Legalize Cannabis Ireland

sdiff

Snowc wrote: »

Great post anyone who wants drugs legal are crazy especially if the are being used to cure an illness.I am organising a march to ban chemists in Mayo, if you want I can sent you a pm with details?



Another great post made even better by the use of the caps lock button.If your son had got diabetes from eating to much sugar would you protest to have sugar made illegal ?



If your son doesnt get any use from cannabis then it should be kept illegal?There is plenty of prescription drugs that can cause problems in some people but that doesn't stop being legal.



Great post ,Ming flanagan bankrupted this country by smoking cannabis and made matters worst by taking a 50% pay cut.I know my sons role model is Bertie Ahern so he should be safe.

Haha I lold at this. I know it's human nature to be biased because of upbringing (one could describe it as indoctrination) but it's frustrating how most people against legalization think "Draw a conclusion, look all around the internet for the slightest bit of "evidence"(i.e a biased and infactual opinion piece) to back up their conclusion whereas the logical, "scientific" method is to look at evidence THEN draw a conclusion. I have done the latter and I have no doubt about my view that it should be legal.

rockynavan

hello i have never drank alcohol or smoked tobacco in my life i have smoked pure cannabis for 13years but i like to be different say no to harddrugs

Lab_Mouse

In The Sticks wrote: »

no wonder our country is where it is today, it makes me want to vomit.

the country is in a state because of ** like beverly cooper flynn and the rest of those chancers,not luke flanagan.

hard facts.People smoke hash,irrespective of whether its legal or illegal.With it being illegal its organised crime that get the cash.

legalise it,the government gets tax.People that smoke it dont have to worry about getting done for possession.and as for the people that dont smoke it,guess what life continues on the same for you.

The argrument that making it legal would incline young people to try it is bollix.They come in contact with it anyway,so again they'll either smoke it or they wont.

As for the poster above me who lost a family member and has a sion with shcizophrenia induced by it ,i feel your pain.

I have a bro who is in the same boat,drug induced pyschosis,has been a smack addict since he's been 18 because of it and has spent the last 16 years in and out of prison.

but im of the same view point anyhows,its not good for a small % of users(like alcohol),but its still p1ssing in the rain having it illegal.

and finally

neiphin wrote: »

would some of this be down to your own parenting skills ?

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Lab_Mouse

tbh maybe just decrimilise it,allow people 1 or 2 plants for them the to grow there own.it would remove the moral uncertainty about the government making money of a drug but fuk knows they have no problem taxing the hell out of gargle!

Laisurg

I'm glad to see more being done to legalize cannabis you're on the right track unfortunately many people are uneducated and fear cannabis because they simply don't understand it, to anyone out there who thinks that cannabis would destroy irish society if it was legalized i ask you to watch the documentary the union, not because it has medical professionals commenting on cannabis being positive but also to see how much cannabis use goes on in Canada, and yet they're not all developing mental illness' or all driving cars into walls and most importantly they're not dying, developing lung cancer or any other illness for that matter. (cannabis isn't even legal there by the way)

It's up to you to make your own decisions from there but anyone out there who has an extreme dislike of cannabis or cannabis smokers ask yourself if you've ever seen a documented study with conducted by specialists (not a GP who is simply guessing, yes it is a guess if they don't do an actual study to prove it) that suggests that cananbis is anywhere near as evil as you think it is.

sdiff

Lab_Mouse wrote: »

tbh maybe just decrimilise it,allow people 1 or 2 plants for them the to grow there own.it would remove the moral uncertainty about the government making money of a drug but fuk knows they have no problem taxing the hell out of gargle!

Decriminalizing it is basically saying "ok, maybe it's not that bad, you can use it if you keep quiet about it, but we're going to keep the profits in the hands of criminals instead of honest businessmen for reasons only we know"

paul26

In The Sticks wrote: »

I agree with Alex, a complete waste of space having these guys in here, and to think the people of Co. Roscommon elected Luke 'Ming' Flanagan as their TD, Mr. Flanagan condones the use of illegal drugs and says it's ok to smoke. such a role model, no wonder our country is where it is today, it makes me want to vomit.

Ha Ha Ha pphhhhhhhh. Go back to sleep. Thats just crazy blamed a politition for the state of the country when he was only elected a few months ago.

Legalizing cannabis can only help with the alcohol situation, marijuana is nothing like alcohol. People are always going to want to get a little drunk or a little stoned, or what ever they do and its never going to stop, we are never going to change, we never have we've been doing so since the dawn of man, and well be doing to the end of time.
So instead of making soft drugs like cannabis illegal and leave the market to the underworld criminals who contaminate weed with all kinds of toxins such as tiny shards of glass, plastic, silica sand, and other shockingly dangerous toxins in order to make marijuana weight more and generate larger profits. So I think schizophrenia is the least of our worries.

So for all the people who are arguing against legalization because they think its unsafe to use marijuana, are intact making it unsafer.

If your kid or brother or someone close you know in Ireland is smoking marijuana, their probably smoking contaminated weed or hash, which will have detrimental effects on the youth of this country, and there are still smoking it. 90% of the weed in Ireland is contaminated. The only way to stop this is to legalize it and regulate it to make it safer.

Contaminated weed is going to kill alot of people, inhailing tiny shards of glass is similar to inhaling asbestos and wont turn up for about 10 - 15 years.

neiphin

paul26 wrote: »

So instead of making soft drugs like cannabis illegal and leave the market to the underworld criminals who contaminate weed with all kinds of toxins such as tiny shards of glass, plastic, silica sand, and other shockingly dangerous toxins in order to make marijuana weight more and generate larger profits. So I think schizophrenia is the least of our worries.

So for all the people who are arguing against legalization because they think its unsafe to use marijuana, are intact making it unsafer.

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+1

Oldtree

sdiff wrote: »

And there are studies that show cannabis use alone does not cause cancer. As well as this if you're health conscious simply use a vaporizer.

Please have a look at this articulate article (I know its a blog, sorry, but it is a PHd)

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-teenage-mind/201102/does-marijuana-cause-cancer

In addition there is all kinds of garbage in weed and hash, agricultural wax to camel dung to pesticides and insecticides. Mind yourself now.

If you must smoke, use a proto pipe and clean daily with alcohol and pipe cleaners.

My point about the children drinking in the playground is that alcohol is available to them, as would dope if legalised. How many more of our youth are you prepared to ignore? I think every one of them is important and deserving of my efforts to protect from harm where I can.

I have no problem with adults doing what they want without harming anybody else and can see very clearly that having not legalised dope will lead to adults and children being lead to harder drugs through unregulated dealers, or ignorant friends. But I do not think legalisation is the route to protecting more of our children.

mikom

Oldtree wrote: »

In addition there is all kinds of garbage in weed and hash, agricultural wax to camel dung to pesticides and insecticides. Mind yourself now.

Caused by prohibition.
The solution is obvious.

Clean weed can also be vaped rather than smoked.

Oldtree

I was prompting harm minimisation as a current issue while you await legalisation. There is no such thing as clean weed. Did you read the above article?

sdiff

Oldtree wrote: »

Please have a look at this articulate article (I know its a blog, sorry, but it is a PHd)

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-teenage-mind/201102/does-marijuana-cause-cancer

In addition there is all kinds of garbage in weed and hash, agricultural wax to camel dung to pesticides and insecticides. Mind yourself now.

If you must smoke, use a proto pipe and clean daily with alcohol and pipe cleaners.

My point about the children drinking in the playground is that alcohol is available to them, as would dope if legalised. How many more of our youth are you prepared to ignore? I think every one of them is important and deserving of my efforts to protect from harm where I can.

I have no problem with adults doing what they want without harming anybody else and can see very clearly that having not legalised dope will lead to adults and children being lead to harder drugs through unregulated dealers, or ignorant friends. But I do not think legalisation is the route to protecting more of our children.

First line of the article "The greatest health danger of marijuana is due to smoking, "
No problem, the health conscious user can vaporize or cook it.
The garbage in weed is caused by it being illegal.
Your point on children - weed is also available to children. The law doesn't stop it. Children can easily go to a dealer and buy it off him - he won't ask for ID. If it were legal the dealers would go out of business. If it were legal ID would be required to purchase it. Furthermore, more damage is being done to children when it's illegal - as you say with all the adulterants that are added.

Ash.J.Williams

HarryPotter41 wrote: »

Yes, a boost in the tourist industry due to leaglizing cannibas, excellent, just what the country needs. More people off their trollies. And as I don't smoke I won't bother putting down my cigarette and please give me the links to research showing the huge amount of deaths attributed to caffeine each year.I also agree with OscarBravo on the issues relating to the work place. Any employer ( and indeed fellow employee ) has to expect people to turn up capabale of doing the work that they are paid to do, and if cannibas is legal whats to stop them having a sneaky spliff at lunchtime. Would you argue then that they are capable of doing their work fully after that?

I do not no a single professional person who would have a spilff at lunchtime..I smoke daily but wouldn't dream of it in work...it just wouldn't be possible.

mikom

Oldtree wrote: »

I was prompting harm minimisation as a current issue while you await legalisation. There is no such thing as clean weed. Did you read the above article?

I had read that article through the glory of "Google alerts" over 3 months before you posted it.
Gotta keep up with the news.

"no such thing as clean weed"
Well in that case you may as well say there is no such thing as clean sirloin steak, maple syrup, or salt.

Oldtree

I wasn't aware that sirloin steak, maple syrup, or salt were mind altering substances!!! :P

mikom

Oldtree wrote: »

I wasn't aware that sirloin steak, maple syrup, or salt were mind altering substances!!! :P

There was this one time when I had Canadian pancakes..........

saa

Aggh the amount of misspelled instances of legalise is ridiculous.

We would need more measures to prevent drugged drivers, my biggest concern would be the inability for this country to deal with anymore cases of psychiatric problems of which there would be an increase, its just the risk that goes along with this drug and we're not able to handle that.

SteelyDanJalapeno

The ignorance of the majority of people in the world is just unreal,

Go do your own unbiased research and open your minds for gods sake, i don't just mean cannabis use.

In general, don't go around believing what your told by the neighbours,

Shur jaysus, half the parents in the country give their children some form of sugar everyday, thats basically murder!

mikom

saa wrote: »

Aggh the amount of misspelled instances of legalise is ridiculous.

We would need more measures to prevent drugged drivers, my biggest concern would be the inability for this country to deal with anymore cases of psychiatric problems of which there would be an increase, its just the risk that goes along with this drug and we're not able to handle that.

Oldtree

I don't think thats a good argument, killer sugar is legal so legalize dope.:P

yop

SteelyDanJalapeno

Oldtree wrote: »

I don't think thats a good argument, killer sugar is legal so legalize dope.:P

Kinda serious though, the amount of disease based deaths(i.e. Diabetes, Obesity ) that are directly linked to sugar are in the hundreds of thousands each year,

I'm just using this a quick simple example, why is it not banned?

Oldtree

So you are suggesting that we ban obese people for their own good?
Seriously though, two wrongs dont make a right, alcohol is legal so should everything else????

mikom

Oldtree wrote: »

So you are suggesting that we ban obese people for their own good?
Seriously though, two wrongs dont make a right, alcohol is legal so should everything else????

Jailing a person for consuming parts of a plant is wrong.
How many "wrongs" are we up to now?

Oldtree

The chemical parts of a plant, not the vegetative stuff.

Its not a question of right or wrong, more one of compounding an error. look at where drink has got us. I am not against legalisation for adults but I do require many more studies and open debate before our democratic society should do so.

As mentioned above, starting points would be the equivilent of breathiliser/urine tests for drivers, strictly not for the under 18's, education in all its forms, controlled sources (growing and supply), etc.

Jailing someone for smoking dope is wrong in my opinion, jailing someone for smoking dope and driving is not!

mikom

Oldtree wrote: »

The chemical parts of a plant, not the vegetative stuff.

Go easy on the
Someone might think you are on something.

Oldtree wrote: »

Its not a question of right or wrong, more one of compounding an error. look at where drink has got us.

Look at where drink prohibition got the yanks in the 20's and 30's.
Gansterville.......... sound familiar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVuwREbGh3w

They got sense though.

Oldtree wrote: »

Jailing someone for smoking dope is wrong in my opinion, jailing someone for smoking dope and driving is not!

No argument there.

paul26

saa wrote: »

Aggh the amount of misspelled instances of legalise is ridiculous.

We would need more measures to prevent drugged drivers, my biggest concern would be the inability for this country to deal with anymore cases of psychiatric problems of which there would be an increase, its just the risk that goes along with this drug and we're not able to handle that.

Why would we need more measure to prevent drugged drivers, well not anymore than we need them now, because whether we like it or not a hughe % of the population smoke weed, as I was growing up nearly everyone I new smoked pot. And I think the toxins & contaminants that are mixed with weed on the streets will lead to far more cases of serious illness than psychiatric cases, in all my years of smoking weed I have never met anyone who had a psychiatric related to pot so the risk are not that high. There is no clear link between marijuana and psychiatric illness,

Laisurg

Oldtree wrote: »

The chemical parts of a plant, not the vegetative stuff.

Its not a question of right or wrong, more one of compounding an error. look at where drink has got us. I am not against legalisation for adults but I do require many more studies and open debate before our democratic society should do so.

As mentioned above, starting points would be the equivilent of breathiliser/urine tests for drivers, strictly not for the under 18's, education in all its forms, controlled sources (growing and supply), etc.

Jailing someone for smoking dope is wrong in my opinion, jailing someone for smoking dope and driving is not!

Canada already did all that in 2002 and were going to completely legalize it, however the US bullied them out of it because they thought people would be bringing mass amounts of it across the border.

Irishgoatman

I've been following this thread with interest and, I must admit that I'm still sitting on the fence. The only thing I have to say, and I think it will be the only comment, is that as someone said much earlier, our government has, at the moment, more important things to worry about. There are so many pieces of legislation waiting to be signed into law, but keep getting put on the long finger, that to throw another debate into the mix would not help.
An example is: I own a campervan. Due to an oversite years ago I am not required to have it tested each year (but I do).
Most of the campervans in this country are driving around without having been tested. The proposals for a test were drawn up and approved last October but are still sitting on a ministers desk waiting to be signed. This is a minor issue compared with some that are outstanding.

At the moment we have enough problems.

By the way, I have medical problems that could possibly be eased with the use of cannabis but I stick to legal, prescribed drugs.

sdiff

Irishgoatman wrote: »

I've been following this thread with interest and, I must admit that I'm still sitting on the fence. The only thing I have to say, and I think it will be the only comment, is that as someone said much earlier, our government has, at the moment, more important things to worry about. There are so many pieces of legislation waiting to be signed into law, but keep getting put on the long finger, that to throw another debate into the mix would not help.
An example is: I own a campervan. Due to an oversite years ago I am not required to have it tested each year (but I do).
Most of the campervans in this country are driving around without having been tested. The proposals for a test were drawn up and approved last October but are still sitting on a ministers desk waiting to be signed. This is a minor issue compared with some that are outstanding.

At the moment we have enough problems.

By the way, I have medical problems that could possibly be eased with the use of cannabis but I stick to legal, prescribed drugs.

I actually think it is an important piece of legislation because it's more then just Joe smoking his pot. There's also the huge criminal gangs that are funded by it being illegal, money that could be kept in honest businessmen and growers who live in Ireland.

bandit197

The amount of misinformation and non truths that are trotted out again and again whenever this argument comes up never fails to amaze me.

The first step that we need to take as a country is to decriminalise all controlled substances.

Portugal done just that in 2001 and, ten years later, we can now examine the data and establish if it has worked. The results show:

• Addiction levels to hard drugs have declined dramatically
• Portugal's approach has led to a significant drop in drug-related crimes
• Following decriminalization, Portugal had the lowest rate of lifetime marijuana use in people over 15 in the E.U.: 10%....proportionally, more Americans have used cocaine than Portuguese have used marijuana.
• New HIV infections in drug users fell by 17% between 1999 and 2003, and deaths related to heroin and similar drugs were cut by more than half.
• Portugal has not become a haven for "drug tourism" as was initially feared by some who opposed the plan.

Health experts in Portugal said on Friday that Portugal's decision 10 years ago to decriminalise drug use and treat addicts rather than punishing them is an experiment that has worked.

"There is no doubt that the phenomenon of addiction is in decline in Portugal," said Joao Goulao, President of the Institute of Drugs and Drugs Addiction, a press conference to mark the 10th anniversary of the law.
http://www.france24.com/en/20110701-portugal-drug-law-show-results-ten-years-experts-say

I have attached a white paper produced by the Cato Institute in 2009 to this post. Please take the time to read it. It explores all of the above in greater detail.

There is no longer a real argument against decriminalisation. It costs less to treat, inform and educate users than it does to prosecute them. Numbers of users decline and the general health of the nation improves. This has been proven in Portugal's case.

Individuals who are against decriminalisation in this country are, in effect, contributing to Ireland's drug problems.

Ignoring the problem wont make it go away.

Irishgoatman

bandit197 wrote: »

The amount of misinformation and non truths that are trotted out again and again whenever this argument comes up never fails to amaze me.

The first step that we need to take as a country is to decriminalize all controlled substances.

Portugal done just that in 2001 and, ten years later, we can now examine the data and establish if it has worked. The results show:

• Addiction levels to hard drugs have declined dramatically
• Portugal's approach has led to a significant drop in drug-related crimes
• Following decriminalization, Portugal had the lowest rate of lifetime marijuana use in people over 15 in the E.U.: 10%....proportionally, more Americans have used cocaine than Portuguese have used marijuana.
• New HIV infections in drug users fell by 17% between 1999 and 2003, and deaths related to heroin and similar drugs were cut by more than half.
• Portugal has not become a haven for "drug tourism" as was initially feared by some who opposed the plan.

I have attached a white paper produced by the Cato Institute in 2009 to this post. Please take the time to read it. It explores all of the above in greater detail.

There is no longer a real argument against decriminalisation. It costs less to treat, inform and educate users than it does to prosecute them. Numbers of users decline and the general health of the nation improves. This has been proven in Portugal's case.

Individuals who are against decriminalisation in this country are, in effect, contributing to Ireland's drug problems.

Ignoring the problem wont make it go away.

2 very interesting articles linked here. Well worth reading thanks to bandit197.

I see no problem with decriminalisation, it's just legalisation that I am not too sure or happy about

charlemont

shebafay wrote: »

TO THE OP. MY EXPERIENCE OF THE MEDICAL EFFECTS OF CANNABIS DIFFERS TO YOUR THEORIES. MY BROTHER, RIP, DEVELOPED SCHIZOPHRENIA 10 YEARS AGO FROM USING IT AND SUBSEQUENTLY TOOK HIS OWN LIFE. MY SON HAS JUST RETURNED FROM A 6 MONTH STAY IN A PSYCHIATRIC HOSPITAL FOR TREATMENT FOR DRUG INDUCED PSYCHOSIS, SECONDARY TO CANNABIS USE. HE NOW HAS A LOWER THAN AVERAGE IQ AS HE WAS SMOKING IT FROM AGE 15 (AGAINST MY KNOWLEDGE). SO, I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE CAMPAIGN TO LEGALISE CANNABIS, AND INDEED IF NEED BE, I WILL BE ORGANISING MY OWN PROTEST TO MAKE SURE IT REMAINS A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE. HOW IN THE NAME OF GOD IT WOULD BENEFIT THE OLDER GENERATION TO LEGALISE CANNABIS BEATS ME.....


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And, Im sure if he was on the drink the same would have happened...

paul26

Oldtree wrote: »

The chemical parts of a plant, not the vegetative stuff.

Its not a question of right or wrong, more one of compounding an error. look at where drink has got us. I am not against legalisation for adults but I do require many more studies and open debate before our democratic society should do so.

As mentioned above, starting points would be the equivilent of breathiliser/urine tests for drivers, strictly not for the under 18's, education in all its forms, controlled sources (growing and supply), etc.

Jailing someone for smoking dope is wrong in my opinion, jailing someone for smoking dope and driving is not!

When you keep talking about smoking and driving it doesn't make sense to me. Just because its legalized doesn't mean more people will smoke it. Infact as bandit197 pointed out in Portugal less people smoked it since it was de-criminalized. So when your talking about methods of testing drivers, well we actually need them just as much now, because as the Portugal case proves when decriminalized less people will smoke it. Portugal I think by making it legal it will easier to make laws and testing to stop people driving and make it more of a crime. I think because its illegal people drive around stoned because its not seen as bad as drink driving because most people wont even know your stoned.

paul26

No matter what any body can say against the legalization and all the illness that it can cause, you just need to add up which is going to have a worse effect all the mental illness caused by marijuana which from my point of view from been a smoker and knowing alot of smokers, it is very very rare, or all the toxins and chemicals that gansters contaminate the marijuana to bulk up the weight of the marijuana.
Its not a hard one really, breathing in shards of glass, silica sand, plastic, wall plaster, etc.
90% of marijuana in this country is contaminated, in the years to come a lot of the youth today is going to die from or be seriously ill from this, way more people than which are going to die or be seriously ill from 100% clean marijuana. Research silica sand it causes lung cancer very similar to abspetos, the stuff is lethal when inhaled. And the worst thing is that this is not stopping people smoking it. We would protect people from food contamination or other things alike.

Please people think of the future of our kids, because if we don't legalize it now, the contamination is going to get worse, and marijuana will start killing people.

Mance Rayder

The majority of my peers who began smoking weed in their teens and still smoke are now either completely brain dead idiots (The kind who repeat themselves over and over like an alco does) or paranoid out of their minds, or both.

One thing I learned from these people is, they will never ever say a bad word about weed/hash etc. They will however readily blame everyone else on their shortcomings.

There is a strong connection between Scangers/Scumbaggery and weed/hash use. Try and tell me there is not. I've lived in dodgey areas all my life and it all revolves around weed and hash. Stoners here will laugh at it but weed/Hash has stolen the lives/Slashed the potential of many good and bright young people in this country.

Amsterdam is not a good example, It's a hell hole of a city full of crime, illegal drugs, vagrants, prostitution both legal and illigal, where extreme sexual perversions are celebrated. Walking around Amsterdam you will be offered more coke and E by dealers then would ever happen here. So the argument that legalisation would reduce the presence of harder drugs on the streets is BS.

Government can legalise it and tax the S**T out of it for all I care, but don't expect Ireland to be a nicer place because of it.

bandit197

CiscoStudent wrote: »

The majority of my peers who began smoking weed in their teens and still smoke are now either completely brain dead idiots (The kind who repeat themselves over and over like an alco does) or paranoid out of their minds, or both.

One thing I learned from these people is, they will never ever say a bad word about weed/hash etc. They will however readily blame everyone else on their shortcomings.

There is a strong connection between Scangers/Scumbaggery and weed/hash use. Try and tell me there is not. I've lived in dodgey areas all my life and it all revolves around weed and hash. Stoners here will laugh at it but weed/Hash has stolen the lives/Slashed the potential of many good and bright young people in this country.

Amsterdam is not a good example, It's a hell hole of a city full of crime, illegal drugs, vagrants, prostitution both legal and illigal, where extreme sexual perversions are celebrated. Walking around Amsterdam you will be offered more coke and E by dealers then would ever happen here. So the argument that legalisation would reduce the presence of harder drugs on the streets is BS.

Drugs are not legal in Holland.

What exactly has prostitution and as you put it "extreme sexual perversions" got to do with this argument?

Mance Rayder

paul26 wrote: »

Research silica sand it causes lung cancer very similar to abspetos, the stuff is lethal when inhaled. And the worst thing is that this is not stopping people smoking it. We would protect people from food contamination or other things alike.

It doesnt stop people from smoking it because it is addictive and makes people stupid.
The government protects people from food contamination. Not from the possible perils of illegal substance abuse..

bandit197

CiscoStudent wrote: »

It doesnt stop people from smoking it because it is addictive and makes people stupid.
The government protects people from food contamination. Not from the possible perils of illegal substance abuse..

I suspect that you are a troll because if you have educated yourself in any way on the subject you would know that cannabis is not an addictive substance.

Mance Rayder

bandit197 wrote: »

Drugs are not legal in Holland.

What exactly has prostitution and as you put it "extreme sexual perversions" got to do with this argument?

Firstly, and I understand you may not of noticed in between tokes, but I didn't say drugs were legal.

Amsterdam has been bandied about as a good example by potheads and I was pointing out that its a Sh*tHole that we should not be attempting to emulate.

Mance Rayder

bandit197 wrote: »

I suspect that you are a troll because if you have educated yourself in any way on the subject you would know that cannabis is not an addictive substance.

I smoked weed for 3 years and quit when I copped on. It is mentally addictive and this is well accepted. Take the weed away from some stoners for a week or two and watch them suffer. Nicotine is gone out of a persons system a few days after quitting, yet smokers can suffer for a year or more from cravings caused by the mental addiction.

I am not a troll, just because I am not here singing the praises of weed does not make me a troll.

bandit197

CiscoStudent wrote: »

just because I am not here singing the praises of weed does not make me a troll.

If you had took the time to read my posts in this thread you would realise that I too am not singing the praises of weed either.

Do you support decriminalisation or do you believe we should continue on as we are with our heads in the sand?

yop

I've already warned people on this thread that you are flying very close to the edge.

2 warnings handed out to Bandit and Ciscostudent for personal abuse.

No more warnings now on this thread. Bans will be next.

Regards

paul26

CiscoStudent wrote: »

There is a strong connection between Scangers/Scumbaggery and weed/hash use. Try and tell me there is not.

.

Yes that is the whole point just incase you missed it, were trying to legalize weed/hash, to break the connection between scumbags and weed/hash. Did you read any of the posts, or did u just decide to bust in and shout out your point without hearing the argument.

Very quick to say stoners are complete dopes, when thats just what you think of them, your opinnion. Not everyone wants to be a perfect pillar of society like your self who never stutters, or has to think about what your going to say.

Personally im the kind of person who would rather listen to a person stutter and take there time in what there saying rather than talk about something they didnt even have the time to listen to the conversation.

champski

shebafay wrote: »

TO THE OP. MY EXPERIENCE OF THE MEDICAL EFFECTS OF CANNABIS DIFFERS TO YOUR THEORIES. MY BROTHER, RIP, DEVELOPED SCHIZOPHRENIA 10 YEARS AGO FROM USING IT AND SUBSEQUENTLY TOOK HIS OWN LIFE. MY SON HAS JUST RETURNED FROM A 6 MONTH STAY IN A PSYCHIATRIC HOSPITAL FOR TREATMENT FOR DRUG INDUCED PSYCHOSIS, SECONDARY TO CANNABIS USE. HE NOW HAS A LOWER THAN AVERAGE IQ AS HE WAS SMOKING IT FROM AGE 15 (AGAINST MY KNOWLEDGE). SO, I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE CAMPAIGN TO LEGALISE CANNABIS, AND INDEED IF NEED BE, I WILL BE ORGANISING MY OWN PROTEST TO MAKE SURE IT REMAINS A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE. HOW IN THE NAME OF GOD IT WOULD BENEFIT THE OLDER GENERATION TO LEGALISE CANNABIS BEATS ME.....


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Maybe it's genetic and not cannabis related

champski

I used to enjoy a smoke in my younger days(still do occasionally) and it never did me any harm. I was on a national martial arts squad and held a 4 nations belt in another discipline so it didn't rob me of my ambition or drive. When did ya ever hear of a guy having a smoke and knocking someones teeth out, personally, never. When did ya ever hear of a guy having a fist of drink and knocking someones teeth out, answer, every weekend in every town in the country

PogMoThoin

Terrible modding tbh, I see no offensive posts from either party, WTF? Its a discussion FFS, there are lots of valid points and lots of opinions, nothing worth warning over.

mikom

CiscoStudent wrote: »

The majority of my peers who began smoking weed in their teens and still smoke are now either completely brain dead idiots (The kind who repeat themselves over and over like an alco does) or paranoid out of their minds, or both.

One thing I learned from these people is, they will never ever say a bad word about weed/hash etc. They will however readily blame everyone else on their shortcomings.

Correlation does not imply causation.
"The more firemen fighting a fire, the bigger the fire is observed to be.
Therefore firemen cause fire."
Look it up.

Your friends may have been fuck ups from year dot and simply used cannabis as a coping tool............ if not cannabis then alcohol............ if not alcohol then liquorice allsorts.
Yourself proclaimed "dodgy area" may cause people to cope with it in different ways.

CiscoStudent wrote: »

There is a strong connection between Scangers/Scumbaggery and weed/hash use.

See prohibition in the USA during the 20's and 30's.
I'm sure old Ma clampet was heard to utter "There is a strong connection between Scangers/Scumbaggery and bootleg liquor use.

CiscoStudent wrote: »

Amsterdam is not a good example,

Try Portugal........ it's been mentioned and backed up by stats a few times in this thread already.
Any problem with that set up?

CiscoStudent wrote: »

Government can legalise it and tax the S**T out of it for all I care, but don't expect Ireland to be a nicer place because of it.

Will it make you any angrier?

CiscoStudent wrote: »

I smoked weed for 3 years and quit when I copped on. It is mentally addictive and this is well accepted. Take the weed away from some stoners for a week or two and watch them suffer. Nicotine is gone out of a persons system a few days after quitting, yet smokers can suffer for a year or more from cravings caused by the mental addiction.

See Highlighted word.
Can't say I ever suffered like you.
You still suffering?

yop

PogMoThoin wrote: »

Terrible modding tbh, I see no offensive posts from either party, WTF? Its a discussion FFS, there are lots of valid points and lots of opinions, nothing worth warning over.

Back seat modding also incurs a ban..... also is using offensive language.

Leave the modding to the mods, you obviously don't understand the rules. :cool:

Oh_Noes

mikom wrote: »

See Highlighted word.
Can't say I ever suffered like you.
You still suffering?

I've been around a lot of people who've stopped too and never seen anything like this. I've seen people quit smoking cigarettes and it had a noticable effect on them, the two aren't comparable at all. I've quit smoking cigarettes and it was tough going with lots of side effects, yet I take several months breaks from weed and have never had anything noticable.

The most suffering I've had or seen was the same as the suffering I feel because I'm not a millionaire or because I'm not a rockstar. "Lamenting" might be better term than "suffering" in this instance.