RTE 2 Broadcasting in HD now

Sam Russell

Apogee wrote: »

They are probably still fiddling/testing at the moment. It should be easily noticeable whether the source is HD or not. Look for the blades of green grass on the pitch.

I thought 'testing/fiddling' was what they have been doing for the last two years and ten months. They started broadcasting the current DTT format on the 1st August 2008. It has not changed much since then.

Apogee

Sam Russell wrote: »

I thought 'testing/fiddling' was what they have been doing for the last two years and ten months. They started broadcasting the current DTT format on the 1st August 2008. It has not changed much since then.

Maybe they like testing/fiddling!

To be honest, it's a bit odd that the introduction of RTÉ One +1 and RTÉ jr, as well as the HD content on 2 was left until now. But ours is not to reason why...

Strawberry HillBilly

Perhaps HD dog is being included for new SAORVIEW adopters following launch this week ? Accentuating HD is new ?

The Cush

Sam Russell wrote: »

I thought 'testing/fiddling' was what they have been doing for the last two years and ten months. They started broadcasting the current DTT format on the 1st August 2008. It has not changed much since then.

Just had a look back to see when this started - Tuesday 5th August 2008 at about 16:00, MPEG-4 engineering test transmissions from Three Rock.

2 years, 9 months, 21 days later we finally have an operational DTT service. Counting down now to ASO.

pof233

Hey, I have a 50" Full HD Samsung, I currently use UPC.

To get RTEHD do i just need to get one of them old aerials, unplug the upc, stick the aerial in and try to manually tune in RTE and itll now be in HD format?

are they showing the CL final in HD tomorrow nite?

Minstrel27

pof233 wrote: »

Hey, I have a 50" Full HD Samsung, I currently use UPC.

To get RTEHD do i just need to get one of them old aerials, unplug the upc, stick the aerial in and try to manually tune in RTE and itll now be in HD format?

are they showing the CL final in HD tomorrow nite?

If your television is MPEG4 compatible then yes.

Champions League is in HD tomorrow night according to an advert on the other day.

An Tarbh

I still think those ads were a bit ambiguous, they were only definite about the rugby and hurling on Sunday being in HD. I've seen no specific mention that the Champions League will be in HD, although I'll happily be proven wrong!

seanp_25

An Tarbh wrote: »

I still think those ads were a bit ambiguous, they were only definite about the rugby and hurling on Sunday being in HD. I've seen no specific mention that the Champions League will be in HD, although I'll happily be proven wrong!

Is was fairly explicit in the RTE Guide. It said Champions League, photo of Messi and all! Although it didn't say the hurling, only rugby and soccer. I'm sure it'll be all 3.

The Cush

An Tarbh wrote: »

I still think those ads were a bit ambiguous, they were only definite about the rugby and hurling on Sunday being in HD. I've seen no specific mention that the Champions League will be in HD, although I'll happily be proven wrong!

RTÉ Guide article

The Cush wrote: »

Saorview launch article from next weeks RTÉ Guide (28 May - 3 Jun), out today.

An Tarbh

that's grand, cheers for that

Sam Russell

pof233 wrote: »

Hey, I have a 50" Full HD Samsung, I currently use UPC.

To get RTEHD do i just need to get one of them old aerials, unplug the upc, stick the aerial in and try to manually tune in RTE and itll now be in HD format?

are they showing the CL final in HD tomorrow nite?

If you get a suitable diplexer, you can combine the UPC signal with the Saorview one (depending on where you are located) and have both on your TV at the same time. It will not work everywhere, as the Saorview signal would need to be above channel 40 or so. You just connect the UPC cable into one input, the aerial into the other and the output to the TV. If you feed multiple TVs, then do the combine before you split out the signal.

You still need a compatible TV or a set top box for each TV.

EdmondShiels3

Have any programs on rte two been in hd yet, watching camelot not and it look upscaled the same picture quality as last week. Is the hd dog staying on all the time because it will make people think they are watching all programs in hd.

dellWlan

Not sure if it's been mentioned earlier but what resolution is rte hd going to be in? 1080i?
I'm watching it via play tv and have always found 720p a better option than 1080i, my tv is hd ready not full hd. Will this affect picture quality? Should I change settings to match rte's?

Apogee

1440x1080 - the same as BBC One HD and BBC HD.

The Cush

EdmondShiels3 wrote: »

Is the hd dog staying on all the time because it will make people think they are watching all programs in hd.

I'd guess it's going to remain full time as the channel is transmitted in 1080i format all the time.

The plan from last August was that a short animation would be played on handover to an HD event.

This from RTÉ

It is planned that the service will carry a new logo/bug ‘RTÉ 2 HD’ and also a short animation will be played, probably a lower third super, on handover to the live event.
...
In all cases the transmission schedule/running order will contain specific data to indicate the true HD events.

dellWlan

Apogee wrote: »

1440x1080 - the same as BBC One HD and BBC HD.

Thanks.
Maybe a coincidence but play tv kept crashing, changed video output to 1080i and so far so good.

What is the audio format? As a precaution I've put the sound back through my tv as linear PCM rather than optical out in the fancier formats.

Coincidence. Still crashing. I'll head off to ps3 forum for some answers.

seanp_25

The Cush wrote: »

The plan from last August was that a short animation would be played on handover to an HD event.

Hopefully we'll see that around 5pm

bob11

Mayo Exile wrote: »

Not yet. Magners League Final kicks off at 5pm. Wait till after that starts until you decide!

OK, definitely Impressive HD quality on RTE HD , compared to RTE 2 via UPC ..

LostChild

bob11 wrote: »

OK, definitely Impressive HD quality on RTE HD , compared to RTE 2 via UPC ..

Yep, very impressed with the quality on RTE2 HD. Especially compared to regular RTE 2 on my sky hd box!

NIMAN

Sounds like a general thumbs up so far.

Souriau

RTE2 HD, 0x44e running at 8mbps, 33% of Mux1 capacity
RTE1, 0x044d at 9%
TV3, 0x044f at 5%
TG4, 0x0450 at 15%
RTE News, 0x0551 at 5%

enfant terrible

Souriau wrote: »

RTE2 HD, 0x44e running at 8mbps, 33% of Mux1 capacity
RTE1, 0x044d at 9%
TV3, 0x044f at 5%
TG4, 0x0450 at 15%
RTE News, 0x0551 at 5%

When I got Sky HD on launch day in 2006 I remember people saying the bbc hd transmission was running at 30+mbps, I was blown away by the quality.

The hd quality has been a steady decline since then for me.

Minstrel27

BBC HD is only about 8 or 9 Mbps these days.

spockety

Minstrel27 wrote: »

BBC HD is only about 8 or 9 Mbps these days.

Yes but I'd bet any money they're not using the same encoder for their 9Mbps output as they were for their 30Mbps output.

H.264 encoding has moved on significantly since the early days of BBC HD testing.

While I'm not suggesting bitrates don't play a part, and perhaps there has been a noticeable drop in output quality on BBC HD, it may be the case that the encoder they're using at the moment can get the same perceived quality at, say, 15Mbps as their old encoder was getting at 30Mbps.

byte

spockety wrote: »

Yes but I'd bet any money they're not using the same encoder for their 9Mbps output as they were for their 30Mbps output.

H.264 encoding has moved on significantly since the early days of BBC HD testing.

While I'm not suggesting bitrates don't play a part, and perhaps there has been a noticeable drop in output quality on BBC HD, it may be the case that the encoder they're using at the moment can get the same perceived quality at, say, 15Mbps as their old encoder was getting at 30Mbps.

Yes, I think BBC said something along these lines alright.

patwicklow

it could be in 3d still would,nt watch the crap on rte2.

Minstrel27

patwicklow wrote: »

it could be in 3d still would,nt watch the crap on rte2.

That's nice to know. Run along now.

higgz

Desperate Housewives on now in HD, brilliant

The Cush

higgz wrote: »

Desperate Housewives on now in HD, brilliant

Doesn't look HD to me, upscaled SD. No indication in the programme info that it's HD as with the rugby earlier. Also RTÉ would have been advertising the fact all week if it was to be broadcast in HD.

Jpmarn

The Cush wrote: »

Doesn't look HD to me, upscaled SD. No indication in the programme info that it's HD as with the rugby earlier. Also RTÉ would have been advertising the fact all week if it was to be broadcast in HD.

I would agree to this statement.

NIMAN

I definitely thought the CL Final was better quality, but not really that great tbh.

When I switched over to watch it on ITV SD on Sky there was a noticeable difference, but it did not appear to be as good as WC2010 on BBC (from memory).

Minstrel27

Yes. That is because it was upscaled and not HD on RTÉ.

max life

LostChild wrote: »

Yep, very impressed with the quality on RTE2 HD. Especially compared to regular RTE 2 on my sky hd box!

I thought the RTE2HD quality was excellant. Big Thumbs Up.:D

Charles Slane

It goes to show how bad HD is/has become that people are debating whether something was in HD or not. If HD was all it was supposed to be it should be immediately apparent if something is in HD.

In the right light and from just the right angle, HD looks almost as good as old cathode ray TV used to look.

We've been sold a pup.

watty

With Upscaling of SD that was downscaled from HD it's not so simple!

See samples and discussion here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056094972

Jim from Cork

I must say I thought the rugby picture quality was superb - whatever it was! (I've never had HD at home)
I watched the first half at home but dragged myself to the pub for the second half:) - the picture (chorus) was poor in the pub! I nearly went back home (only nearly):).

seanp_25

I made a comparison of the RTE2 HD DOG for upscaled SD vs HD.

Both of these are taken from 1080p images.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/55507 (use mouse over to compare)

10000maniacs

Charles Slane wrote: »

It goes to show how bad HD is/has become that people are debating whether something was in HD or not. If HD was all it was supposed to be it should be immediately apparent if something is in HD.

In the right light and from just the right angle, HD looks almost as good as old cathode ray TV used to look.

We've been sold a pup.

Actually it was blindingly obvious from the first frame beamed from the stadium that this wasn't HD. I pointed this out on another thread.

NeitherJohn

Does anybody have a few seconds of footage saved from the rugby yesterday? I've scoured t'internet looking for some. Judging from the screenshot posted, it looks fantastic.

I was planning on watching it at a friends house but managed to blag a pair of tickets yesterday morning!

Thanks

mossym

surprised at the fantastc comments about the rugby. admittedly was at the match so only watched it after wathing the CL on ITVHD last ngiht, but thought the rte hd picture was very very soft compared to itv hd, which is generally the worst of the itv/bbc/sky hd offerings, will be interested to see the gaa today but really not impressed with the rte hd offering

Hylus83

For today's GAA games, only the second match will be HD! Why? I can't understand why RTE don't broadcast all footage from the pitch (or the studio) in HD - since they now have the ability to do so!

Mayo Exile

mossym wrote: »

surprised at the fantastc comments about the rugby. admittedly was at the match so only watched it after wathing the CL on ITVHD last ngiht, but thought the rte hd picture was very very soft compared to itv hd, which is generally the worst of the itv/bbc/sky hd offerings, will be interested to see the gaa today but really not impressed with the rte hd offering

Was it a highlights show on RTE2 you were watching? That may have been upscaled SD only.

seanp_25

mossym wrote: »

surprised at the fantastc comments about the rugby. admittedly was at the match so only watched it after wathing the CL on ITVHD last ngiht, but thought the rte hd picture was very very soft compared to itv hd, which is generally the worst of the itv/bbc/sky hd offerings, will be interested to see the gaa today but really not impressed with the rte hd offering

The CL was SD on RTE.

Hylus83 wrote: »

For today's GAA games, only the second match will be HD! Why? I can't understand why RTE don't broadcast all footage from the pitch (or the studio) in HD - since they now have the ability to do so!

RTE might only have one HD outside broadcast unit.

mossym

Mayo Exile wrote: »

Was it a highlights show on RTE2 you were watching? That may have been upscaled SD only.

nope, i had recorded the live showing of the match, it was hd alright, just poor in my opinion

mossym

seanp_25 wrote: »

The CL was SD on RTE.



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i watched the rugby after watching the CL on itvhd, so didn't even watch the CL on rte. my comments were about the rugby, i wouldn't watch soccer on rte unless it was the very last resort.


i recorded the HD broadcast of the rugby from RTE and watched it later, on my setiup it looked soft.

The Cush

Hylus83 wrote: »

For today's GAA games, only the second match will be HD! Why? I can't understand why RTE don't broadcast all footage from the pitch (or the studio) in HD - since they now have the ability to do so!

The studio HD upgrade doesn't happen until 2012 at the earliest with the Project 2025 redevelopment of the RTÉ campus.

As far as we know the playout system has been replaced which allows external live native-HD events to "pass-through" and in the near future pre-recorded HD material (movies, tv series etc) to be played out. In-house HD productions next year or later.

mossym

seanp_25 wrote: »

RTE might only have one HD outside broadcast unit.

i imagine RTE have none, and rely on supplied footage from companies with OB units, they do for the rugby(ar at least did until the match on saturday, it being HD something may have changed)

The Cush

mossym wrote: »

nope, i had recorded the live showing of the match, it was hd alright, just poor in my opinion

How did you record it in HD?

mossym

just watching the hurling, and on a 40" tv it looks a lot better than my main setup, which is to be expected. However comparing rte versus the uk HD channels last night on the main setup, the rte definitely looks inferior, tough to do any real comparisions without the same material though.

woll see how the HD Looks now when it comes on

mossym

The Cush wrote: »

How did you record it in HD?

Windows media center PC with a DVB-T Card, recording the TS stream