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Anyone doing French, do ye think for the oral it's ok to go a little off the question in your answers to the examiners' questions? For example : Just say the examiner asks me if the problem with the environment is a big problem today. I would agree, and then would I go straight into saying what we should do to fight against the problem/who to put the blame on, without her actually asking the question? :P That's usually my problem, I usually go straight into it going from "Oui, c'est un probleme croissant de nos jours. Il y a beaucoup de gens qui ne respectent pas l'environnement. Tout d'abord, on doit ... Il faut que le gouvernement doit ... "
Do ye think I'd be better off just saying that 2/3 lines that it is a big problem and why, or else going straight into it and saying who to put the blame on/what to do now/ etc ?
Any advice on this sort of issue would be helpful
I'd say make sure you answer her question, then naturally lead onto how to resolve it. For example above there, you don't really have a link between a lot of people not respecting the environment and how to resolve it. Say what you're saying, but after 'Il y a beacoup...' I'd say something like 'Il faut absolument résoudre ce probleme, il y a beacoup de trucs qu'on pourrait faire, par exemple...' and then fire ahead.
So basically answering her question, straying a bit but at the same time still staying relatively true to the question because you've veered off in a natural way, rather than a way you've learned. Also as a general rule, I'd say keep talking about anything until they stop you/make it clear they're ready to ask a question or until you come to a natural conclusion, I don't think it's a good idea to finish up and sit awkwardly waiting for the examiner to ask the next question, unless you've actually ended it yourself in a way that they understand to be the end (if possible, end it with a prompt for something else you'd quite like to be asked). Gah sorry this makes no sense at all! :P
EDIT: saying something like 'C'est du moins mon opinion' and the like is a good way of bringing something to a nice conclusion!0 -
Anyone doing French, do ye think for the oral it's ok to go a little off the question in your answers to the examiners' questions? For example : Just say the examiner asks me if the problem with the environment is a big problem today. I would agree, and then would I go straight into saying what we should do to fight against the problem/who to put the blame on, without her actually asking the question? :P That's usually my problem, I usually go straight into it going from "Oui, c'est un probleme croissant de nos jours. Il y a beaucoup de gens qui ne respectent pas l'environnement. Tout d'abord, on doit ... Il faut que le gouvernement doit ... "
Do ye think I'd be better off just saying that 2/3 lines that it is a big problem and why, or else going straight into it and saying who to put the blame on/what to do now/ etc ?
Any advice on this sort of issue would be helpful
Firstly they'll never ask you directly out of the blue if the environment is a big problem, you'd have to have really been hinting towards it and touching off it, otherwise (s)he will ask you a much.more open ended question like "What do you think is the biggest problem nowadays?" And so you'd have much more freedom in how you answer it, realistically though, they won't care how you answer it, why its a big problem or what we need to do first, as long as you're showing good French and its somewhat connected to the answer. In fact it's in ways a good thing that you would go onto what we should do without prompting, really when they ask a question just keep talking, if they ask you do you like the school, list out the reasons why, then say why not, you can even start going on about the facilities and the rules
The whole keeping to the question asked isn't very much a big deal as it is in the written, in fact in the marking scheme under communication ,they look for ability to Develop a topic, which you're doing!0 -
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What is claoninsint?
The Claoninsint is indirect speech for example
"Bhí an aimsir go maith" arsa Seán is direct speech
but the Claoninsint is
"dúirt Seán go raibh an aimsir go maith"
I'm surprised that even figure, I always assumed it was only a small thing that you;d be sort of expected to know!0 -
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I was seriously considering the possibility that that might be accurate as written, yanno! :pac:fewtinsoffroth wrote: »Ahh feck off
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I'd say make sure you answer her question, then naturally lead onto how to resolve it. For example above there, you don't really have a link between a lot of people not respecting the environment and how to resolve it. Say what you're saying, but after 'Il y a beacoup...' I'd say something like 'Il faut absolument résoudre ce probleme, il y a beacoup de trucs qu'on pourrait faire, par exemple...' and then fire ahead.
So basically answering her question, straying a bit but at the same time still staying relatively true to the question because you've veered off in a natural way, rather than a way you've learned. Also as a general rule, I'd say keep talking about anything until they stop you/make it clear they're ready to ask a question or until you come to a natural conclusion, I don't think it's a good idea to finish up and sit awkwardly waiting for the examiner to ask the next question, unless you've actually ended it yourself in a way that they understand to be the end (if possible, end it with a prompt for something else you'd quite like to be asked). Gah sorry this makes no sense at all! :P
EDIT: saying something like 'C'est du moins mon opinion' and the like is a good way of bringing something to a nice conclusion!Eurovisionmad wrote: »Firstly they'll never ask you directly out of the blue if the environment is a big problem, you'd have to have really been hinting towards it and touching off it, otherwise (s)he will ask you a much.more open ended question like "What do you think is the biggest problem nowadays?" And so you'd have much more freedom in how you answer it, realistically though, they won't care how you answer it, why its a big problem or what we need to do first, as long as you're showing good French and its somewhat connected to the answer. In fact it's in ways a good thing that you would go onto what we should do without prompting, really when they ask a question just keep talking, if they ask you do you like the school, list out the reasons why, then say why not, you can even start going on about the facilities and the rules
The whole keeping to the question asked isn't very much a big deal as it is in the written, in fact in the marking scheme under communication ,they look for ability to Develop a topic, which you're doing!
Thanks for yer answers! I just gave an example of environment because that's what my document is on! But just say I kept talking until she interrupted me, would it not sound like a learned-off rant? I don't want to come off that I've learned this big large paragraph and I'm going to use it whatever question. I suppose she'll interrupt me if she thinks I've it all learned off and ask me a new question? 0 -
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11Charlie11 wrote: »Anyone know of any good phrases to use in the oral for the sraith pictiurs? I remember seeing one for 'timpiste san ionad eachtraiochta' but of course i didnt write it down and have an oral tomorrow
Bhí siad sásta tosu laithreach baill mar thuig siad an seanfhocal "tus maith leath na hoibre" - They were happy to start immediately as they understood the seanfhocal "a good start is half the battle"
Bhí siad dóchasach go mbeidís in ann an (duais) a fháil - They were hopeful that they would get the (prize)
Thuig sé ar an bpointe boise go raibh a phort seinnte - He understood immediately that the game was up
Thug an muinteoir ídé béil dó - The teacher gave out to him
Ní raibh fúithi ná tháirstí ach ... (e.g an sliabh a dreapú) - Their hearts were set on ... (e.g climbing the mountain)
Thuig siad go raibh toradh maith ar a gcuid oibre agus go raibh taithi iontach faighte acu - They understood that there was a good result for their work
Gan amhras, sin lá/ócáid nach ndeanfaidís dearmad ar riamh - Without a doubt, this is a day/occasion they would never forget.
They are just a few that can be used in many of the pictures :P0 -
Thank you so much!!Bhí siad sásta tosu laithreach baill mar thuig siad an seanfhocal "tus maith leath na hoibre" - They were happy to start immediately as they understood the seanfhocal "a good start is half the battle"
Bhí siad dóchasach go mbeidís in ann an (duais) a fháil - They were hopeful that they would get the (prize)
Thuig sé ar an bpointe boise go raibh a phort seinnte - He understood immediately that the game was up
Thug an muinteoir ídé béil dó - The teacher gave out to him
Ní raibh fúithi ná tháirstí ach ... (e.g an sliabh a dreapú) - Their hearts were set on ... (e.g climbing the mountain)
Thuig siad go raibh toradh maith ar a gcuid oibre agus go raibh taithi iontach faighte acu - They understood that there was a good result for their work
Gan amhras, sin lá/ócáid nach ndeanfaidís dearmad ar riamh - Without a doubt, this is a day/occasion they would never forget.
They are just a few that can be used in many of the pictures :P 0 -
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Thanks for yer answers! I just gave an example of environment because that's what my document is on! But just say I kept talking until she interrupted me, would it not sound like a learned-off rant? I don't want to come off that I've learned this big large paragraph and I'm going to use it whatever question. I suppose she'll interrupt me if she thinks I've it all learned off and ask me a new question?
Well with the document regardless its sort of a given that it'll be learned off. Really though its swings and roundabouts, okay if you drone away this long paragraph yeah you will lose marks l, but the majority of people who get high marks in French and aren't native speakers, will have very extensive notes prepared it's a matter of how they present it, if you present it properly and put real emphasis and hand movements, it can look like it's off the top of your head and be a fantastic mark earner. But like if you strictly only answer his/her question, with limited scope, you may lose marks because (s)he has to keep on prompting you. I think though at the end of the the day its all about striking a balance between the two schools of thought, yes going on when it makes good sense, like what you need yo do to fix the environment which goes hand in hand with is it a big problem, and also at times knowing when to stop and leave him/her ask a another question.0 -
Eurovisionmad wrote: »Well with the document regardless its sort of a given that it'll be learned off. Really though its swings and roundabouts, okay if you drone away this long paragraph yeah you will lose marks l, but the majority of people who get high marks in French and aren't native speakers, will have very extensive notes prepared it's a matter of how they present it, if you present it properly and put real emphasis and hand movements, it can look like it's off the top of your head and be a fantastic mark earner. But like if you strictly only answer his/her question, with limited scope, you may lose marks because (s)he has to keep on prompting you. I think though at the end of the the day its all about striking a balance between the two schools of thought, yes going on when it makes good sense, like what you need yo do to fix the environment which goes hand in hand with is it a big problem, and also at times knowing when to stop and leave him/her ask a another question.
Thanks a million, I understand yeah! I completely agree with this, one of my friends was just saying that going off the question a little bit (like with the environment example) shouldn't be done, but I disagree! The examiner will have the opportunity to stop me anyways if she thinks I'm saying to much. But yeah, I hold the same view "Don't stop talking if what you're saying is relevant until the examiner stops you" ! 0 -
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Maybe it's not Wednesday it was a date I think I just assumed, NUIM it's next week I believe anyway!
I thought their applications have been open since sometime in November?
But anyway \o/ NUIM
Woooooo weekend!
Boooooo orals
From what I can see, it looks like my Amazon order has been dispatched and estimated delivery is Wednesday. Should be nice after having the French oral on Wednesday.0 -
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What day are everyone's orals starting and which subject?
I've French Monday. I'm glad to be getting it over with early in the week, have a full week and a half to study for Irish then! :P
I'm nervous about French, but I'm not dreading it as it would be my best subject. I'm just hoping I don't mess it up!0 -
Ive my Irish Wednesday! Slightly terrified, I think the comhra should be okay and Im as happy as I will be about my poems but the srath pictuirs..
Like some are fine and I should get on alright with them, but theres certain ones if Im asked... 0 -
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Yeah I have French either Tuesday or Wednesday and Irish the following Thursday/Friday, ugh I'd really rather get them both over with as early as possible. My Irish should be grand provided I don't freak out and as for French, ehhh we'll see. Kinda wish I had Irish first 'cos it's definitely the one I feel the most confident about and I can't see messing up my French oral being good for me. We'll see I guess. 0
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