Rosanna Davison awarded €80,000 in damages

Orbiter

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Examples of hatred please.

Well, before there were more than 10 posts on this topic there's posts 'I hate Rosanna Davison' and that she's an attention seeking whore......don't understand why people take it so personally.

Eric Cartman

Orbiter wrote: »

Well, before there were more than 10 posts on this topic there's posts 'I hate Rosanna Davison' and that she's an attention seeking whore......don't understand why people take it so personally.

are you saying those people are wrong ? then thats your belief, I cant see where anyone said that , but if they did say that, i would be inclined to agree and thats my view , i dont 'begrudge' her in any way, she made her money selling her looks , I make mine another way that actually benefits society, so be it.

Micky Dolenz

pof233 wrote: »

I would smash her back doors in

Re reg troll, banned.

Micky Dolenz

Orbiter wrote: »

Well, before there were more than 10 posts on this topic there's posts 'I hate Rosanna Davison' and that she's an attention seeking whore......don't understand why people take it so personally.

Not seeing it. I see a post where both parties in the case were called "A pair of attention seeking whores". I don't really see anything else.

Have a vested interest by any chance?

Orbiter

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Not seeing it. I see a post where both parties in the case were called "A pair of attention seeking whores". I don't really see anything else.

Have a vested interest by any chance?

No vested interest at all!! Just making a point, badly obviously......:cool:

Elmer Blooker

There was a thread around here a few days ago, what was it called again?
Good looks = Easy life.

krudler

Morlar wrote: »

Those comments are bordering on cynicism.

I wont stand for such accusations, see you in court!

super_furry

flash1080 wrote: »

Well done to Davison and her daddy, taking a profitable Irish company that trades internationally, a company that is very important to our economy, to court over some complete bullshít.

What planet are you on? "Shhhh everyone sit down and stay quiet. Don't annoy the big company, you might hurt their feelings!"

Agent Smith

This is the most retarded ruling since Ireland V the Breakdancing robots.


I hope she donates the money, or else the Breakdancing robots wont be happy...

Sonnenblumen

Agent Smith wrote: »

This is the most retarded ruling since Ireland V the Breakdancing robots.


I hope she donates the money, or else the Breakdancing robots wont be happy...

Disagree, but was retarded was the bullyboy company's insistance not to offer any apology. Award is small beans for that crap low cost flyer, who when you think about it has achieved probably x 10 times the value in publicity.

So well done to the jurors and to Miss D for taking a case and winning.

OutlawPete

They implied she was racist and xenophobic, she isn't and said nothing to excuse such nonsense. What she said was:

If I was (organising) it, I would have made sure that Irish women were involved because it’s an Irish charity and Irish fundraising. Any person from any part of Europe would say that Irish women are gorgeous”.

Delighted she won, about time society in general stopped throwing around these accusations with little or no foundation.

The Princess Bride

Does anyone know which charity the Ryanair calendar was originally supporting?

Am surprised with today's decision considering the original idea was as a fundraiser, and surely that was more important than the ego trips which followed.

€80,000 isn't that much anyway- 111 pairs of Christian Louboutins ,80 pairs of Manolo Blahniks.......a few euro for some lippy..... won't be a cent left by Christmas.

donfers

yup she's not racist for those comments, the worst accusation i could throw at her is that she's a bit delusional for suggesting Irish women are thought of as gorgeous all around Europe....having lived and worked around Europe that's not my experience of popular opinion from our continental neighbours although i have had many an argument with them defending our fair maidens, we've plenty of attractive women here but certainly to suggest any person from any part of Europe would say Irish women are gorgeous is complete and utter bs

Sonnenblumen

donfers wrote: »

yup she's not racist for those comments, the worst accusation i could throw at her is that she's a bit delusional for suggesting Irish women are thought of as gorgeous all around Europe....having lived and worked around Europe that's not my experience of popular opinion from our continental neighbours although i have had many an argument with them defending our fair maidens, we've plenty of attractive women here but certainly to suggest any person from any part of Europe would say Irish women are gorgeous is complete and utter bs

Love is blind:)

OutlawPete

msthe80s wrote: »

Does anyone know which charity the Ryanair calendar was originally supporting?

Dublin Simon Community.

“Ryanair confirmed it had received applications from charities throughout Europe and Dublin’s Simon Community was chosen.

“Ryanair’s Stephen McNamara said: “There is nothing more unattractive than jealousy. We cannot believe that Ireland’s former Miss World would engage in such narrow minded remarks about a calendar which will raise money for charity. We conducted a fair and unbiased selection process for our calendar participants and for our charity partner which was based on the strongest applications received.

“Ryanair does not participate in tokenism. While we originally selected an Irish girl it was because she deserved to be included not simply as a token gesture. To replace that girl with another applicant on the basis of her being Irish would have been unfair to all the girls who applied to participate. The strongest candidates were selected irrespective of race. This narrow minded attitude is disgraceful.

“Ryanair is an international airline and all the staff members involved in this calendar irrespective of where they came from are delighted to help this year’s charity. We hope that next year we will receive more applications from our gorgeous

Irish cabin crew. However, we will never place any staff members ahead of others simply because they are Irish.”

In evidence, Ms Davison said she won Miss Ireland in August 2003 and went on to win Miss World that December. She travelled to many countries and did a lot of charity work in her year as Miss Ireland and Miss World and since.

In 2006, she completed an honours degree in Sociology and History of Art in UCD and later did a diploma in PR and Event Management. She works as a model and a columnist for the Evening Herald.

She said she made her remarks concerning the Ryanair calendar after being phoned by a journalist, Stephen O’Farrell, whom she did not know. She was regularly phoned by journalists for quotes.

She said the journalist told her the Ryanair calendar had just been published, there were no Irish women in it and asked, as an Irish model, what she though of it. He also asked what she thought about Irish women as there had been some remarks about them.

When she answered his questions, she did not know much about Ryanair, having flown with it just twice, or about the selection process for the calendar.

The next day, she was contacted by a journalist about the Ryanair news release and was absolutely shocked and upset when she saw the words used in the release, particularly racist. She did not believe the calendar should be limited to one nationality.

Of all people to call racist and elitist, she was not such a person as she worked with and for people of all nationalities. Her family was also upset.

Her solicitor Paul Tweed wrote to Ryanair looking for an apology and donation to charity. She felt Ryanair’s response in its replies to her solicitor’s “reasonable” letters was aggressive. References by Ryanair in its letters describing her comments as “stupid” and “ill-considered” were “incredibly juvenile”, “downright rude” and “schoolyard talk”, she said.

The jury heard Ryanair had in one letter stated it had been contacted by Chris de Burgh, father of Ms Davison, about the news release and had said it would not be bullied by Mr De Burgh.

In cross-examination, Martin Hayden SC, for Ryanair, said Ms Davison’s solicitor had initially written seeking a substantial donation to charity.

Ms Davison agreed she knew little about Ryanair when she made her remarks to Mr O’Farrell, whom she had never spoken to before. Flights were often organised for her and these were with Aer Lingus.

She agreed she had considerable dealings with media. She also agreed a charity calendar is a great idea and said she had participated in a charity calendar, Angels for Moldova.

She felt her comments concerning the calendar were “considered” and “very measured”, she was expressing her opinion when she said she would have ensured Irish girls were involved, and did not mean to insult anyone.

GT_TDI_150

ryanair claimed her comments regarding the flight crews were 'borderline racism',

to me that means close but not quite there, so how did she win this case?

super_furry

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

ryanair claimed her comments regarding the flight crews were 'borderline racism',

to me that means close but not quite there, so how did she win this case?

Because what she actually said was nowhere remotely near being racist.

OutlawPete

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

ryanair claimed her comments regarding the flight crews were 'borderline racism',

to me that means close but not quite there, so how did she win this case?

She sued for defamation and based on what they said the implications of what Ryanair said were and the jury agreed with that:

A jury ruled a press release by the airline implied model Rosanna Davison, daughter of singer Chris de Burgh, was racist, xenophobic, jealous and narrow-minded.

When you consider Donal Kinsella got €10m, I think they were very lucky. These accusations will follow her dispute this ruling and could result in her losing out on work that she may have got otherwise. No wonder they are not going to appeal.

wonderboysam

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Any and all abuse, be it against other users or Ms Davison, will result in infractions etc.

or a lawsuit :pac:

dj jarvis

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

ryanair claimed her comments regarding the flight crews were 'borderline racism',

to me that means close but not quite there, so how did she win this case?

flashing her dirty pillows at the jury !!!!
its how i always win , paint the lad up to resemble a Peruvian fruit snake
jurys fu1king love a Peruvian fruit snake


now where is my meth pipe ?

The Shtig

I completely agree with the verdict, how was it considered racism? If i was asked the same question I would've said the same thing. She wasn't implying it should strictly be Irish models only.

Those comments are damaging for someone who's career is based in the public eye. Ryanair should have more cop on than to be making comments like those.

It would be interesting if it was a different person, a more 'lovable' celebrity to see the different responses in this thread.

recyclebin

Just booked two flights with ryanair. What's this new rosanna davison defamation fee of €2 euro per flight about?

mconigol

A full on jury trial for this. 3 days! How much did that cost?

Get over yourself Davison! Nobody gives a toss.

barney4001

Agent Smith wrote: »

This is the most retarded ruling since Ireland V the Breakdancing robots.


I hope she donates the money, or else the Breakdancing robots wont be happy...

SOME CHANCE OF THAT HAPPENING MONEY GRABBERS THAT LOT ARE

cosanostra

Ryanair will win out of this in the long run but people need to stop running to the courts when someone says something about them what a waste of a courts time

vonnie10

Eugh I'm bummed cos I really don't give a monkeys about Rosanna Davison or Ryanair yet this utter tripe is shoved down our necks in all aspects of the media!!! Its absolute BS !!! Seriously so much stuff going on and we're hearing about this nonsense, just wish they would all feck off !! Its the same with the giggs superinjunction scandal !!! Why are we giving these numpties column inches ?? Are there people out there that actually care??? Also if Rosanna Davison had any decency she'd donate the money...

The Left Hand Of God

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

ryanair claimed her comments regarding the flight crews were 'borderline racism',

to me that means close but not quite there, so how did she win this case?

Well if someone here said you were "borderline "insert any insulting personal remark" would you see it as an insult or would you and the mods go "a well... borderline... it's not like it was an actual insult"


I think she was dead right to sue. They splashed it all over the world via their website

I can't see anything wrong with her comments regarding the calender, it was just a personal opinion and was hardly slating ryanair either? I will be happily educated other wise.

Paparazzo

How dare Rosanna Davidson defend herself! Some ridiculous posts here

OutlawPete

vonnie10 wrote: »

Its absolute BS !!! Seriously so much stuff going on and we're hearing about this nonsense, just wish they would all feck off !! Its the same with the giggs superinjunction scandal !!! Why are we giving these numpties column inches ?? Are there people out there that actually care???

If you didn't care, you wouldn't click on the thread title. Clicking on thread titles is the Internet equivalent of hovering around the newspaper section of your local newsagents and then just buying a red top to see just what it's all about. Then, as you sip your tea and read up on all the gossip, put it down and say: 'Why to they print all that stuff, who cares' and the cycle continues. Course, we're all Irish Times readers on AH, so nobody on here would ever be guilty of that.

Denisejcc

SOO MAD she won her 'case' :mad:

€80K! FFS! I wonder will she give any of it to charity afterall thats what the calendar was for .. doubtful! :rolleyes::( Muppet

Mr. Presentable

The Left Hand Of God wrote: »

Well if someone here said you were "borderline "insert any insulting personal remark" would you see it as an insult or would you and the mods go "a well... borderline... it's not like it was an actual insult"


I think she was dead right to sue. They splashed it all over the world via their website

I can't see anything wrong with her comments regarding the calender, it was just a personal opinion and was hardly slating ryanair either? I will be happily educated other wise.

Maybe I'm mad, but I thought they said her remarks bordered on racist. That is, in the good boards tradition, they attacked the post, not the poster.

Now I am as big a begrudger of Ryanair as the next man, but this was a bad call by the jury. The jury was quite simply only too pleased to wipe the smug grin of Ryanair. If the case had taken place anywhere but in ireland the judgement would have been against De Burgh.

Sonnenblumen

vonnie10 wrote: »

Eugh I'm bummed cos I really don't give a monkeys about Rosanna Davison or Ryanair yet this utter tripe is shoved down our necks in all aspects of the media!!! Its absolute BS !!! Seriously so much stuff going on and we're hearing about this nonsense, just wish they would all feck off !! Its the same with the giggs superinjunction scandal !!! Why are we giving these numpties column inches ?? Are there people out there that actually care??? Also if Rosanna Davison had any decency she'd donate the money...

Yeah, probably more causes now than cases.

phasers

If the girl has any sense she'd donate the money to Dublin Simon Community immediately, it's fantastic publicity and it's not like she needs the cash.

ejmaztec

Ryanair could always appeal against the decision, presumably?

Masala

I wonder will O'Leary make the 'Sales & Marketing' pay for this next week..... they should know better than run a solo campaign without the Boss comments on it first!! Hair-dryer treatment for XXXXXXXX. And still no apology....yet!!

There is no room for initiative at Ryanair...... €80,000 - wow - I suppose that another €1 on the Each-way Fees for 'Anti-Racism Litigation' going forward!!

....Don't worry about Ryanair in this. The travelling public will pay for it in the end!!

Liam Byrne

And yet she hangs out - and flies quite happily - with Johnny Ronan......amazing the standards some people have, isn't it ?

OutlawPete

ejmaztec wrote: »

Ryanair could always appeal against the decision, presumably?

Nope, as I posted earlier, they won't be and I don't blame them, they got off light.

“We note that the jury were split and now we will be looking for an appeal on the damages because we feel we should have been able to bring forward the argument of fair comment and qualified privilege,” he said.

“I still stand by the right for us to defend the calendar so in terms of that I don’t think any apology was required.”

He revealed the airline was turning its attention to its 2012 calendar, which he said he hoped will be widely supported.

“Rosanna herself can apply,” joked Mr McNamara.

“If she wants to apply we’ll consider her. But the best girls will always get in.”

However later this evening Ryanair issued a statement saying they were "very happy" with the outcome and no appeal would take place.

"Having considered the matter further and in light of the fact that the jury award of €40,000 for damages to her reputation is less than the cost of an appeal to the Supreme Court we have decided not to bother appealing as we are very happy with this outcome," the company said.

ejmaztec

I'm waiting for the introduction of Ryancourts, a frills-free alternative to the present Irish legal system, where you can pay twenty quid and jump on a conveyor-belt for five minutes*, after which time a panel of your peers can press buttons to decide on the outcome of the case.


*If you have extra evidence to bring up, it will be an extra €10 per additional item.

FoxT

I don't like Ryanair. I don't know Ms Davison, but tbh I don't really like her, either.

However, what I HATE, is that this frivolous, spiteful, unimportant case, was permitted to consume the time of a Jury & of a High Court , when there are people waiting years to get a chance of a court hearing into serious problems like medical negligence, pyrites in foundations, etc.

To all intents & purposes, if you are a Joe Citizen in this country you do not have recourse to the law.

-FoxT

OutlawPete

Off out for night, thought I'd leave you all with a nice heartfelt, tear educing piece of 'music'

Well done Rosanna, well done Chris, in your face O'Leary \:p/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoZ52UdJoFE

alchemist33

I seriously don't understand the opposition to this ruling. Ryanair lied their asses off, probably for publicity, and called someone a racist. It doesn't matter who that person was. How would any of you non-Miss Worlds feel in her position? I'd be mad as hell if someone blatantly misconstrued what I said and called me racist.

The_Thing

Rosanna 1, O'Leary \ Con Ryan Air 0: - A great result in my opinion, because afterall "the truth and Ryanair are uncomfortable bedfellows".

gman2k

OutlawPete wrote: »

Off out for night, thought I'd leave you all with a nice heartfelt, tear educing piece of 'music'

Well done Rosanna, well done Chris, in your face O'Leary \:p/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoZ52UdJoFE

Image of Chris/ Rosanna playing on slide in the garden with woman with pram standing beside them.
First thing that pops into my mind was - is that 'the nanny'?
Then when the private jet is rolling up and Rosanna gets off - Is that Johnny's jet?:P

Tayla

While I think it was an absolutely ridiculous case I have to say I am happy about the Judges remarks to the Jury earlier today, if he hadn't made those comments she probably would have been awarded an even more ridiculous amount of money.

I can't actually find the article now but he basically told them to be realistic if they did decide to award damages and not to go mad and to think about the prices of things such as a house to put the amount of damages into perspective.

The Left Hand Of God

alchemist33 wrote: »

I seriously don't understand the opposition to this ruling. Ryanair lied their asses off, probably for publicity, and called someone a racist. It doesn't matter who that person was. How would any of you non-Miss Worlds feel in her position? I'd be mad as hell if someone blatantly misconstrued what I said and called me racist.

This is AH. Logic and sense is meant to be left at the door.

FoxT

OutlawPete wrote: »

Off out for night, thought I'd leave you all with a nice heartfelt, tear educing piece of 'music'

Well done Rosanna, well done Chris, in your face O'Leary \:p/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoZ52UdJoFE

Damn, my barf-pot is full to the brim...

gigino

Did'nt the spoilt brat who took the case go off to Morocco on a whim / impulse with Johnny Ronan of Treasury Holdings ( one of the top ten developers in NAMA ), not that long ago - last year ? on a mega luxury weekend break.

And the rest of us working our asses off to be able to fly scheduled airlines instead of private jets. And yet she had the cheek to ask Ryanair for free tickets. She is not the president, no need for her to act like one.

gman2k

Weepsie wrote: »

Nothing dignified about taking out silly lawsuits. It shouldve been a retraction of the statement and a charitable donation. No doubt her and Wes will be off to Morocco in the morning.

People have had far worse accusations thrown at them on a daily basis, she is not in touch with reality. Silly woman

I think you'll find by way of today's verdict that it's Ryanair who is not in touch with reality.
Ryanair and the truth are not comfortable bedfellows....

Laois_Man

FloatingVoter wrote: »

Thats one less toilet roll per flight for us plebs.

Note to self for when leaving to catch next flight: Bring doc leaf!

Vizzy

Irrespective of who won the case today,Ryanair won.
"No such thing as bad publicity" - look at the various Ryanair adverts about the travel tax,DAA.terminal2 etc