**Spoilers** Series 6, Episode 7 - "A Good Man Goes To War"

pixelburp

Well The Doctor has mentioned before that there are fixed points in time where no matter what he can do, events will still run their course. I imagine the whacky days of 1930s Germany is the same. Think people are probably taking the title too literally anyway. Sounds more like it might be taken from a line of dialogue more than anything.

Stark

I can picture the opening scene already.

"So, what adventures this time, Doctor?"
"We're going to carry out an assassination!".

Cue Matt Smith's wide cheesy grin and cut to opening credits.

Doctor DooM

pixelburp wrote: »

Well The Doctor has mentioned before that there are fixed points in time where no matter what he can do, events will still run their course. I imagine the whacky days of 1930s Germany is the same. Think people are probably taking the title too literally anyway. Sounds more like it might be taken from a line of dialogue more than anything.

I would agree with some people in that, although it does look set in war/ pre war Germany, the title will actually have a dual purpose in meaning he cannot effect River's upbringing because it would effect him so he would never change her history, and so on.

Much like if you kill the big A you'd never realise why you had to travel back in time to do it, and therefore wouldn't do it.

Timeywimey when it suits

ríomhaire

Maybe Young River/Melody finds her way in 1930s Germany and decides that killing Hitler is probably a good idea and the Doctor is trying to find her and bring her back to Rory and Amy.

bren2001

Ive assumed from the beginning the title just means that the Doctor (or somebody) kills Hilter as opposed to him committing suicide. Maybe thats just too simple.

MrVestek

ríomhaire wrote: »

Maybe Young River/Melody finds her way in 1930s Germany and decides that killing Hitler is probably a good idea and the Doctor is trying to find her and bring her back to Rory and Amy.

Putting her in various wars over the years would seem like a good way to train her to kill 'the oncoming storm' alright.

popebenny16

i was very disapointed. I mean, come on, when the ganger baby dematerialised i was so expecting the doctor to offer Amy a jelly baby to cheer her up. But no.

As for fixed points in time, we dont know that Hitlers life and death is one in the current DW timetline. It may not be, in fact as things stand right now form the perspective of Rory and Amy, for all you know, Hitler may have survived the second world war and/or the war may have been longer and resulted in some sort of stalemate, and in going back to "Kill Hitler" he is making it as we know it.

Besides, time has been so constantly re-written in DW by now that you really should just relax about it, open the popcorn and enjoy.

popebenny16

ríomhaire wrote: »

Maybe Young River/Melody finds her way in 1930s Germany and decides that killing Hitler is probably a good idea and the Doctor is trying to find her and bring her back to Rory and Amy.

when you see that child regenerating (note I am not naming her) it could have been in the 30's or 40's.

iMax

Have I missed something? Who was the regenerating child in the orphanage ?

ríomhaire

iMax wrote: »

Have I missed something? Who was the regenerating child in the orphanage ?

River Song who is also Melody Pond who is also Rory and Amy's daughter who is also a Timelord.

MrVestek

popebenny16 wrote: »

when you see that child regenerating (note I am not naming her) it could have been in the 30's or 40's.

ríomhaire wrote: »

River Song who is also Melody Pond who is also Rory and Amy's daughter who is also a Timelord.

Whoops :P

But no one is sure whether it's her we see regenerate...

pixelburp

Deleted User wrote: »

But no one is sure whether it's her we see regenerate...

We're still not sure that the wee girl is River Song though - do we? I don't think there's anything definitively pointing to that ...

McLoughlin

Surely and technically she is part Gallifreyan rather than a Timelord.

Banjo Fella

pixelburp wrote: »

We're still not sure that the wee girl is River Song though - do we? I don't think there's anything definitively pointing to that ...

Yeah, it hasn't been explicitly stated yet, though there was a little flashback that suggested they could be the same person. It was while the Doctor was considering why Kovarian would want to use Melody as a weapon; he recalled the ruptured remains left after the orphan forced her way out of the spacesuit.

Between that and the photo of Amy and the child in the orphanage, this has to be the conclusion we're intended to draw... but it could be misdirection, too. Oh, Moffat, you card.

ríomhaire

McLoughlin wrote: »

Surely and technically she is part Gallifreyan rather than a Timelord.

Hard to know what to call it. None of her parents are from Gallifrey so it doesn't seem right to caller her Gallifreyan. Can we just say she has a time head?

Killer_banana

McLoughlin wrote: »

Surely and technically she is part Gallifreyan rather than a Timelord.

She is part Timelord. The Doctor originally said it was impossible as Gallifreyan's only became Timelords through years of proximity to the untempered schism. Than the Silurian said it was possible she could have human parents and still be part Timelord if she were conceived in the TARDIS while the TARDIS was in the vortex and since Rory and Amy were in the TARDIS on their wedding night...well I think you get it.

pixelburp

Btw, dunno where to put this as we don't yet have a full thread for 'Let's Kill Hitler', but a basic synopsis has sneaked out via a TV festival happening in Edinburgh, where there'll be a preview screening of the next episode:

In the desperate search for Melody Pond, the TARDIS crash lands in 1930s Berlin, bringing the Doctor face to face with the greatest war criminal in the Universe. And Hitler. The Doctor must teach his adversaries that time travel has responsibilities - and in so doing, learns a harsh lesson in the cruellest warfare of all.

Cookie33

pixelburp wrote: »

Btw, dunno where to put this as we don't yet have a full thread for 'Let's Kill Hitler', but a basic synopsis has sneaked out via a TV festival happening in Edinburgh, where there'll be a preview screening of the next episode:

In the desperate search for Melody Pond, the TARDIS crash lands in 1930s Berlin, bringing the Doctor face to face with the greatest war criminal in the Universe. And Hitler. The Doctor must teach his adversaries that time travel has responsibilities - and in so doing, learns a harsh lesson in the cruellest warfare of all.

I'd say this could be when the Doctor/Amy/Rory finds out about who River Song was brought up to kill, whether that be Rory or the Doctor or someone else?

When's the second part back on the screens?

Basq

Cookie33 wrote: »

When's the second part back on the screens?

According to this (news story written today):

The episode will be screened at the Edinburgh National Television Festival on August 26, and will likely air on the BBC and BBC America in September.

I'd say not long after the Edinburgh National Television Festival.. maybe first weekend in September.

MrVestek

Basq wrote: »

According to this (news story written today):



I'd say not long after the Edinburgh National Television Festival.. maybe first weekend in September.

and in so doing, learns a harsh lesson in the cruellest warfare of all.

I still reckon that Rory and The Doctor end up at odds with eachother, I can imagine Rory going ape**** at the fact that his daughter is being raised to be a weapon, and I guess the lesson for The Doctor is: First you kiss my Fiancé, then you **** my daughter? What the.... FFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

The above is marked in spoilers as my theory could give something away about the previous bits that have already been in spoiler tags ;-)


Somebody totally needs to cam this for the rest of us impatient feckers.

I do not condone piracy but in the case of a Doctor Who fan who will watch it on TV and still buy the box set when it's available it's totally totally justified. I'm impatient. :-)