" Respect the people, Respect everybody"

SDTimeout

Found this video on youtube there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJHy1M2oJMw

In the final, my friend and I decided to stage a pro wrestling match in the comp. We have faught each other everyday for the last 5.5 years since we train together, so instead of a boring fake BJJ match, we did a AWESOME Pro Wrestling match.

The crowd was very pleased with our performance, the judges and coaches were not.

We were disqualified from the match, and the whole comp (we also entered the open weight class). I didnt get a match, and didnt get a refund.

Thoughts ?

da-bres

this is great:)

chris and darragh did this before:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBkEZdI583A

Sid_Justice

fully support referees decision

da-bres

Sid_Justice wrote: »

fully support referees decision

Yeah actually it looked like a big enough competition, different if it was the finals in a local comp against your bast mate.

Pretty sure choke slams aren't allowed in BJJ either.

Still pretty funny though

Clive

Anyone who closes out a division should be disqualified, IMO.

Sid_Justice

da-bres wrote: »

competition, different if it was the finals in a local comp against your bast mate.

why? why not at least treat it like a competitive roll in the gym.

da-bres

Sid_Justice wrote: »

why? why not at least treat it like a competitive roll in the gym.

I personally wouldn't do it as I would rather do just that,

But I can see why two mates in the final would rather have some fun than fight each other. and from a spectators view, it is a bit of comedy:)

Can you see the fun side of it?? of course you can, your just winding me up

Clive

Sid_Justice wrote: »

why? why not at least treat it like a competitive roll in the gym.

Becos ju gotch to repreesen ju hacademie so we preten eez teamy esportchie. Ju make for you bradda lose, professor looky badj. Undastan?

Doug Cartel

Whatever about respect and all that, in a competition where you have guys trying to choke each other and break each others limbs, I think you have to take a zero tolerance stance to cod-acting whatever form it takes.

Sid_Justice

Clive wrote: »

Becos ju gotch to repreesen ju hacademie so we preten eez teamy esportchie. Ju make for you bradda lose, professor looky badj. Undastan?

exactly, sometimes i think the lads are eating too many acai berries

paulmclaughlin

Disliked the video

arybvtcw0eolkf

Doug Cartel wrote: »

Whatever about respect and all that, in a competition where you have guys trying to choke each other and break each others limbs, I think you have to take a zero tolerance stance to cod-acting whatever form it takes.

Tbh I've never seen it happen on a Judo mat and I'd be disgusted if I did.

Good call on the DQ... Pair of saps.

arybvtcw0eolkf

da-bres wrote: »

this is great:)

chris and darragh did this before:

Was that a competition?.

_oveless

Both videos seem very disrespectful, it's as if they don't care about the competition and the people who went through the trouble to organize and officiate it.

Sid_Justice

Estella Poor Loafer wrote: »

Tbh I've never seen it happen on a Judo mat and I'd be disgusted if I did.

Good call on the DQ... Pair of saps.

I have, friends of mine did it when they had to fight off in a bronze medal fight. Did a big pretend throw and the judges/refs staff kicked up a fuss.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Sid_Justice wrote: »

I have, friends of mine did it when they had to fight off in a bronze medal fight. Did a big pretend throw and the judges/refs staff kicked up a fuss.

Rightly so and I'm glad to hear it.

Imagine coaching a few younger lads or lower grades through a comp and they see someone getting away with pulling that stunt?.

Genuinely now, I'd be sickened...

And to think we give Krav Maga threads a hard time here for playing make believe!.

Thankfully I've never seen it.

Forest Master

Lighten up people - they're just buzzin'.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Forest Master wrote: »

Lighten up people - they're just buzzin'.

Are you a competitor?.

TrollHammaren

If I was in the ref's shoes I'd make the same call, but I'd still secretly find it funny. You can't be seen to allow horse-acting to go ahead with impunity, but I can't help but find it a little funny.

arybvtcw0eolkf

This...

Forest Master wrote: »

Lighten up people - they're just buzzin'.

And this... five minutes earlier.

Lead me to believe that your acting the sack here..

One more not in keeping with the discussion and I'll perma-ban you from this forum.

If you want "buzzin" take it over to the pro-wrestling people.

pablohoney87

You can understand two mates having a bitto fun in a grappling match as ive done too in the past. But I still competed to win the match and not act the muppet. Just tend to try out the crazy sh!t and have fun. Thats what the sports about to me at the end of the day. But the bollocks in that video isnt the sport.

Forest Master

Estella Poor Loafer wrote: »

Are you a competitor?.

Yes, I compete in no-gi sub tournaments.

My point is that the lads were messing around, they got DQd for their efforts - so how does it affect anyone else? It makes no odds. It's not as if either of them advanced.

Hanley

da-bres wrote: »

this is great:)

chris and darragh did this before:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBkEZdI583A

_oveless wrote: »

Both videos seem very disrespectful, it's as if they don't care about the competition and the people who went through the trouble to organize and officiate it.

The organiser of that comp is in the ring refereeing and he seems to be having the craic...

I dunno I'm very new to this whole Jiu-Jitsu game but I'd want to go against a training partner in a competitive match up. But that's mostly cos I'm sh*t and would get spanked...

tysonslovechild

In fairness it was only a bit of crack, and as forrest said neither advanced so didnt affect anyone else, plus the crowd seemed to like it. No harm done to anyone.

paulmclaughlin

Estella Poor Loafer wrote: »

Imagine coaching a few younger lads or lower grades through a comp and they see someone getting away with pulling that stunt?

Forest Master wrote: »

My point is that the lads were messing around, they got DQd for their efforts - so how does it affect anyone else? It makes no odds. It's not as if either of them advanced.

Your question was answered earlier.

Niall Keane

Why enter the same division? If I have two fighters same weight, I get the more experienced to move up a weight division, just as I was in my day, that way you dont waste your time competing against someone you can spar with any day of the week?

Charlie3dan

I can't deny I got a chuckle out of the vids but nonetheless it's not right. Either fight to win or don't fight at all.
I don't think you could say there was no harm done either. If I saw this being allowed in a comp I would be reluctant to enter that comp the next year. If I saw this behaviour being rewarded I would think less of the whole game.

Barry.Oglesby

Just re: the second video at my tournament. I didn't feel disrespected or violated at all. And I don't think it devalued the tournament. It was a bit of fun at a small tournament. If it was a larger one with more at stake I would have disqualified both guys but it wasn't.

I also hate bracket closing.

just-joe

I don't really see the laugh that other people are getting? Yeah in training mess around all ya want, but if its a serious competition, don't fcuk around. If you really don't want to fight your partner then don't do it, forefit the match.


People have trained and paid for the comp, so the other fighters should be respected, as the ref says.

Sid_Justice

da-bres wrote: »

this is great:)

chris and darragh did this before:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBkEZdI583A

wearing a blue tshirt there ... :P

_oveless

What does bracket closing mean?

Doug Cartel

_oveless wrote: »

What does bracket closing mean?

The guys from a gym won't fight each other and decide beforehand who will "win" if they get matched up. If the gym has enough guys, they have a good chance of meddling and getting a guy into the finals much fresher than his competitor who had to fight all the way there.

Killme00

_oveless wrote: »

What does bracket closing mean?

Two guys meet in the final and come to a gentlemans agreement as to who wins, sometimes rock/paper/scissors. It' often happens when team mates meet in the final but particularly with the big teams like Alliance and Atos. Gui Mendes and Ary Farias closed there bracket at the Mundials on Sunday with Gui taking gold and Ary silver.

Persoanlly i hate it.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Killme00 wrote: »

Two guys meet in the final and come to a gentlemans agreement as to who wins, sometimes rock/paper/scissors. It' often happens when team mates meet in the final but particularly with the big teams like Alliance and Atos. Gui Mendes and Ary Farias closed there bracket at the Mundials on Sunday with Gui taking gold and Ary silver.

Persoanlly i hate it.

Sounds more like those Pro Wrestling clowns.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Estella Poor Loafer wrote: »

Tbh I've never seen it happen on a Judo mat and I'd be disgusted if I did.

.

Today, I am disgusted.

Doug Cartel

Estella Poor Loafer wrote: »

Today, I am disgusted.

What happened?

arybvtcw0eolkf

Doug Cartel wrote: »

What happened?

Stupid carry on thats all.

nobbo

Estella Poor Loafer wrote: »

Stupid carry on thats all.

Something like this happen at the grading? Care to elaborate?

arybvtcw0eolkf

nobbo wrote: »

Something like this happen at the grading? Care to elaborate?

Nope, 'cause there ain't a thing I can prove.

But I'm an honest bloke and I said in the thread I've never seen someone act the sack, well now I did and just wanted to put that straight.

DavidPhelan

I'm definitely not a fan of having fake matches. Even myself and my brother ended up in a final and we were asked whether we wanted to fight?! Both of us didn't even blink, we just said hell yeah and we both went at it just like we would against anyone else! The same crap happens in MMA with team mates not fighting each other, it's a sport at the end of the day and although we train with a team and are loyal to that team, it's an individual sport.

I can understand Darragh and Chris messing around as Darragh is his coach but I just couldn't do it, too competitive possibly.

EnjoyChoke

DavidPhelan wrote: »

I can understand Darragh and Chris messing around as Darragh is his coach but I just couldn't do it, too competitive possibly.

Yeah, Darragh's not competitive at all.

DavidPhelan

EnjoyChoke wrote: »

Yeah, Darragh's not competitive at all.

Didn't say Darragh wasn't competitive, he clearly wouldn't want to fight a student in a comp. In fairness, that fight wouldn't be much of a competition for Darragh!

Sid_Justice

Sid_Justice wrote: »

I have, friends of mine did it when they had to fight off in a bronze medal fight. Did a big pretend throw and the judges/refs staff kicked up a fuss.

Sickening stuff.