What would you do if this was your child?

HellFireClub

Just found this on Sky News:

Very disturbing and distressing video footage, but if anyone my own age or older was edcuated in a Christian Brother's school the very same sh*t was happening here as late as the 80's, in fact I can personally recall treatment that was a lot worse...

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Video---Egypt-Teacher-Beats-Children-And-Blames-Revolution-After-Being-Arrested-By-Police/Article/201105416000577?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_3&lid=ARTICLE_16000577_Video_-_Egypt%3A_Teacher_Beats_Children_And_Blames_Revolution_After_Being_Arrested_By_Police

hondasam

That is shocking,poor kids. hopefully he will be prosecuted.

I don't know how some people can be so cruel.

minidazzler

Was whoever recorded it arrested? They are laughing, pricks.

Doc

If he did that to my child I would walk into the school and punch him in the face. I know that sounds like bravado and internet hardman but if I saw anyone doing that to my child I don’t think I could stop myself.

hondasam

Doc wrote: »

If he did that to my child I would walk into the school and punch him in the face. I know that sounds like bravado and internet hardman but if I saw anyone doing that to my child I don’t think I could stop myself.

I think the majority of people parents or not would agree with you.

It's natural to want to protect those you love.

HellFireClub

Doc wrote: »

If he did that to my child I would walk into the school and punch him in the face. I know that sounds like bravado and internet hardman but if I saw anyone doing that to my child I don’t think I could stop myself.

I'd call that being kind to the guy, if that happened to my child, I'd turn up at the school, clear the room of the kids and put his hand on the desk he used to correct the kids homework and I'd break every finger he had with a ball hammer...

Br4tPr1nc3

Doc wrote: »

If he did that to my child I would walk into the school and punch him in the face. I know that sounds like bravado and internet hardman but if I saw anyone doing that to my child I don’t think I could stop myself.

why say my child?
if you seen a teacher, or anyone doing that to children, theyd get much much worse back.

Doc

Br4tPr1nc3 wrote: »

why say my child?
if you seen a teacher, or anyone doing that to children, theyd get much much worse back.

I did just see it happen to another person’s child but I don’t think I will be getting a flight over to punch him in the face. Though I hope he is punished and would support that punishment I don’t feel personal responsibility to see it enforced. I can’t go around the world fixing everything that everyone dose wrong, but if it was my child I would see it as my responsibility to go and do something about it.

Mc Love

Lets be thankful he didnt have one of those metal rulers!!

Captain Commie

what he needs is to be thrown in jail and every hour get a beating with a baseball bat, scum like this do not deserve to be alive in my opinion, we have to protect our children from evil like this

mikemac

And so it begins

Posters see violence and get understandably angry.

And the solution it seems is to dream up other inventive methods of violence, a beating every hour or take a hammer to their fingers..

Captain Commie

feelingstressed wrote: »

And so it begins

Posters see violence and get understandably angry.

And the solution it seems is to dream up other inventive methods of violence, a beating every hour or take a hammer to their fingers..

tbh, what i posted there is tame compared to what i would really want to happen to him, but i am trying to not be openly sadistic

BBDBB

Ive seen and experienced that and worse from several teachers, my father got even worse when he was a boy, at no stage was the teacher put under scrutiny for his or her actions or under threat from a parent to my recollection.

Different times, different attitudes

Biggins

If it was my kids?
I won't say what I would do on a public forum, what said here can become evidence.
Needless to say I wouldn't be happy and might express this.

As for these standing by recording the beatings and observing, not stopping it, they are just as guilty and deserve same.

kelle

I feel sickened watching that video, yet it's what I endured and watched happening on a regular basis at school in the 70s!

Yet parents then thought nothing of it!

When my children were starting school, I was nervous and terrified for them - I can't imagine what I would have been like if I knew they would endure what was on this video.

ringadingding

What f uckin c unts,
I actually want to just pick that girl up and cuddle her, I was on the wrong end of beatings as a kid, and as such i could never ever strike a child.

It's more important for me these sadistic animals are permanently stopped from doing this rather than having their hands smashed with hammers.

I even see it was obviously put on as a bit of a show for the camera, who the **** films petrified kids being hit, my daughter is the same age, this has wrecked my day to be honest.

TheZohanS

The man, named in Egypt as Magdi el-Shaar, is shown apparently marking the children's homework before hitting them with a ruler.
He is reported to have blamed the country's revolution earlier this year for his actions, understood to have taken place at a centre in the city of Kafr Shukr, in Gharbiya state.
Video of the disturbing scenes - which have already been viewed by thousands after being posted online - captures pupils screaming in pain and attempting to avoid the blows.
More than 10 children, all aged below 10 and some seemingly around six-years-old, are seen being abused.
Beating and corporal punishment are the best means for disciplining children especially after the January 25 revolt.
Magdi el-Shaar's alleged reason for the beatings
Police say the man has been arrested and questioned by local prosecutors, and that the centre has been closed down upon the orders of the Minister of Social Solidarity.
El-Shaar allegedly told prosecutors: "Beating and corporal punishment are the best means for disciplining children especially after the January 25 revolt."
The teacher can be seen smiling during his assaults, with one girl dressed in pink receiving a particularly sickening beating as he repeatedly hits her and pulls her hair.
In the background, at least one other man can be heard laughing at the scenes, which were filmed by an unknown veiled female worker at the centre.
Uploaded on May 15 the video finishes with the shot panning round to reveal two more adults who have been watching.
Newspapers in Egypt say the Ministry of Social Solidarity will decide whether to re-open the centre or keep it closed depending on the results of an investigation.

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mikemac

Ministry of Social Solidarity :rolleyes:

Sounds like something from 1984 novel or some backward country with a propaganda division

cowhands

Doc wrote: »

If he did that to my child I would walk into the school and punch him in the face. I know that sounds like bravado and internet hardman but if I saw anyone doing that to my child I don’t think I could stop myself.

If I saw that happen to ANY child, not just my own, I would shove that ruler sideways so far up his arse he would need a dentist to remove it. HORRIBLE F*CKER

TheZohanS

feelingstressed wrote: »

And so it begins

Posters see violence and get understandably angry.

And the solution it seems is to dream up other inventive methods of violence, a beating every hour or take a hammer to their fingers..

Would you rather the parents hug it out?!

Those kids are only toddlers, I'm with Biggins here on the type of retribution I'd seek. That "teacher" certainly wouldn't do it again that's for sure.

Dravokivich

I don't understand why this teacher is doing it. If the kids aren't getting their homework right, he should be checking to see if they are all having problems with the same thing and addressing that. It doesn't make sense to me that he's pulling them around the room or smacking them with a ruler.

mikemac

TheZohan wrote: »

Would you rather the parents hug it out?!

Do you read my post? I posted it was understandable to get angry.

But there's a lot of internet hard man talk on this thread.

tfitzgerald

I have seen some sh1t on the net and a lot of it I just shrug off but this sickened me and yes I would happily show this thug some violence of my own and I don't care if that sounds two faced

Jerrica

I feel quite distressed after watching that

Stercus Accidit

feelingstressed wrote: »

And so it begins

Posters see violence and get understandably angry.

And the solution it seems is to dream up other inventive methods of violence, a beating every hour or take a hammer to their fingers..

Ah fuck off would ye.

Humanity in human reaction shocker.

TheZohanS

feelingstressed wrote: »

Do you read my post? I posted it was understandable to get angry.

But there's a lot of internet hard man talk on this thread.

In this instance I don't think it's "internet hard man talk", internet hard man talk is when you'd say you'd go after a group of 10 guys, bate them and rip off their heads because they dissed yore ma or something. A proper beating is completely justified and appropriate in this case.

sensibleken

Doc wrote: »

If he did that to my child I would walk into the school and punch him in the face. I know that sounds like bravado and internet hardman but if I saw anyone doing that to my child I don’t think I could stop myself.

Nothing wrong with that. My own Granda beat up a christian brother for giving a hiding to my uncle. right in the playground too

Doc

cowhands wrote: »

If I saw that happen to ANY child, not just my own, I would shove that ruler sideways so far up his arse he would need a dentist to remove it. HORRIBLE F*CKER

The OP asked

what would you do if this was your child?

so I told him.

Chairman Meow

Some people need to grow a pair of balls. Jeez i got hit worse than that by teachers in school. It certainly put manners on you and respect for your teachers, it made you hate them alright but you damn well behaved. something kids nowadays are sorely lacking

Faolchu

After Hours response: they didnt do their home work correct so they deserve it, should have blasted them in the face ... etc

actual response: meh happened to me as a kid and i worked out alright but then it was a different time with different rules.

mikemac

TheZohan wrote: »

A proper beating is completely justified and appropriate in this case.

And I don't realy have an issue with this, marching into school and giving a box in the face if that's what some want to do.
I wouldn't and the OP asked

But I'm reading taking a hammer to fingers and a beating every hour in jail so sleep deprivation.
Sure what else can we dream up? Lets get the imaginations working

Stercus Accidit wrote: »

Ah fuck off would ye.

Maybe read the above, aren't you wound up before 9am

GrizzlyMan

Them poor kids were terrified, what a fu1king coward, also that pr1ck with the camera was laughing he should also get a kicking :mad:

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Wow... AH siding with the kids and going against the beat-the-crap-out-of-them-that'll-learn-'em mentality! It'll be flying pigs next.

Chairman Meow wrote: »

Some people need to grow a pair of balls. Jeez i got hit worse than that by teachers in school. It certainly put manners on you and respect for your teachers, it made you hate them alright but you damn well behaved. something kids nowadays are sorely lacking

No it didn't. I still called him all sorts of **** behind his back. I pretended to respect him and behaved ok in his presence, but I assure you, there was never any genuine respect there and the behaviour was, shall we say, a tad more inconsistent.

Anyway, the kids in the video don't seem to be misbehaving.

Stercus Accidit

feelingstressed wrote: »

Maybe read the above, aren't you wound up before 9am

Nighty night California time.

Just suggesting you get off the high horse a little when criticizing people expressing the most natural of human reactions. I'd be more concerned about the sociopaths who don't feel strongly about that video.

TTYL

Chairman Meow

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

I pretended to respect him and behaved ok in his presence.

so in other words, it worked

Seachmall

Stercus Accidit wrote: »

I'd be more concerned about the sociopaths who don't feel strongly about that video.

I don't feel strong about the video but I'm no sociopath.

Do I think it's wrong? Yes.
Do I think he should be jailed? Of course.
With a baitin'? If ya want.
Has this happened in this country and were people fine with it? Yes.

Different times had different reactions to these sort of things, fortunately we're passed that in this country (for the most part anyway). What he did was disgraceful but once upon a time it was an accepted (and recommended?) form of punishment. It's not absolute that it's wrong, opinions on this subject are relative to the society.

common sense brigade

stunned and sickened by this. i hope thge parents hunt him down and give him the beating of his life. If anyone dared to touch my child like this, i would destroy them.

stovelid

feelingstressed wrote: »

Ministry of Social Solidarity

Sounds like something from 1984 novel or some backward country with a propaganda division

Or an Irish government department set up to investigate new methods of tax rape.

phill106

I dont know if we can blame the person who filmed it yet. Was filmed by an unknown veiled woman. What if she was some woman who filmed it to expose it? After all, it got up on youtube somehow.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Chairman Meow wrote: »

so in other words, it worked

Nope. I still got into more trouble when he wasn't around. It would have worked had he been omnipotent, as rule-by-fear requires, but he wasn't so it didn't.

seamus

Chairman Meow wrote: »

respect for your teachers, it made you hate them

Does not compute. Fear and respect are not the same thing. If everyone fears you, one day someone will kill you. If everyone respects you, they will protect you.

If a teacher is unable to discipline and control children by earning their respect, then they should go find a career that they're good at. All of the best teachers I had were the ones respected by their classes, not the ones who were feared or who had no control.

This comment from the article still has me scratching my head:
"Beating and corporal punishment are the best means for disciplining children especially after the January 25 revolt." Am I the only one who cannot see any logic in this statement? What does a revolt have to do with disciplining children?

It's also clearly only a complete moron who uses physical punishment against someone who makes intellectual errors. "Be smarter!" *whack*.

The guy should be fired and prohibited from working with children, animals or any vulnerable people for the rest of his life.

kelle

Dravokivich wrote: »

I don't understand why this teacher is doing it. If the kids aren't getting their homework right, he should be checking to see if they are all having problems with the same thing and addressing that. It doesn't make sense to me that he's pulling them around the room or smacking them with a ruler.

Oh yes, brings back horrible memories!

My youngest brother had lost his two front teeth (aged about 7) and for reading one day had to read a page titled "A hOcht a Chlog" - which he couldn't say properly. As we went to a Gaelscoil that were fanatical about pronounciations, he got a couple of belts across the head. My mother went in and calmly explained to the teacher why she shouldn't have done that - I'd have called the Gardai!

Did the teacher think that beating was going to make him learn his word?

hacked

Honestly, this doesn't surprise me at all, and as much as people on this thread aren't going to like me saying this...that was relatively mild.

I taught in Kenya for a while and punishment much worse than this was relatively common. Teachers would beat the children with rulers and sticks, and not always just little blows like that. I remember one of the guys who was working in a school further inland to where I was reported one of the teachers beating one of the 3/4 years old in the orphanage well over 10 times with a whicker rod till the child wet himself in terror. He was shunned for his remaining time in the orphanage school for reporting the behaviour.

It's sickening. I am just so grateful that I live in a country whre this sort of behaviour is illegal and dealt with seriously. I can't even comprehend how I'd feel if this was done to my daughter.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

seamus wrote: »

This comment from the article still has me scratching my head:
"Beating and corporal punishment are the best means for disciplining children especially after the January 25 revolt." Am I the only one who cannot see any logic in this statement? What does a revolt have to do with disciplining children?

My take on it was that if you beat the kids from an early age, they will not revolt or cause trouble when they're older. Possibly reading it wrong.

What makes me scratch my head is the idea that we don't want the kids to grow up expressing themselves and questioning authority, but we do want people to take to the streets and protest and express themselves the moment a government steps out of line.

What was that line from V for Vandetta?
"People should not fear their government, a government should fear their people."

Getting philosophical now

Gunsfortoys

I really don't get this "sure it happened to me and I was grand" attitude. The lads I knew growing up that got corporal punishment are not right at all.

Ghost Buster

Ok. At first I read the thread title but didnt fancy watching the video after having put my five year old on the bus and had a few hours with my pregnant wife before heading to work.
I scanned through the comments about walking in and beating the sheet out of the teacher and got on my rightous horse about violence solving nothing and not stooping to his level etc.....

Then i watched the video. Im still not sure if i would resort to violence as its not in me, but i would more than be happy if someone else did.
I was expecting a token pat on the hand with the ruler but when he repeatedly hauls that terrified tiny girl in by the hair and assaults her i had to turn off.

RachaelVO

Jesus, I felt sick watching that! I'm kinda sorry I did now! That poor little girl in the pink particularly. And as for the two adults watching and laughing. B4stards! The article said it was recorded by a veiled woman, I would imagine she was trying to be a whistle blower!

If that was either of mine I don't know what I'd do, but I can guarantee Id have an alibi!!!!!!

Pandora2

In my mid [EMAIL="40@s"]40's[/EMAIL] now. I remember my headmaster/teacher of 7th class putting me (aged 12) in the knee area of an oldfashioned desk...resulting in me being completely hidden from the view of the class...he spent the whole day kicking me in the torso and legs, light enough contact but over time I was cramped up and sore..not marked though....it was not his first time!!!:rolleyes:

What did I do to attract this elongated (must have been 4 hours) and distressing punishment?? He came back to class after being absent for 2 hours (he had set work) and listened at the window of the class and caught me talking, I was asking for a pencil topper, we were terrified of him!!

His other trick was to pinch your nose between his first two fingers...this looks like an affectionate gesture however he squeezed your nose really hard, brought tears to the eyes! This was done openly in halls and in the yard...he did it to me regularly until one day when I had a heavy head cold.......let's say I did not hold back with the snotter Small victories!!

Great man though, if you mention his name in my hometown!!

The King of Moo

People like that guy are terrifying, not just because of what he did to those poor kids, but because it's revealing of the way some people can see great distress in other people and just not give a s**t, which can lead to far worse things.
I genuinely can't understand how someone could beat such young children as that, for such a trivial thing, see how much pain and distress it's causing them, and continue to beat them.
It's like there's a basic human instinct that's lacking in people like this.

hondasam

I would not condone violence but if my child suffered like those kids in the link my natural reaction would be to lash out.
It would make me as bad as the offender but I would have to protect my kids from a bully.

Ghost Buster

Pandora2 wrote: »

In my mid [EMAIL="40@s"]40's[/EMAIL] now. I remember my headmaster/teacher of 7th class putting me (aged 12) in the knee area of an oldfashioned desk...resulting in me being completely hidden from the view of the class...he spent the whole day kicking me in the torso and legs, light enough contact but over time I was cramped up and sore..not marked though....it was not his first time!!!:rolleyes:

What did I do to attract this elongated (must have been 4 hours) and distressing punishment?? He came back to class after being absent for 2 hours (he had set work) and listened at the window of the class and caught me talking, I was asking for a pencil topper, we were terrified of him!!

His other trick was to pinch your nose between his first two fingers...this looks like an affectionate gesture however he squeezed your nose really hard, brought tears to the eyes! This was done openly in halls and in the yard...he did it to me regularly until one day when I had a heavy head cold.......let's say I did not hold back with the snotter Small victories!!

Great man though, if you mention his name in my hometown!!

I had a similar experience. Went to a very very rural school in Mayo with two class rooms. Baby infants to second class in one room and third to sixth class in another. The teacher in the younger kids room was utterly psycho. She hospitalised one kid by stabbing him through the ear lobe with a fountain pen and I was concussed when she hit me with one of those old role books with a wooden cover and copper corners. The sting is that as this was 1970's ireland and her husband was a high ranking Garda she was relatively untouchable and given the same respect that priests and politicians received in those days... Ah old ireland eh?!!!!
My English (and there fore **** stirring) Mother with the backing of the Doctor who had to treat myself and a few other kids she assaulted threatened legal action and mysteriously the teacher had to retire for medical grounds to do with her nerves or some such.