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I cannot believe that the kings of them all (big generator) is not in the list, considering they were prob the start of all great cover bands and even though they may be a little over the hill now, i went to see them a few week ago and they are still top of their game. And imo Revenge are serious contenders for top of your list, he is a serious front man, Gorilla radio were my ultimate favourites until i heard them this weekend, track loops all over the place. They had a lovely thing going with a warm friendly feeling and all natural talent and now they have wandered off in some other direction, (track after track, after track) and are not doing a good job of it. The ultimate band of course at the min is J90, but they dont so much have musical talent as much as are good at pressing "play" on the lap top and staying in time, which is harder than you think!
Agreed on almost everything there !! apart from the J90 Part....
One Laptop is running the LED backdrop and lighting cues, and other one is running Drum Samples that are triggered by the kit to help setup and pack down times from gigging almost every night, the other one you are referring to never had a "play" button, it was running ableton live with various soft synths, NI akoustik piano, and Kontakt Sampler to trigger samples but that has since been retired for the Yamaha Motif XS7. god help ya when the next one arrives cause that will be running and dealing with full automated vocal processing and dont mention the ipad !!
The world is a technical place my friend and some people like to attack it head on rather than blend in with the pack
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Agreed on almost everything there !! apart from the J90 Part....
One Laptop is running the LED backdrop and lighting cues, and other one is running Drum Samples that are triggered by the kit to help setup and pack down times from gigging almost every night, the other one you are referring to never had a "play" button, it was running ableton live with various soft synths, NI akoustik piano, and Kontakt Sampler to trigger samples but that has since been retired for the Yamaha Motif XS7. god help ya when the next one arrives cause that will be running and dealing with full automated vocal processing and dont mention the ipad !!
The world is a technical place my friend and some people like to attack it head on rather than blend in with the pack
OK, first of all, thanks for all the info (i do appreciate that its all very modern and technical)
Second, Do you work for j90?
Third, i am not a tecki so telling me "this laptop did that and that lap top does this and the other one over there hangs the curtains" is still the same as saying "the band only pretends to be doing some of the work and makes it look like they can play the keys when they really only know two tunes, but it still looks good" & fair enough! most bands now play with a few tracks (piano or orchestra) but thats all it should be (IMO) if they claim to be a live band!
If i want to hear the original music from a CD i can sit home or like i said i can go hear a DJ and watch them press play all night! (not knocking DJ)
Four, don't get me wrong now like i said it takes more talent than most people would appreciate to do what j90 do and they are great at it, and i like them as a band but in my opinion they are way to processed for my taste, i enjoy very talented musicians who do it well and naturally and make a few blunders and sound totally live, rather that all that pretend stuff "but we look great"
Five, what is with all the covers band haters on here, i wouldn't go see an originals band if i was paid, i would be bored out me trolley all night, ya cant dance or sing along to what ya don't know. Covers all the way for me, Still a few to see haven't seen recoil yet, are they good? few others not on your list, Epic, Hush, Transmitter, seen any these?0 -
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Im the guy in control of the laptops
The laptops at no point are playing any tracks?!? I play it all live on the motif and have many split layers on the keyboard so i can switch quickly between sounds or sound samples.
The last laptop was used as I couldnt find a decent enough piano sound other than bringing a real grand piano so i used akoustik piano http://www.native-instruments.com/#/en/products/producer/akoustik-piano/ for the realism. In fact the laptop did nothing except slow me down when switching patches etc... so i retired it
When I mentioned the next laptop for vocal processing, again its only to speed things up live ie: midi switch vocal fx and be automate fx during a song so I dont need to play with the fx rack again no tracks :P
Linkin park, pendulam etc.. etc.. do it all the time but when someone on our level does it and has the ability to access this stuff we get accused of tracks
I understand your not a teckie and nice one for admitting it but thats why you shouldnt jump to conclusions about bands using tracks, I am against tracks as I know the stigma attached to that from the old days of the 1st rock showbands, but some bands do now unfortunately.
If you saw us every night you would see on the odd night mistakes and slip ups and keyboards crashing and having to restart etc.. but the band keeps going and nothing is lost because i just jump back in because there are NO TRACKS We are human after all !!
I get this alot and most of the time its great to hear because for me, if it sounds that close to the original, I must be getting something right
anyway hope that helps 0 -
Hey Im the guy in control of the laptops
The laptops at no point are playing any tracks?!? I play it all live on the motif and have many split layers on the keyboard so i can switch quickly between sounds or sound samples.
The last laptop was used as I couldnt find a decent enough piano sound other than bringing a real grand piano so i used akoustik piano http://www.native-instruments.com/#/en/products/producer/akoustik-piano/ for the realism. In fact the laptop did nothing except slow me down when switching patches etc... so i retired it
When I mentioned the next laptop for vocal processing, again its only to speed things up live ie: midi switch vocal fx and be automate fx during a song so I dont need to play with the fx rack again no tracks :P
Linkin park, pendulam etc.. etc.. do it all the time but when someone on our level does it and has the ability to access this stuff we get accused of tracks
I understand your not a teckie and nice one for admitting it but thats why you shouldnt jump to conclusions about bands using tracks, I am against tracks as I know the stigma attached to that from the old days of the 1st rock showbands, but some bands do now unfortunately.
If you saw us every night you would see on the odd night mistakes and slip ups and keyboards crashing and having to restart etc.. but the band keeps going and nothing is lost because i just jump back in because there are NO TRACKS We are human after all !!
I get this alot and most of the time its great to hear because for me, if it sounds that close to the original, I must be getting something right
anyway hope that helps
amazing band use are keep up the good work j90..ps try get a few more public dublin gigs ha0 -
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Explain please.
Cover bands are like the difference between prostitutes and real lovers.... ....Essentially the act is the same but you can buy favours cheaply from one and the other you have engage with fully for favours.
I know of venues for new music that have had to close because they can't compete with venues who only promote the cover and the tribute band embarrassment. Therefore, killing new music.
What is annoying is that there are those who attempt to elevate it to artistic status. It is craft not art.......full stop.
p.s. There are more 'man's' and 'dudes' on this thread than at a Cheech and Chong Appreciation Convention. Which is a bit disquieting as well! 0 -
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p.s. There are more 'man's' and 'dudes' on this thread than at a Cheech and Chong Appreciation Convention. Which is a bit disquieting as well![/QUOTE]
I am nither a man nor a dude & and dont see anything disgusting here except for some posters being rude (back a few pages) :mad:0 -
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And why do you think they can't compete? Nobody pretends a cover band is some sort of hugely creative or artistic force. They have 2 purposes: to entertain the crowd and to make money for the members. As I said in my other post they get paid to give the customers what they want. You can't compare the two. People won't suddenly decide to go see new, original bands just because cover bands aren't playing. It's two completely different markets. Where I work we have a cover band 7 nights of the week and they usually get a good crowd. I'd say 90% of our customers would leave if we started having original bands. It is unfortunate that original music is under-appreciated in this country (I play in an originals band myself!) but to blame it on cover bands is ridiculous especially since there's been cover bands around since the 50's or 60's. In my experience too a lot of cover bands use the money they make to fund their own original bands as well. Eric Clapton, mambers of the Beatles and Stones all started out doing covers in pubs. It's a great way of learning your trade and progressing professionally.Happyman42 wrote: »Cover bands are like the difference between prostitutes and real lovers.... ....Essentially the act is the same but you can buy favours cheaply from one and the other you have engage with fully for favours.
I know of venues for new music that have had to close because they can't compete with venues who only promote the cover and the tribute band embarrassment. Therefore, killing new music.
What is annoying is that there are those who attempt to elevate it to artistic status. It is craft not art.......full stop.
p.s. There are more 'man's' and 'dudes' on this thread than at a Cheech and Chong Appreciation Convention. Which is a bit disquieting as well!
A computer is a tool just like an instrument. I didn't mean a computer keyboard in my post I meant a midi keyboard like this which produce no sound of their own and are connected to a computer. You still have to know how to play it just as you would a piano or synth. It's not just pressing a few buttons on a laptop. It's as real as someone using a synth with no computer or an electric piano. The only difference is a computer can produce an unlimited number of sounds. It's the same as using an effects pedal on a guitar imo.Hey, i said i wasn't a tecki, i never said i was thick! I am well aware that soundtracks and chart music are made with computers and real music. But a computer is not a musical instrument! It is a computer! And that is mass produced T.V. music. Thats what peeps pay big money for Cd's for. I have seen many great bands preform who don't use laptops or tracks or loops or any magic tricks, they re-lie on there own talent (and again i am not knocking bands who use PC), i am only saying that it is not live music, no mater what way you look at it or what fancy way you spin it it is not a real person playing an instrument. I could train a monkey to press a few buttons on a laptop (again no offense)
Take for instance, seen one of the above mentioned bands last year, yes it been a while, and they played, MY FIRST KISS, 3oh 3 & Kesha. Unless the band had amazing effects and could make the lead singer or the backing singer sound identical to Kesha then there was "Jiggery Pokery" involved because Kesha was singing Kesahs bit! WHY BOTHER! Why not just have a person sing it! This may sound irrelevant but i am just reinforcing the fact that it is not real!
Besides all that i really don't think that most ordinary punters who are going out to get wasted and have a sing and a dance really care whether its all a big show or not, they only want to hear the stuff they know whether its magically mixed on a laptop or not! Only people who go just to listen to the band would know or even care.
Oh and as for your man over there insulting covers bands, you are in the wrong forum, go start you own haters club elsewhere, we are here because we like our country's talented covers bands, and yes regardless of you opinion they are talented and a huge amount of work and effort go into their performances & unfortunately for original bands Irish culture wants and demands to hear those covers band & don't really appreciate original stuff as much. So we love em, no mater what way they decide to do it!:D
Also even they're not using a laptop, many bands use digital mixing desks these days because it's convenient, efficient and allows them to worry about the important stuff like actually making music.0 -
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One thing I would like to add from my years and years, did i mention years of experience is...... (20 years on road next year)
Cover acts used to be about entertaining and getting paid etc.. but now since this recession thing hit, its alot more about your poster going up and you pulling the crowd into the venue in order to command the "real" money. This is a problem to all of us in 2 ways, it makes it hard if not impossible for a new act to break into half these venues and it also means that the 3-4 bands "doin the biz" have to try and keep the circuit alive on their own which is hard going as due to the volume of gigs those certain venues have to stay afloat on just one to two good nights a month.
Remember the rule: what you charge, the venue has to triple it for it to be worthwhile for them.
One last thing, the reference to Kesha 3oh3 song was J90 and I did trigger the sample by kesha as it makes it more authentic and also makes peoples ears perk up and think how do they do that, if you have seen us you will know that autheticity to the original track is paramount for us to maintain what we do. I could of easily sang it but thats what the rest of the bands will do, so why not stand out?
Its a business and an industry after all and if taken seriously you can make a great living.
I also produce original music for other people, for ourselves, do session work and write and score music for radio and tv so playing in a cover band is only part of it and its not a bad thing to do, after all it still involves music and music was installed in me from birth, and it allows you to learn different production techniques to if your mind is open to it.
I would much rather do what I do that have to clock in somewhere I hated, I much prefer a full venue and a load of people forgetting their problems and bills and leaving with a smile, im happy to be a part of that.
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Totally agree, if an original venue is doing this after only being open a small while that's a bad move, but if it's been open for years what does that tell you about the bands going in? Its their job too, to create a fan base and for people to come in..... I do find that a lot of people who own instruments think just cause they write a song that everyone should have to listen to it. I've seen alot of original acts and I think they are great, von shakes and a few others spring to mind, from our trips to Dublin etc... But it's ultra hard for those acts to get what they deserve which is a pity.
We are lucky in the fact that the covers side opens the door for the original side of things such as venues, support slots, radio stations, etc... And we play 2 or 3 originals a night in the cover set anyway but they slot in as people are used to hearing them on the radio which is a huge help.
Keeping them separate is the best way to go though we just don't have that option anymore...
Definitely positives and negatives to both.... 0 -
Hey Im the guy in control of the laptops
The laptops at no point are playing any tracks?!? I play it all live on the motif and have many split layers on the keyboard so i can switch quickly between sounds or sound samples.
The last laptop was used as I couldnt find a decent enough piano sound other than bringing a real grand piano so i used akoustik piano http://www.native-instruments.com/#/en/products/producer/akoustik-piano/ for the realism. In fact the laptop did nothing except slow me down when switching patches etc... so i retired it
When I mentioned the next laptop for vocal processing, again its only to speed things up live ie: midi switch vocal fx and be automate fx during a song so I dont need to play with the fx rack again no tracks :P
Linkin park, pendulam etc.. etc.. do it all the time but when someone on our level does it and has the ability to access this stuff we get accused of tracks
I understand your not a teckie and nice one for admitting it but thats why you shouldnt jump to conclusions about bands using tracks, I am against tracks as I know the stigma attached to that from the old days of the 1st rock showbands, but some bands do now unfortunately.
If you saw us every night you would see on the odd night mistakes and slip ups and keyboards crashing and having to restart etc.. but the band keeps going and nothing is lost because i just jump back in because there are NO TRACKS We are human after all !!
I get this alot and most of the time its great to hear because for me, if it sounds that close to the original, I must be getting something right
anyway hope that helps
Finally managed to catch another SHOW last night!
Love the new backdrop, deadly!
Ger is an amazing front man even better than i remember. Didn't manage to change my original opinion doe!:p Still all too processed for my taste. (poor crowd too)0 -
Hey thanks, judging by the post date you saw us in Tullamore, it was our 1st time there so we wouldn't expect the earth crowd wise usually by visit 2/3 a band starts to see the difference.
Each to their own about being processed I understand completely though where your coming from 0 -
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