.

A Coca-Cola spokesperson said: "The current allegations being raised are distressing and bad for the sport. We have every expectation that Fifa will resolve this situation in an expedient and thorough manner."

An Adidas spokesman had earlier commented: "Adidas enjoys a long-term, close and successful partnership with Fifa that we are looking forward to continuing. Adidas will be an official sponsor of Fifa World Cup 2014 in Brazil. Having said that, the negative tenor of the public debate around Fifa at the moment is neither good for football nor for Fifa and its partners."

El Weirdo

TheTownie wrote: »

Coca Cola and Adidas have expressed their concern and hope FIFA deal with it thoroughly.

I know that sounds like a joke but its all they can say for now but if this shít continues they will no doubt start seriously considering their position as these companies don't like being associated with such unsavoury actions.

We are thinking of the same Coca Cola aren't we?

TheTownie

El Weirdo wrote: »

We are thinking of the same Coca Cola aren't we?

Ya, the one not renewing its contract with Rooney. :pac:

TheTownie

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

Both Coke and Adidas have spoken up, two of their biggest and highest profile sponsors.

Forget about sponsors though, where are the FAs standing up? The FAI are still going to vote for Blatter, no doubt.

The only realistic option is the sponsors pulling out and that would really force FIFA's arm as they contribute serious money to the whole operation. There are only a handful of powerful FA's around.

1. English FA - Ok, Geoff Thomspon is a Vice President in FIFA but they would be on their own if they pulled out.

2. French FA - Platini, who is a Vice President in FIFA, owns them so thats not an option.

3. German FA - Beckenbauer is a staunch supporter of Blatter and a powerful man in Germany so rule that out.

4. Spanish FA - Ángel María Villar Llona (ex-player btw) is a Vice President in FIFA and has been involved with FIFA since 1998 and is considered a 'yes man' for Blatter.

So not matter how big an association you consider the English FA to be, they would really need the others with them to take down FIFA. Otherwise they would just wave goodbye to the English FA.

Dont be at yourself

TheTownie wrote: »

The only realistic option is the sponsors pulling out and that would really force FIFA's arm as they contribute serious money to the whole operation. There are only a handful of powerful FA's around.

1. English FA - Ok, Geoff Thomspon is a Vice President in FIFA but they would be on their own if they pulled out.

2. French FA - Platini, who is a Vice President in FIFA, owns them so thats not an option.

3. German FA - Beckenbauer is a staunch supporter of Blatter and a powerful man in Germany so rule that out.

4. Spanish FA - Ángel María Villar Llona (ex-player btw) is a Vice President in FIFA and has been involved with FIFA since 1998 and is considered a 'yes man' for Blatter.

So not matter how big an association you consider the English FA to be, they would really need the others with them to take down FIFA. Otherwise they would just wave goodbye to the English FA.

England, Australia, USA, Japan, Holland and Spain can all feel aggrieved over how the WC voting was handled. Those FAs represent some of the biggest fanbases and important leagues and national teams in world football. There's also plenty of smaller nations (Ireland included) who have been dicked over by FIFA in the past. If they had any courage, they'd vote against Blatter.

It's really a damning indictment of the sport's governance that we're looking to the likes of Adidas and Coca Cola to do the right thing.

Rubik.

You couldn't get more blatant evidence of bribery then this...




http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/may/30/mohamed-bin-hammam-fifa?intcmp=239

TheTownie

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

England, Australia, USA, Japan, Holland and Spain can all feel aggrieved over how the WC voting was handled. Those FAs represent some of the biggest fanbases and important leagues and national teams in world football. There's also plenty of smaller nations (Ireland included) who have been dicked over by FIFA in the past. If they had any courage, they'd vote against Blatter.

It's really a damning indictment of the sport's governance that we're looking to the likes of Adidas and Coca Cola to do the right thing.

Having the right to be aggrieved is a lot different from doing something about it.

England - We all know they have grievance.

Australia - Have asked for a refund basically on their WC bid, £29.6M. So they are clearly pissed.

USA - Well they are aggrieved but who knows whether Chuck Blazer was acting off his own back or as a puppet for Blatter.

Japan - Haven't heard a peep out of them.

Holland - Haven't heard a peep out of them.

Spain - Haven't heard a peep out of them.

If Japan, Holland or Spain were actually prepared to do something they would surely have said something publicly since the WC bid which AFAIK they haven't (If they have please let me know).

As for smaller nations, they are the least likely to do anything as they rely heavily on the money they get from FIFA to run their respective FA's. You know, the money they don't have to account for back to FIFA.

The reason why Blatter is so arrogant and trying to push ahead with all this is there are 208 nation members and only a handful with the balls to do anything about.

I hope I'm wrong and they fúck him out but I don't see that happening on Wednesday.

TheTownie

Rubik. wrote: »

You couldn't get more blatant evidence of bribery then this...




http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/may/30/mohamed-bin-hammam-fifa?intcmp=239

Theres the photo I've been waiting for today!

TheTownie

Anyone remember Nicolas Leoz, the Paraguayan who supposedly asked for a knighthood but subsequently cleared of any wrongdoing. Well a report suggests his aide asked for the FA Cup to be named after him. :pac:

The knighthood claim was made in Parliament by ex-Football Association and bid chairman Lord Triesman, who also alleged impropriety by three other Fifa members.

The claims prompted the FA to commission an inquiry by barrister James Dingemans QC to report on any corroborating evidence.

Fifa said it had "found no elements in this report which would prompt the opening of any ethics proceedings".

Although there was no evidence Leoz himself asked for a knighthood, Dingemans' report says Leoz's aide Alberto Almirall had mentioned honours or having the FA Cup named after him.

An email to bid officials from England 2018's South America-based consultant Les Dickens said: "Regarding the offer to name a cup after him, Alberto's comments were 'Dr Leoz is an old man and to go to London just to meet the Prince and go to the FA Cup final is not reason enough. If this is combined, say, with the naming of the CUP after Dr Leoz then that could be reason enough' his words literally."

In an email to Dickens, Almirall, who works for the South American confederation CONMEBOL of which Leoz is president, said: "Confidentially I know that he would love to have a decoration from the British Crown or government."

There were internal discussions in England 2018 about what honour might "properly be given" to Leoz, and Triesman said there had been talks about possibly creating an FA Disability Cup named after Leoz to honour his contribution to the Special Olympics.

Renaming the FA Cup after Nicolas Leoz! What a bunch of Fairies! :pac:

orourkeda

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

The man has no shame, what kind of organisation would proceed with a one horse race election? It's an absolute sham and a joke. I'm just hoping some more revelations will come out, that will force Blatter of his perch for good.

It appears as though nothing and nobody will force Sepp Blatter from office. Short of death or a jail term , he's there to stay

bernardo mac

I read that the bould Sepp was once [early 70's]President of the World Society of Friends of Suspenders in opposition to the growing popularity of the Pantyhose.Interesting and revealing?

grenache

Only FIFA could claim to be a democratic organisation while simultaneously allowing its President to serve four consecutive terms and run unopposed for the final term's election. I have disliked Blatter for many years, from his idea of holding a World Cup every two years (never heard of European Championship Sepp?) to his unwillingness to introduce goal line technology, to his outrageous comments about the proposed length of female players shorts. Yesterday topped it for me though. "FIFA is not in crisis, it only has minor problems" :rolleyes: A previous poster hit the nail on the head when he described him as a Comical Ali figure. The arrogance and sheer ignorant audacity of the man knows no bounds. He is systematically ruining football. I truly hope he can be shifted from his obnoxious perch but it's probably too much to hope for.