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Do you tip your food delivery driver???

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    Yes €2+
    Depends who it is. Pizza Hut or Dominos? No way their entire menu is made with delivery in mind and is quite expensive to sustain regularly if your tipping as well.

    If its some non-chain place where delivery isn't their main source of business and aren't over-charging for their food I might.

    Tipping in the delivery industry is such a strange social pressure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 95 ✭✭kinvara64


    No - They get paid already.
    yeah a euro or two.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Aishae


    No - Never - I can't afford it
    redout wrote: »
    If it takes more than 45mins then I wouldnt tip but the majority of times it is within that so about €2.

    .

    45 mins :eek:
    none of the places near me will deliver if its more than a 10 min drive away. 5 in some cases. though i think some places will go further but the delivery charges rises every few kms instead.

    _____________________________________________________________

    ive known a few drivers over the years: i thought the delivery charge was to cover petrol? (which the shop has to reimburse you for?)

    im not being stingy by refusing to subsidise cr*ppy wages (crappy wages is often the reason given for the tipping thing in EVERY industry where tipping has become the norm)
    to me a tip is always a tip for special circumstances or eg. in snow.

    i know its only a few quid but that all adds up to a few more quid people might not have to spare.
    takeouts are a rarity these days though


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭nemo32


    I would always try and tip a take-away or hairdresser but not the tesco delivery guy.. I pay up to 5 euro for delivery so why should I tip, I am scappy?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭123balltv


    I dont tip I can barely afford the pizza
    I would if I had the dosh, love them stories from waitresses who get
    mega tips from celebs


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,449 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    Yes €2+
    Only if im feeling VERY generous, and if it was quick.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,662 ✭✭✭RMD


    What I never understood is why we tip delivery drivers / taxi drivers / bar staff / restaurant staff. They receive the same wage as most people in similar low skilled jobs, yet you don't tip someone in a shop or similar.

    People will tip waiting staff for doing their job, even if it's a poor attempt at that, but say if someone working in a shop goes out of their way to help they wont be tipped. Something I never really understood.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭jaffacakesyum


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    I don't tip because society says I have to. If someone deserves a tip, if they really put forth an effort, I'll give them a little something extra. But this tipping automatically, fuck that shit. As far as I'm concerned, they're just doing their job.

    This.

    Why should people in certain jobs automatically get a tip because society deems it so? It really annoys me. They're doing their job and getting paid for it. You don't see me getting tips from customers in retail or when I'm working on events or etc. etc.

    I know some people will say "well if you want tips, work in restaurants or in food delivery". **** that. I'm a damn hard worker and I don't see why someone who's working equally as hard (or less hard in some cases) than me should get tips just because they're in a different industry. I'm on minimum wage so I can guarantee that they're not getting paid less than me :rolleyes:

    That said, if someone really puts in an effort and does something beyond they're job remit or what they actually need to do to get paid, keep their job etc. then I will tip.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,986 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    Yes €2+
    Pizza is €10 with free delivery and is €7.50 with our carryout discount

    Do companies take us for fools??
    That isn't free delivery, the delivery is built into the price


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 221 ✭✭Kitty-kitty


    Yes €2+
    I'll admit it, I'm a bit of a stingy bitch. I don't tip. Hell. I rarely tip in restaurants (and when I do, it's out of peer pressure unless the service was stellar.) Now before you scald me, hear me out;

    I've always worked minimum wage jobs where tipping is not the norm. Salesperson in a shoe shop, cashier, secretary. I do my job and I do it well for minimum wage. I'm getting paid what they're getting paid - why should I pay them more for doing their job adequately when I have done as much for my working life...?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,048 ✭✭✭vampire of kilmainham


    Only if its hot and fast delivery.
    Saila wrote: »
    delivery charge = no tip
    ya misrible git ya


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,515 ✭✭✭✭admiralofthefleet


    as i said in another thread they get a flat wage and free food so no, i dont tip them


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,048 ✭✭✭vampire of kilmainham


    Only if its hot and fast delivery.
    Yeah. I say: mind that bast'rd of a dog on your way back to your van there... it's the neighbour's & a right nasty little f'cker... he'll get around behind you & bite for sure... we've called the Guards twice but, sure, they do nothing.

    Then I yell after them when they're almost halfway to the van: here he comes! watch out! he can smell the food!!
    :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭Hank_Jones


    No - They get paid already.
    You would think €0.50 was a lot of money, after forking out €10/€20/€30 for food, woulda thought people would stretch to something.

    Would think delivery drivers were fcukin minted or something.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭CallMeFlo


    No - They get paid already.
    Only is the change will be two euro or so, that way I won't feel like an idiot standing while they count out the money. Other times I just wait for it and don't care, depends on my mood really but the majority of the time I do yes :o


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11 jc002


    No - They get paid already.
    Used to deliver fast food. The tips were what made the job worthwhile. Furthermore, I worked for a place that did Thai food. As Thai is more "specialized" than most fast food, I found the tips to be better, and never had any trouble. I pity the guys delivering pizzas for these two reasons.

    If you're renowned for not tipping, this will be noticed. Expect your food to be delivered later. Plus, with stuff like chips, a known non-tipper will have their "tip" taken from the bag in advance. And believe me, that's only "for starters". On the other hand, if you DO tip (even a euro), the driver will go out of his way to ensure you get your food as quickly as possible in future.

    As mentioned, even a euro is much appreciated when doing the job (it's the gesture, if anything). And yeah, yeah, I know you're not *obliged* to tip. I had one guy take his food and say "eh, you get the delivery charge, don't you?" .. "No, mate, I do this job for free". Moron.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭tiny_penguin


    Yes €2+
    jc002 wrote: »

    If you're renowned for not tipping, this will be noticed. Expect your food to be delivered later. Plus, with stuff like chips, a known non-tipper will have their "tip" taken from the bag in advance. And believe me, that's only "for starters". On the other hand, if you DO tip (even a euro), the driver will go out of his way to ensure you get your food as quickly as possible in future.
    .

    You see that really on takes effect if you are regularly getting takeaway from the same place. Often enough for them to remember you.

    Also as said before they do get paid a flat rate and often the delivery charge aswell - their interaction with you is all of about 30 seconds while you pay for your food. So what exactly have they done to deserve a tip? Found your house without calling for directions (does not often happen), delivered within the promised time of the takeaway? I only tip a waitress in a restaurant if she has gone out of her way to make my experience a good one. You interact with a waitress over the course of on average an hour or more throughout your meal. They can make the difference by suggesting items, given better decriptions of the items, making sure you have everything you need while you are there without being in your face and annoying. There is enough interaction that they can make a difference to your dining expereince. A delivery driver takes a bag of food, puts it in his car and hands it over at the door? Why should I pay extra for that? Because some people think its stingy not to pay an additional 10-20% ontop of the already exspensive price of my food.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Aishae


    No - Never - I can't afford it
    even if i were to be a regular take out fan i have to say that the to steal a handful of chips or make sure to bring cold food to a known non tipper etc is terrible. a customer hardly owes anything - apart from the price of the food (and delivery charge which is often there)

    its nice to be nice<- but its not so nice if its expected of you, it tends to feel more like an obligation you end up resenting


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,929 ✭✭✭✭ShadowHearth


    No - They get paid already.
    I allways tip.

    I don't order often, but if I do it's for 2 people + something snacky for myself when I get hungry when I play on pc.

    So it's allways around 16-18 quid. I allways give 20 and say keep the change. A few fellas were like wtf?! Seriously?! Thanks!

    In my opinion it's better to tip the young fellas that do deleveries, maybe next time when he will be bringing food to you, he will have your spot on priority, because it's not a cheap bastord living there. Plus it deserves respect already as he is actuolly working! Not sitting on his hole in estate agent 24/7 and looking cool with his idiot friends.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,016 ✭✭✭metalfest


    No - Never - I can't afford it
    dillo2k10 wrote: »
    Speak english?

    So basically you are saying that you wouldn't give a foreigner a tip!
    who says because you're foreign you can't speak english?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    You see that really on takes effect if you are regularly getting takeaway from the same place. Often enough for them to remember you.

    Trust me, speaking as someone who does the job, if you're ordering for the second time, you're being remembered. It's part of the job to have an extensive memory for who everyone is and where they live, and I know where I work we keep a detailed record of every order, the date, amount of money charged and the driver, as well as maps and directions and notes. I've never taken food or deliberately been slow, but if I have two deliveries, and I know one is a non-tipper and the other typically tips, it doesn't matter whose food came out ready first or who ordered first; the tipper is getting the food first. Also, for all the exclamations about how it's only 30 seconds of interaction, so a delivery driver can't have earned a tip, it's more than enough time for me to dread certain deliveries, as the customer is always rude or unpleasant, or doesn't have the money ready and has to go around the whole house figuring out who owes what and has neither the sense nor the courtesy to have done that in the twenty minutes between ordering and me arriving at the door. And for the record, I always tip generously. My thinking is that if I can't afford to tip, I can't afford to be ordering a takeaway. I know it leads to better service long term and a more pleasant experience all round, for all concerned. Not bad for a few quid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,264 ✭✭✭✭jester77


    Only if its hot and fast delivery.
    I always tip plus if I'm paying with card I will give him the tip in cash. Don't trust that he would ever see it otherwise.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    NoQuarter wrote: »
    I just started doing deliveries around 2 months ago and was amazed at the amount of people who dont tip because I always did!

    Now I get paid 5 euro an hour and the delivery charge on each delivery which is 2 euro and Ive never done more than 8 deliveries in a night,

    So I get about 30-36 euro for the night, which is 5 hours work. Below minimum wage.

    I would be delighted to get a euro tip! Scabby feckers who dont tip, and im not just saying that as a drive because I always did it! And the worst is that I have to call half the fukkers on my own mobile so I can get into their **** apartments etc!

    Not that im bitter or anything...

    Your gripe should be with your employer, they're the ones taking the p*ss out of you for working for half-nothing. The fact they're paying you a crap wage is not the fault of the average person ordering a pizza.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,488 ✭✭✭kingtut


    I don't tip but that is because I never get it delivered, I get off my ass and collect it myself!! :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭OneArt


    I never see my food deliverer because the butler always collects it as I am usually in the middle of a glass of brandy after a hard day supervising the diamond mines. Iris the maid prepares it and Betty the house girl serves it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭tiny_penguin


    Yes €2+
    Trust me, speaking as someone who does the job, if you're ordering for the second time, you're being remembered. It's part of the job to have an extensive memory for who everyone is and where they live, and I know where I work we keep a detailed record of every order, the date, amount of money charged and the driver, as well as maps and directions and notes. I've never taken food or deliberately been slow, but if I have two deliveries, and I know one is a non-tipper and the other typically tips, it doesn't matter whose food came out ready first or who ordered first; the tipper is getting the food first. Also, for all the exclamations about how it's only 30 seconds of interaction, so a delivery driver can't have earned a tip, it's more than enough time for me to dread certain deliveries, as the customer is always rude or unpleasant, or doesn't have the money ready and has to go around the whole house figuring out who owes what and has neither the sense nor the courtesy to have done that in the twenty minutes between ordering and me arriving at the door. And for the record, I always tip generously. My thinking is that if I can't afford to tip, I can't afford to be ordering a takeaway. I know it leads to better service long term and a more pleasant experience all round, for all concerned. Not bad for a few quid.


    So if I order from a place once a year and dont tip they are going to remember me?

    Also yeh 30 seconds is long enough for someone to be rude to you, but that is a brief moment in your life. What about all the people working in customer facing jobs (like shop assistants, phone customer service etc) who have to deal with people being rude and abusive to them for a lot longer than 30 seconds, earn minimum wage and do not get tips? Again you are not doing anything over and above what you have already been paid for? There is a delivery charge added to the price of my food so what exactly am I paying for? So I'm expected to give a driver 2 euro to ensure he does his job properly(ie delivery food in the correct order that the order was placed, or logically for a delivery route, and to not eat the food i am paying for?)

    I'm not saying its not a sh*tty job. Im sure it is - but I still don't understand what the expectation of a tip is for?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,732 ✭✭✭Magill


    Yes €2+
    I actually never tip anyone in this country :s Who exactly should i be tipping ? Taxi companys do most of the deliverys around here. Aren't bartenders/delivery boys etc on a wage or do they work for tips ?

    I worked for 4 years as a labourer for just over minimum wage and never recieved any tips from ze brickies or plasterers. I'd consider tending 3 bricklayers much harder work than you'd get in any delivery/taxi/bartending jobs...

    Fair enough if you can afford it.... but not everyones a ****ing banker.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    So if I order from a place once a year and dont tip they are going to remember me?

    Typically, yeah. Records will show it anyway.
    Also yeh 30 seconds is long enough for someone to be rude to you, but that is a brief moment in your life. What about all the people working in customer facing jobs (like shop assistants, phone customer service etc) who have to deal with people being rude and abusive to them for a lot longer than 30 seconds, earn minimum wage and do not get tips? Again you are not doing anything over and above what you have already been paid for?

    You're the one who mentioned the 30 seconds initially. If it's long enough for me to get the impression that the customer is a thundering arsehole then it somewhat undermines the assertion that it's an insignificant period of time and therefore the driver can't possibly have achieved anything.
    There is a delivery charge added to the price of my food so what exactly am I paying for? So I'm expected to give a driver 2 euro to ensure he does his job properly(ie delivery food in the correct order that the order was placed, or logically for a delivery route, and to not eat the food i am paying for?)

    Yup. If the driver earns a bit of extra cash by getting the tipper's food to them a bit faster, then they're going to do it. You can say that's not right all you like, but first of all, you'll never know if you're the second delivery or what order things went in, but the driver's responsibility to himself is to make the most money possible in a given night. I won't support anyone interfering with or eating the food, but in terms of determining delivery order, whether you tip or not is a contributing factor.
    I'm not saying its not a sh*tty job. Im sure it is - but I still don't understand what the expectation of a tip is for?

    It's not a bad job at all, but the pay is determined by the tips, and the flat rate pay is crap, as it presumes a rate of tips.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,746 ✭✭✭✭Misticles


    No - They get paid already.
    I tip when I'm paying cash on delivery but if I order online and pay online (due to having no cash on me) I can't tip them :/


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,986 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    Yes €2+
    Our local chipper has about four different drivers in the last month. So I supposed to tip each one and hope they remember me or I'll be getting slow service next time?

    It's not a bad job at all, but the pay is determined by the tips, and the flat rate pay is crap, as it presumes a rate of tips.

    What happened to minimum wage?
    And I realy doubt a lot of drivers are declaring to their insurance company they are doing this work, it's been on any form I've ever seen. Get in an accident and they'll have to lie to the insurance company I suppose


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭tiny_penguin


    Yes €2+
    You're the one who mentioned the 30 seconds initially. If it's long enough for me to get the impression that the customer is a thundering arsehole then it somewhat undermines the assertion that it's an insignificant period of time and therefore the driver can't possibly have achieved anything.

    Its insignifcant in the grand scheme of your life. Also you cannot make an accurate judgement of someone based on that small a period of time. Just because they were rude then - there could have been any number of factors leading up to that behaviour. Besides, just because you do not tip does not make you a 'thundering arsehole'. I am always polite, thank the person and smile. Still wont be tipping.

    Yup. If the driver earns a bit of extra cash by getting the tipper's food to them a bit faster, then they're going to do it. You can say that's not right all you like, but first of all, you'll never know if you're the second delivery or what order things went in, but the driver's responsibility to himself is to make the most money possible in a given night. I won't support anyone interfering with or eating the food, but in terms of determining delivery order, whether you tip or not is a contributing factor.

    If ill never know that he chooses to come to me second, what difference does it make. As long as i get my food within an appropriate length of time, agreed by the establishment and it is not cold then i dont care if someone gets there 5 mins earlier. You know you are going to be waiting for a takeaway and if you want it faster go and collect it yourself. If it does take longer than a promised time with no valid reason, or if my food arrives cold, i would complain to the business itslef and never order from them again.
    It's not a bad job at all, but the pay is determined by the tips, and the flat rate pay is crap, as it presumes a rate of tips.

    If you are getting paid under minimum wage then you need to take that up with your employer as that is illegal - if you get minimum wage there are plenty of other jobs out there that pay minimum wage too so not a reason to tip.

    You still have not told me what you have done, other than the job you are paid for, to deserve a tip?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,732 ✭✭✭Magill


    Yes €2+
    It's not a bad job at all, but the pay is determined by the tips, and the flat rate pay is crap, as it presumes a rate of tips.

    What is the flat rate pay ? If its not below minimum wage(If it is... get a different job)... you know what... suck it up... all they have to do is drive a fooking car around and deal with a few customers.. I can understand a waitress/waiter complaining if they doesnt get any tips but for something that requires you to sit on your hole for most of your shift... get outta here.. probably wouldn't know what hard work is even if it slapped them on the face.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭MsJenjers


    I might let them keep the change if it's a small bit but only cos I'm never arsed waiting for it :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 821 ✭✭✭temply


    No - They get paid already.
    e04bf0c8 wrote: »
    How long has it been since you done deliveries? yes things use to be this good but not lately, especially since the new year. Ive been doing deliveries for quite a while now and lately I consider it a good nite if I go home with even near min wage. And thats only taking into account the cost of petrol and not the extra wear and tear on the car!

    For those that don't tip, the driver will always remember you. I always give preferential teatment to tipping customers. The most common is when I have to do multiple drops in one trip, I will always drop last to a customer that doesn't tip. Whether there order was in first or not![/QUOTE]


    *is glad i tip*


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭jme2010


    I tip my local chinese delivery guy. He's really funny when I open the door, and greatfull when he gets a tip on top of €2 delivery charge.

    But I dont tip the other chipper fiuckers that starts slowly counting my change back to me...1 euro <looks me in the eye>........2 euro <slowly jingles pocket for more change>.........2 and heif euro........

    I let the [EMAIL="b@stard"]b@stard[/EMAIL] finish and slam the door in his face.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 526 ✭✭✭7Sins


    Yes €2+
    Do I whaaaaa?! A beedin' tip is eh! I do in me hOle :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,818 ✭✭✭Minstrel27


    Yes €2+
    I would never tip a delivery guy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭Bobby42


    Yes €2+
    I've often tipped the delivery driver a euro or two but recently I've had delivery driving that are really reluctant to give the change back.
    You give them a 20 and they stand there awkwardly searching through a handful of change, taking ages, hoping you'll just say keep it. That really annoys me. I'll tip if I want to, I won't be bullied into tipping.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,818 ✭✭✭Minstrel27


    Yes €2+
    Bobby42 wrote: »
    I've often tipped the delivery driver a euro or two but recently I've had delivery driving that are really reluctant to give the change back.
    You give them a 20 and they stand there awkwardly searching through a handful of change, taking ages, hoping you'll just say keep it. That really annoys me. I'll tip if I want to, I won't be bullied into tipping.

    **** them. Make them wait if they are trying a stunt like that. I always give the correct change and close the door the instant the money touches their hand.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    Only if its hot and fast delivery.
    Yeah. It's usually the same girl and she's nice and f4riendly.Usually just let her keep the change or round it off. Always between 2-3 Euro.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    No - They get paid already.
    jc002 wrote: »

    If you're renowned for not tipping, this will be noticed. Expect your food to be delivered later. Plus, with stuff like chips, a known non-tipper will have their "tip" taken from the bag in advance. And believe me, that's only "for starters". On the other hand, if you DO tip (even a euro), the driver will go out of his way to ensure you get your food as quickly as possible in future.

    Well, if that's the case, I will have a fist full of change prepared as a tip for every delivery in future.

    But I will first rub this change all over my ball sac and ass crack.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 229 ✭✭0O7


    No - They get paid already.
    know a fello who delivers pizza in cork, he was telling me that he gets 5euro an hour, must use his own car and petrol at his own expense, but he said the tips are usually good which brings it up to a "normal" wage....

    well if they wer getting paid 8euro / hour and did 4 deliveries every hour and each delivery gave a 2 euro tip, thats like a gazillion euro a day! everyone be doing it :pac::pac::pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭e04bf0c8


    Only if its hot and fast delivery.
    Well, if that's the case, I will have a fist full of change prepared as a tip for every delivery in future.

    But I will first rub this change all over my ball sac and ass crack.

    suppose thats only fair seen as that is what happens your food!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    No - They get paid already.
    e04bf0c8 wrote: »
    suppose thats only fair seen as that is what happens your food!

    They started it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,542 ✭✭✭Captain Darling


    No.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 375 ✭✭superbad50


    yes i would always tip. the way the country has gone , a lot of these drivers can not find work and are depending on a few guid to pay there mortgages. well I know 2 lads who this is the case with


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,352 ✭✭✭daveyboy_1ie


    No - They get paid already.
    Always wait for the change and hand a euro back. The delivery charge should be going to them too so its a fair enough premium to pay over going myself.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 229 ✭✭0O7


    No - They get paid already.
    jme2010 wrote: »
    I
    But I dont tip the other chipper fiuckers that starts slowly counting my change back to me...1 euro <looks me in the eye>........2 euro <slowly jingles pocket for more change>.........2 and heif euro........

    .


    haha. its true


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭Bipolar Joe


    I always do. I tend to order from the same place every time, and have gotten a good rapport with the two delivery guys. They even sent me a Christmas card, and more than once have given me free iced cream or a free drink off their own backs.

    I know a guy who used to be a delivery man, and the delivery charge went towards paying for petrol. Dunno if it's the same for all, but I think it's reasonable to tip the guy, it's not like they're making total bank.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭Bipolar Joe


    I always do. I tend to order from the same place every time, and have gotten a good rapport with the two delivery guys. They even sent me a Christmas card, and more than once have given me free iced cream or a free drink off their own backs.

    I know a guy who used to be a delivery man, and the delivery charge went towards paying for petrol. Dunno if it's the same for all, but I think it's reasonable to tip the guy, it's not like they're making total bank.


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