GSP V Diaz UFC137

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U wanted it! U GOT IT!!! GSP vs DIAZ Oct 29th UFC 137 at Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas.

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U wanted it! U GOT IT!!! GSP vs DIAZ Oct 29th UFC 137 at Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas.
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@danawhite Dana White

U wanted it! U GOT IT!!! GSP vs DIAZ Oct 29th UFC 137 at Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas.

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good work lads haha.

I'll wait for the merge before start commenting.

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good work lads haha!

welchy

I hope to god that Diaz wont respect GSP as much and Shields and Koscheck did, and actually go after him a bit. Trying to counter punch with GSP is never going to work. Diaz might be the guy to put GSP under some pressure for the first time in ages. I hope...

Huge advantage for Diaz in that Shields went before him. Should be an awesome fight.

weemcd

3 threads already. This is a perfect foil to all the talk around here of 'ufc no longer making competitive matchups' this is in the top 5 of current fights that should be made.

weemcd

weemcd wrote: »

3 threads already. This is a perfect foil to all the talk around here of 'ufc no longer making competitive matchups' this is in the top 5 of current fights that should be made.

Yeah exactly. Both fighters in their prime imho, great match up while the division sorts out it's next contenders. BJ, Fitch, Story, Ellenberger, Macdonald, Condit/Kim and Johnson all need to face each other and we'll see who gets to face the champ next.

Xlami

So happy, cannot wait to see Georges prove once again he is the greatest WW of all time. Diaz will make for such an exciting fight. Gonna threaten Georges on his feet and off of his back. Hon DW, and Munchkin man Joe Silva. Well done.

calex71

Awww such a long time away and it's not Anderson Silva V GSP :mad:


Anyway to play the odd's game the majority of Diaz's losses have come from decisions and wins from KO sub.

Whats the odds on him doing either of those to GSP and GSP not getting a decision win

Much as I respect GSP I dislike him as much as I do diaz , that said if ever there was a person I could pick to get one over on GSP it would be Diaz :pac:

5 months out predicting a GSP decision win.

weemcd

Diaz showed a killer instinct in getting Daley out so quick, even Koschek didn't come close. GSP is a completely different animal to Daley however.

irishdownhiller

really hope diaz gets this, but im not getting my hopes up too much!

Mellor

no real need to merge, all three have the same comments
Nice to get the threads up instantly though guys

fightireland

Should be a great fight - is it GSPs toughest fight so far?

DrPhilG

Never mind the fight, what does this mean for the future of Strikeforce?

Apparently Diaz has a new contract that allows him to fight in both organisations but his coach has said that the only way he'll be back in SF is if he loses in the UFC.

vangoz

I just came here to post news....... anyway hope this comes to fruition!! Diaz is the one guy at ww that will really bring it GSP, and in a 5 round fight Diaz should have enough time to work subs if GSP desides to wrestle this one out "a la alves, hardy"

seadnamac

fightireland wrote: »

Should be a great fight - is it GSPs toughest fight so far?

I am the only one who doesn't see what the deal is about Nick Diaz? He has a record full of wins against mediocre fighters. If he wasn't so brash and colourful he wouldn't get half the attention. I understand that will sell the fight sure, but GSP has had many tougher fights than this.

vangoz

seadnamac wrote: »

I am the only one who doesn't see what the deal is about Nick Diaz? He has a record full of wins against mediocre fighters. If he wasn't so brash and colourful he wouldn't get half the attention. I understand that will sell the fight sure, but GSP has had many tougher fights than this.

Have you watched him fight or just looked at his record?

Fall_Guy

I think Diaz is a great fighter but he has lost to less effective wrestlers than GSP in the past, and I still don't think his wrestling has improved enough to be able to keep the fight standing. I know he is good off his back but I feel that GSP will have enough ability to punish Diaz from the top without giving up position or getting caught in a submission.

I can't see past a decision or cut-stoppage victory for GSP.

Sean Quagmire

GSP via wet blanket

vangoz

Fall_Guy wrote: »

I think Diaz is a great fighter but he has lost to less effective wrestlers than GSP in the past, and I still don't think his wrestling has improved enough to be able to keep the fight standing. I know he is good off his back but I feel that GSP will have enough ability to punish Diaz from the top without giving up position or getting caught in a submission.

I can't see past a decision or cut-stoppage victory for GSP.

I think its fair to say his jits and working from his back has got better from 5 years ago. Also its a five round fight not 3 like the previous ones, so he'll have lots more time to work subs from his back..... also has GSP faught in the gaurd of a renowed BJJ guy not named BJ penn? + I cant remember BJ subbing anyone from his back.

GSP can take him down at will if he wants cause Diaz's wrestling will never stuff a good take down artist.

Its a dangerous fight for GSP were ever it takes place, and I just cant see GSP finishing diaz either.

Oh_Noes

seadnamac wrote: »

I am the only one who doesn't see what the deal is about Nick Diaz?

Yes.

seadnamac

vangoz wrote: »

Have you watched him fight or just looked at his record?

Both. Why? Don't tell me, you were about to dismiss me as some sort of a UFC fanboy? Has Diaz fought anywhere near the level of competition that GSP has fought? Or even the level of competition that some of GSP's recent opponents have fought?

I think some people are so desperate to see GSP lose, or even be involved in just a really close fight, they can get a bit carried away. Only a few months ago Jake Shields was supposed to be his biggest test yet...I don't see Diaz as being at the same level as the likes of Penn or Fitch or even Koscheck, so I don't see him posing that much of a threat.

Fall_Guy

vangoz wrote: »

I think its fair to say his jits and working from his back has got better from 5 years ago. Also its a five round fight not 3 like the previous ones, so he'll have lots more time to work subs from his back..... also has GSP faught in the gaurd of a renowed BJJ guy not named BJ penn? + I cant remember BJ subbing anyone from his back.

GSP can take him down at will if he wants cause Diaz's wrestling will never stuff a good take down artist.

Its a dangerous fight for GSP were ever it takes place, and I just cant see GSP finishing diaz either.

I just don't see GSP giving Diaz the sort of openings that will allow him to catch him with a sub off his back. He seems to have a very good ground game himself, mainly focusing on obtaining positions of dominance and looking for ways to work through strikes or subs that don't leave him open to giving up that dominant position. He's a very smart, high percentage fighter on the ground.

Obviously that's not to say Diaz couldn't catch him, I just don't think its the most likely outcome. Like I said, I'm expecting a points victory for GSP or Diaz being stopped due to a cut.

Mellor

DrPhilG wrote: »

Never mind the fight, what does this mean for the future of Strikeforce?

Apparently Diaz has a new contract that allows him to fight in both organisations but his coach has said that the only way he'll be back in SF is if he loses in the UFC.

Meh, I wouldn't have a lot of faith in his coaches opinion, i took that as "he's going tio win, he'll stay in the UFC with the belt"

Dana and co. will keep him where he makes the msot money.

My prediction, he loses and returns to SF, with the belt intact as I can't see GSP holding both, or will he?

golfman

GSP to win by decision in 5 rounds is usually like buying money. I know for a fact I'll be reinvesting some of my previous winnings on that!

Tito Ortiz

golfman wrote: »

GSP to win by decision in 5 rounds is usually like buying money. I know for a fact I'll be reinvesting some of my previous winnings on that!

Im a massive Diaz fan and think this is a very dangerous fight for GSP but how much pressure will he be put under the finish this fight ? He's just stopped 1 of his last 5 fights and if it's another snooze fest how much pressure will he be under then ?

I really like GSP too but his last few fights espically Shields were horrible to watch and i think this plays into Diaz's hands.

golfman

Tito Ortiz wrote: »

Im a massive Diaz fan and think this is a very dangerous fight for GSP but how much pressure will he be put under the finish this fight ? He's just stopped 1 of his last 5 fights and if it's another snooze fest how much pressure will he be under then ?

I really like GSP too but his last few fights espically Shields were horrible to watch and i think this plays into Diaz's hands.

You make a very good point but I don't think that bothers him. He hasn't properly finished a fight in 3 years and he's been under pressure to finish a fight for a while. I don't think he cares that much about his popularity - he just gets the job done in a clever manner and consequently has turned into a boring fighter to watch. Luckily we don't have to PPV!

vangoz

seadnamac wrote: »

Both. Why? Don't tell me, you were about to dismiss me as some sort of a UFC fanboy? Has Diaz fought anywhere near the level of competition that GSP has fought? Or even the level of competition that some of GSP's recent opponents have fought?

I think some people are so desperate to see GSP lose, or even be involved in just a really close fight, they can get a bit carried away. Only a few months ago Jake Shields was supposed to be his biggest test yet...I don't see Diaz as being at the same level as the likes of Penn or Fitch or even Koscheck, so I don't see him posing that much of a threat.

UFC fanboy, fanboy isnt in my vocabulary - never used the term.
The only threat shields posed was on the ground and everyone knew he hadnt a chance of getting it there. All of GSP's recent oppnents were very 1 dimensional and timid, Diaz poses problems from his back and on the feet, has great chin and really good cardio + he looks to finish fights and has done in his last two outings.
I wouldnt be desperate to see GSP lose, he's a great fighter, I just want to see him in a challenging fight.

Tito Ortiz

vangoz wrote: »

UFC fanboy, fanboy isnt in my vocabulary - never used the term.
The only threat shields posed was on the ground and everyone knew he hadnt a chance of getting it there. All of GSP's recent oppnents were very 1 dimensional and timid, Diaz poses problems from his back and on the feet, has great chin and really good cardio + he looks to finish fights and has done in his last two outings.
I wouldnt be desperate to see GSP lose, he's a great fighter, I just want to see him in a challenging fight.

I agree, GSP has no confidence in his chin since the Serra fight and will want to take Diaz down quick. The UFC built the Shields fight for PPV sales only. This is the biggest fight he has ever fought as Diaz can KO him and stay with him on the ground. Diaz need to come out flying and go for the KO or put GSP on his back !!

Fall_Guy

Tito Ortiz wrote: »

I agree, GSP has no confidence in his chin since the Serra fight and will want to take Diaz down quick. The UFC built the Shields fight for PPV sales only. This is the biggest fight he has ever fought as Diaz can KO him and stay with him on the ground. Diaz need to come out flying and go for the KO or put GSP on his back !!

That's the problem, i don't think Diaz can KO him or put him on his back. While Diaz is a much better striker than Serra, Serra has much better one-punch power. Diaz would have to land a large number of strikes to take GSP out, and I think GSP will be able to put Diaz on his back if he doesn't feel comfortable standing with him.

Diaz is probably as worthy of a shot as anyone, but I still don't think he has enough to beat GSP (or the likes of Fitch or Story for that matter).

seadnamac

vangoz wrote: »

UFC fanboy, fanboy isnt in my vocabulary - never used the term.

Apologies, I got ahead of myself.

The only threat shields posed was on the ground and everyone knew he hadnt a chance of getting it there. All of GSP's recent oppnents were very 1 dimensional and timid, Diaz poses problems from his back and on the feet, has great chin and really good cardio + he looks to finish fights and has done in his last two outings.
I wouldnt be desperate to see GSP lose, he's a great fighter, I just want to see him in a challenging fight.

I think GSP makes fighters look like that. I wouldn't call fighters like Dan Hardy or Thiago Alves timid and I wouldn't call Penn or Koscheck one dimensional.

Tito Ortiz wrote: »

I agree, GSP has no confidence in his chin since the Serra fight and will want to take Diaz down quick. The UFC built the Shields fight for PPV sales only. This is the biggest fight he has ever fought as Diaz can KO him and stay with him on the ground. Diaz need to come out flying and go for the KO or put GSP on his back !!

So could Penn and Koscheck supposedly. I really have no idea how you could rate Diaz's chances any greater than theirs to call it his biggest fight ever.

Its going to be a great fight but i didnt want it, yet !

vangoz

seadnamac wrote: »

Apologies, I got ahead of myself.



I think GSP makes fighters look like that. I wouldn't call fighters like Dan Hardy or Thiago Alves timid and I wouldn't call Penn or Koscheck one dimensional.



So could Penn and Koscheck supposedly. I really have no idea how you could rate Diaz's chances any greater than theirs to call it his biggest fight ever.

No bother man ha

Yeah I agree wouldnt usually call them timid fighters, its just that they knew they had such gaping holes in the ground game they didnt want to commit to strikes which made them timid in their respective fights with gsp.

Penn isnt one dimensional as much as the others, but very small for gsp + the wrestling on top of that. BJ has great sweeps from bottom, but doesnt attack subs the way diaz does.

Koscheck striking is based on winging punches untill one connects and only connects if his oppenent is worried about the take down.... while Diaz works body/head and strings nice combos together.

Xlami

I think Diaz is the first fighter to fight GSP and believe he can win. Best summary of this fight I heard was on MMA Live where Pat Militech said Diaz would take two to give one. The guy has a chin I don't see Georges testing and ridiculous cardio. No one can say it's not a tough fight for Georges. I expect him to mix it up on the feet as well as takedwons. Diaz is a brawler so if Georges can utilise the jab again and then use the takedowns whenever he's in trouble. I also feel Georges best performances have been against the better competitors.

DeVore

GSP is simply too powerful and strong for this fight. He will decide if it goes to the ground (which I think it will) and will spend a lot of time being stood back up again

GSP can also pick apart a fighters game and expose its weaknesses. Koscheck couldnt alter his game when it didnt work for him, Penn couldnt deal with the power and got pinned to the mat, Shields got jabbed to death when he couldnt take him down.
I dont think GSP will want to go into a Clay-Guida style brawl with Diaz and I fear this might be another lay-and-pray victory for GSP. But if Diaz doesnt have anything to counter that.... he doesnt deserve to be champion imho.

GSP by lay-and-pray unless Diaz sneaks a sub from his back.

DeV.

mailburner

Xlami wrote: »

I think Diaz is the first fighter to fight GSP and believe he can win. Best summary of this fight I heard was on MMA Live where Pat Militech said Diaz would take two to give one. The guy has a chin I don't see Georges testing and ridiculous cardio. No one can say it's not a tough fight for Georges. I expect him to mix it up on the feet as well as takedwons. Diaz is a brawler so if Georges can utilise the jab again and then use the takedowns whenever he's in trouble. I also feel Georges best performances have been against the better competitors.

agree with you there

i think this will be gsps toughest fight but i think he will win
a decision
saying that, i think the only way he'll beat diaz is by taking
him down and i see that happening throughout the entire fight.
I really can't see gsp standing too long with diaz
Diaz cardios is ridiculous, no doubt about it and his chin won't
be tested by gsp.
If somehow gsp can't take diaz down then i reckon it'll be the
toughest fight of his life

mailburner

mailburner wrote: »

Diaz cardios is ridiculous,

your right there, i think this is why its going to be a great match.

EriT

Hi Lads looking for some advise im going to be in Vegas on October 29th so going to try go to this one I know tickets wont be on sale until around mid august from what ive seen on previous events my question is do I stand much of a chance of getting the tickets on Ticketmaster when they are released to the general public ? Or would you expect them to sell out immediately or have already sold out to the pre released tickets to the UFC fan club thing?

Mellor

the pre-release is two days before the main release, so no tickets have been soldyet.
Should be a large venue, so ticks won't be impossible to get if you are on the ball. Newletter pre-sale goes out the day before main release