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    #272
    Falcon.ie
    Registered Users Posts: 214 ✭✭Falcon.ie


    Can people please Specify when saying there are either no jobs available or only short term work available. It seems to me when people say this it's only for cetain sectors, or Specific jobs.... The best I saw was a poster saying there was no jobs whatsoever in Melbourne, only to correct himself at the end of the post and say he only applied for Accountancy jobs...

    I've recently had 6 friends head over and pick up jobs within the first 2 weeks. 4 of those inside the first week. Albeit not in Engineering or Accounting jobs, they picked up jobs at the lower end of the scale. 2 in callcenter's and the other 4 in hospitality sector. And they're happy with those jobs as starting points.

    Alot of people are coming on here and making definite statements, "You won't get a job inside the first month", "There's nowhere near as many jobs as people think". There's work there for you if you want to work. It may not be the exact job you want. But it's work.


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    #273
    Zambia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    mandrake04 wrote: »
    All a visa does is enable a non-citizen to legally enter the country.

    If you enter Australia on a PR visa and stay for the rest of your life as a 'Resident' you won't be deported unless the minister cancels your 'Resident status' which he can do (eg. Bad criminal record) so it permanent in that respect. Which I suspect you are eluding to Zambia.
    Exactly right
    mandrake04 wrote: »
    Thousands of people lose PR every year, so is it exactly what it says on the tin? I hardly think so.
    Yes but in Essence if you are given a Permanent Visa you are given the right to live in Australia Permanently. Hence my tin comment.

    There is no end date to it.

    These thousands of people who lose PR why do they lose it ? I am assuming they just dont take up the offer as they decide to stay where they are due to changing circumstances? Or come to Australia realise they don't like it and go home.


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    #274
    mandrake04
    Registered Users Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    Zambia wrote: »
    There is no end date to it.

    I think you are getting confused

    The visa has an end date, the visa is only the means to enter the country.

    The Resident status has no end date.

    When you are granted a PR visa you are also granted the Resident Status, All it means is that if you are stopped for speeding you wont automatically find yourself bunk mates with an Afghani nutjob in the Detention centre while waiting for your flight back to Ireland.

    You are good to stay legally.

    But the visa ends after 5 years then you still need something to travel in and out of the country because you are a Non-National, if you lose the right to enter Australia on a visa with Permanent Resident status your lose your resident Status.

    It seems you have to be living in Australia for at least 2 years out of every 5 to keep your PR otherwise you could lose it, so its not a permanent as you think.
    Zambia wrote: »

    These thousands of people who lose PR why do they lose it ? I am assuming they just dont take up the offer as they decide to stay where they are due to changing circumstances? Or come to Australia realise they don't like it and go home.

    They lose it because they lived outside Australia for too long, its all there on the Internet

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_permanent_resident

    http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/95documents.htm

    Like I say if you have compelling reasons they might grant yo an RRV even if you let your last RRV lapse without the 2 years requirement.

    Stuff like your kids were born in Australia, all your family lives there or you might own a few properties there.

    or apply for a Former resident visa of which you would claim Long Residence (have spent nine out of your first 18 years in Australia as an Australian permanent resident)


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    #275
    mandrake04
    Registered Users Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    Falcon.ie wrote: »
    Can people please Specify when saying there are either no jobs available or only short term work available. It seems to me when people say this it's only for cetain sectors, or Specific jobs.... The best I saw was a poster saying there was no jobs whatsoever in Melbourne, only to correct himself at the end of the post and say he only applied for Accountancy jobs...

    I've recently had 6 friends head over and pick up jobs within the first 2 weeks. 4 of those inside the first week. Albeit not in Engineering or Accounting jobs, they picked up jobs at the lower end of the scale. 2 in callcenter's and the other 4 in hospitality sector. And they're happy with those jobs as starting points.

    Alot of people are coming on here and making definite statements, "You won't get a job inside the first month", "There's nowhere near as many jobs as people think". There's work there for you if you want to work. It may not be the exact job you want. But it's work.

    I am sure there are plenty of jobs if you look hard enough, even if it is not what you want to do or is for crap money etc.

    But there is no cast iron guarantee that when you arrive Australia you will get work within a specified time. That's just silly.

    You should read this to get a better Idea. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=59155331


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    #276
    stellapolanski
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7 ✭stellapolanski


    Mandrake04, I wasn't talking about PR - I dont have permanent residency.Its a little known special category one that I got because my long term partner is a Kiwi.

    Anyway, I understand what people are saying about finding work and that its gonna depend on how "picky" you are as to how long you have to wait to find something. As I'm here on a permanent basis and not desperate in terms of money for work, I am desperate in terms of my own sanity! So back to my question...what kind of approach have people taken to these recruitment agencies? I had an interview with one almost a week ago, and was promised a call back the next day but no call has come. I have tried a few times to call back and leave messages but still no response. Don't want to keep calling as have been in sales before and know about "fear of loss" - basically not looking like you actually need the job. I just dont know of they come up trumps for people so don't want to waste my time if theyre no good.

    Any advice on the recruitment agencies in Melbourne would be great. Chur.


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    #277
    mandrake04
    Registered Users Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    stellapolanski wrote: »
    Mandrake04, I wasn't talking about PR - I dont have permanent residency.Its a little known special category one that I got because my long term partner is a Kiwi.

    In fairness I never said you were, my reply was to ellaq in regards to her never hearing of a 5 year visa.

    A permanent resident visa only lasts 5 years.


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    #278
    irishmover
    Registered Users Posts: 4,746 ✭✭✭irishmover


    mandrake04 wrote: »
    stellapolanski wrote: »
    Mandrake04, I wasn't talking about PR - I dont have permanent residency.Its a little known special category one that I got because my long term partner is a Kiwi.

    In fairness I never said you were, my reply was to ellaq in regards to her never hearing of a 5 year visa.

    A permanent resident visa only lasts 5 years.

    But you don't have to leave after the 5 years. So if you don't leave the country again you don't need a new visa and won't be deported. Just need to get a resident return visa if you leave the country and want to go back.

    Right?


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    #279
    mandrake04
    Registered Users Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    irishmover wrote: »
    But you don't have to leave after the 5 years. So if you don't leave the country again you don't need a new visa and won't be deported. Just need to get a resident return visa if you leave the country and want to go back.

    Right?

    Yeah that's what I wrote in my Previous posts, its pretty clear.

    There is a difference between a visa and Resident status that's where everyone gets confused, you can live indefinitely in Australia after the visa runs out but a visa only has a finite life.

    If you are living in Australia and your visa had ended you are free to leave at any time but as a non-citizen you wont get back in without a valid visa, so before you leave you should apply for a 5 year RRV to get you back in.

    To get a RRV you need to be living in Australia for 2 years out of the last 5, if you don't qualify for an RRV you can be granted a 3 month Emergency RRV so you maybe can go back home for a funeral or visit sick relatives. This means that you have 90 days to return to Australia otherwise you wont have a valid visa and you cant resume your Permanent status.


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    #280
    karl bracken
    Registered Users Posts: 387 ✭✭karl bracken


    Hi stellapolanski

    With regard to recruitment agencies i found them a joke obviously there must be some good ones but trust me i dealt with a lot and it was the same thing from most no call back to messages and generally not really interested - this i find strange as they work on commission i think!
    My CV is decent and i work in IT so id imagine id be a good candidate but i think my main problem was being on a working holiday visa.

    A good website is applydirect.com.au this cuts out the middle man or just go to the companies websites.
    I got some info off seek and called the companies HR and tried that way.
    If you dealing with recruitment agencies i was told to try get a senior consultant or search for agencies that specialise in your particular field.


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    #281
    irishmover
    Registered Users Posts: 4,746 ✭✭✭irishmover


    Visa approved today, 3.5 weeks quite short processing time! Have to sort flights out with the company today/tomorrow.

    Cheers for the info Mandrake, didnt know the bit about emergency resident return visa. Nice to have the knowledge of it incase it is needed at some point in the future.


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    #282
    universe777
    Registered Users Posts: 469 ✭✭universe777


    karl bracken wrote: »
    Hi stellapolanski

    With regard to recruitment agencies i found them a joke obviously there must be some good ones but trust me i dealt with a lot and it was the same thing from most no call back to messages and generally not really interested - this i find strange as they work on commission i think!
    My CV is decent and i work in IT so id imagine id be a good candidate but i think my main problem was being on a working holiday visa.

    A good website is applydirect.com.au this cuts out the middle man or just go to the companies websites.
    I got some info off seek and called the companies HR and tried that way.
    If you dealing with recruitment agencies i was told to try get a senior consultant or search for agencies that specialise in your particular field.


    My experience exactly. When I come on here and say there are none or very few jobs in Melbourne some people say that's rubbish, look at all the "jobs" on SEEK?
    I would love to know how agencies make their money because very few of the jobs on SEEK are real, they repost the same ones over and over again.

    Why? to get you in for an "interview"...
    You are not getting a job, this is a meet & greet, they want to use your references for business development, and to make them look busy in front of the boss, meet their targets for business development calls and interviews.
    A good sign that a job ad may be real is that they will include their name & number in the ad.


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    #283
    TKline
    Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭TKline


    markymark21 wrote: »
    Alright guys just looking for a bit of advice here! Me and the GF are arriving in St Kilda on the 3rd of November.. We've booked a hostel in for 8 nights and by the end of that stay we're hoping to have work and an apartment sorted. Its going to be a pretty frantic first week i reckon! Just wondering is there anyone else who was in a similar situation? Are we giving ourselves too little time to find a permanent place to stay?

    Hi Mark,

    Here's a list of all the Australian state tenants authorities for advice etc about renting, tenants rights etc...

    http://www.australianpropertyportal.com/tenants

    And here's a list of Aussie property related research, auction results, house price data and other useful stuff...

    http://www.australianpropertyportal.com/Research

    Cheers,

    Tom


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    #284
    stellapolanski
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7 ✭stellapolanski


    Thanks Universe777 and Karl Bracken. Confirmed what I suspected. Had another "interview" with a different agency on Fri and it was all very positive etc. Wont be holding my breath on thsi one though. Will stick to Seek and applying directly for now and see where it gets me. And so Week 3 of job hunting begins....


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    #285
    irishmover
    Registered Users Posts: 4,746 ✭✭✭irishmover


    Got flight details today. Flying Wednesday morning!


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    #286
    markymark21
    Registered Users Posts: 595 ✭✭✭markymark21


    TKline wrote: »
    Hi Mark,

    Here's a list of all the Australian state tenants authorities for advice etc about renting, tenants rights etc...

    http://www.australianpropertyportal.com/tenants

    And here's a list of Aussie property related research, auction results, house price data and other useful stuff...

    http://www.australianpropertyportal.com/Research

    Cheers,

    Tom

    Cheers Tom, appreciated


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    #287
    sponge_bob
    Registered Users Posts: 665 ✭✭✭sponge_bob


    irishmover wrote: »
    Got flight details today. Flying Wednesday morning!
    GL


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    #288
    irishmover
    Registered Users Posts: 4,746 ✭✭✭irishmover


    sponge_bob wrote: »
    GL

    Thanks! Can't believe how quick it's happening.


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    #289
    jbyrne88
    Registered Users Posts: 5 ✭jbyrne88


    does anybody have advice on good/bad agencies to join in Sydney? Ideally I will be looking for accounts/admin job but I will take anything to get me started!


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    #290
    Caoimhin Ho
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭Caoimhin Ho


    irishmover wrote: »
    Visa approved today, 3.5 weeks quite short processing time! Have to sort flights out with the company today/tomorrow.

    Cheers for the info Mandrake, didnt know the bit about emergency resident return visa. Nice to have the knowledge of it incase it is needed at some point in the future.

    3.5 weeks? For what kind of visa?

    I thought the WHV is processed within 48 hours. Im flying in 3 weeks and just applying today!


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    #291
    irishmover
    Registered Users Posts: 4,746 ✭✭✭irishmover


    Caoimhin Ho wrote: »
    3.5 weeks? For what kind of visa?

    I thought the WHV is processed within 48 hours. Im flying in 3 weeks and just applying today!

    457 Business Long Stay Primary, 4 year sponsorship visa.


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    #292
    Munster_Gal
    Registered Users Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭Munster_Gal


    stellapolanski wrote: »
    Thanks Universe777 and Karl Bracken. Confirmed what I suspected. Had another "interview" with a different agency on Fri and it was all very positive etc. Wont be holding my breath on thsi one though. Will stick to Seek and applying directly for now and see where it gets me. And so Week 3 of job hunting begins....

    What kind of work are you looking for?


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    #293
    stellapolanski
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7 ✭stellapolanski


    Munster_Gal wrote: »
    What kind of work are you looking for?


    Im a trainer. So Ive been looking for call centre or sales/customer service/corporate training roles in large organisations. I have just finished the certificate that is necessary for this type of work in Oz - did it by distance learning when I lived in NZ. Have a good CV(I think!), all the quals and experience and a not too Oirish accent(if that makes a difference!). One of the recruitment agencies has kind of come up trumps for me as I have actual real interview with a company on Friday - well actually recruiter called it a "meet and greet" and then if I get past that there's the actual formal interview. Everything seems to move so slowly in recruitment here! No one in a rush to hire. In NZ, got a reply from sending my CV a couple of hours later, had interview next day and got a call that evening to come and train a group the next day! Have a feelin a dash of luck helps as well! Not going to get frustrated just yet, but dont want to still be unemployed coming into Nov/Dec when everything is really winding down...


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    #294
    Munster_Gal
    Registered Users Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭Munster_Gal


    stellapolanski wrote: »
    Im a trainer. So Ive been looking for call centre or sales/customer service/corporate training roles in large organisations. I have just finished the certificate that is necessary for this type of work in Oz - did it by distance learning when I lived in NZ. Have a good CV(I think!), all the quals and experience and a not too Oirish accent(if that makes a difference!). One of the recruitment agencies has kind of come up trumps for me as I have actual real interview with a company on Friday - well actually recruiter called it a "meet and greet" and then if I get past that there's the actual formal interview. Everything seems to move so slowly in recruitment here! No one in a rush to hire. In NZ, got a reply from sending my CV a couple of hours later, had interview next day and got a call that evening to come and train a group the next day! Have a feelin a dash of luck helps as well! Not going to get frustrated just yet, but dont want to still be unemployed coming into Nov/Dec when everything is really winding down...

    And are you here on a WHV? I found that seems to make a difference. Call centres etc wont take WHV. There's loads of telemarketing roles if you want something to keep you ticking over


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    #295
    stellapolanski
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7 ✭stellapolanski


    Munster_Gal wrote: »
    And are you here on a WHV? I found that seems to make a difference. Call centres etc wont take WHV. There's loads of telemarketing roles if you want something to keep you ticking over

    No, not on WHV. Got a 5 year visa and will be applying for PR, so hoping thats not got anything to do with it. Yeah I know there are options for short term but I guess because Im not desperate for money, and I want a long term position because Im here permanently Im wanting to hold out for something Im interested in. Im being picky basically, so shouldn't complain!


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    #296
    Munster_Gal
    Registered Users Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭Munster_Gal


    stellapolanski wrote: »
    No, not on WHV. Got a 5 year visa and will be applying for PR, so hoping thats not got anything to do with it. Yeah I know there are options for short term but I guess because Im not desperate for money, and I want a long term position because Im here permanently Im wanting to hold out for something Im interested in. Im being picky basically, so shouldn't complain!

    Oh in that case I think you're just gonna have to hold tough! The right role will come up it's just a case of waiting... You're probably better trying to apply direct rather than through agencies.


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    #297
    Mr Slow
    Registered Users Posts: 6,554 ✭✭✭Mr Slow


    Does anyone have any info on the Print Industry in Melbourne, even a good or bad vibe would be helpful, thanks.


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    #298
    Christy_C
    Registered Users Posts: 28 ✭Christy_C


    Munster_Gal wrote: »
    And are you here on a WHV? I found that seems to make a difference. Call centres etc wont take WHV. There's loads of telemarketing roles if you want something to keep you ticking over

    Call centers won't take WHV? Damn!


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    #299
    ellaq
    Registered Users Posts: 311 ✭✭ellaq


    Christy_C wrote: »
    Call centers won't take WHV? Damn!


    Too busy hiring ex soap stars. Thats what I remember it being like in Sydney. I did the evening shift and we weren't even allowed look at some of the more famous ex-stars as they finished their day shift. My friend went for an interview for a call centre in a bank and nearly swooned to see she was being interviewed by her teenage crush.


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    #300
    Christy_C
    Registered Users Posts: 28 ✭Christy_C


    That's actually a bit mental! Well here's hoping there is a lack of ex soap stars in Perth.


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    #301
    elliott550
    Registered Users Posts: 47 ✭elliott550


    Wow let me just say, it's not so easy. I was working for a company - a scam company, who paid vgood money (<snip) but I had major moral concern's about the business i was in, as a result I couldn' sell their products (imaginary condo's i a lot of cases (ie build date 2014- company already has plans to fold)

    Yea so looking work, had to leave, not so much work out here, big city, v expensive, esp if ur from the north.


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