Paul McShane Appreciation Society

tonycascarino

darkman2 wrote: »

McShane for the Euros!

As a supporter and not a player hopefully

keeponhurling

a fine big kick

thebaz

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

The hate he gets is pretty ridiculous imo. Though I really wish he had stuck something on that ball in the Stade de France...:(

gets a fair amount of stick for sure - but in fairness in the aftermath of Paris nobody gave him any for such poor defending - usually a brave player , but it was all about Henry rather than wondering how a ball was allowed drop in our box - he got of lightly on that one. Very average player , but what does that make me ?

LuckyLloyd

thebaz wrote: »

Very average player , but what does that make me ?

Well, he's 'very average' in the Premiership sense (probably 'poor' at that level actually). He becomes 'solid' in the Championship sense though, and if a League One club signed him he might be considered a key defensive building block. It's all relative.

In terms of what it makes you, think about how good you'd have to be to start for an Intermediate team in this country or get near a First Division squad...aul Paul McShane might as well be Messi as far as most of us are concerned. Was at the England / Ireland game there a few weeks back with a lad who played DDSL in the same age group as McShane. He joked when he came on about how McShane destroyed people at Joey's before making the move over to Utd. It's funny how we perceive things / how absurdly difficult the sharp end of the game is.

Then on the other side of the coin you have lads like Samaras who enjoy very average careers but rock up to major tournaments in the right context for their country and make a decisive impact in games on the biggest stage of them all. Strange sport.

CSF

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

or get near a First Division squad

Unfortunately, not very :-(

LuckyLloyd

CSF wrote: »

Unfortunately, not very :-(

Arrah, while Cabinteely have / had a few interesting characters and there is no doubt that players better than that level choose a job and intermediate / junior football I think you still have to be very, very good to cut it at that level!!

CSF

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Arrah, while Cabinteely have / had a few interesting characters and there is no doubt that players better than that level choose a job and intermediate / junior football I think you still have to be very, very good to cut it at that level!!

I'll give you this much, even the lower level First Division players (and by god there have been some awful ones), are better than people who aren't footballers

But I'll take some convincing to be told that some of the players I've seen at Shels since relegation are any better than your average LSL/AUL player. At Cabinteely, Cobh, or some of the now defunct (sort of) Galway LOI clubs that level has been lower again from time to time.

thebaz

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

In terms of what it makes you, think about how good you'd have to be to start for an Intermediate team in this country or get near a First Division squad...aul Paul McShane might as well be Messi as far as most of us are concerned.

thats my point - I played Leinster senior league for awhile ... but was way off league of Ireland - like McShane I was all heart (but in midfield) -- thats why I find it so hard to bemoan someone like McShane , when he would put my old slim bit of skill to shame

Paully D

Thought he played reasonably well with Hull whenever I saw him this season. Bruce being forced to begrudgingly acknowledge that he had been playing well and bring him back into the side after his (Bruce's) hissy fit was quite funny.

Playing with the 3 at the back certainly helped McShane in that sense though, I highly doubt he'd have been anywhere near as good in a 2 man CB partnership.

One thing I will say however is that McShane being let go while Alex Bruce was given a new contract was ridiculous and, considering there can't have been too much difference in what each was earning, was nepotism pure and simple.

keeponhurling

Lovely goal by McShane yesterday, captain fantastic led his team into the FA Cup quarters.

As he said himself, no point getting to the final at Wembley if you don't win it.

Could be a key man at Euro 2016.

ziedth

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Well, he's 'very average' in the Premiership sense (probably 'poor' at that level actually). He becomes 'solid' in the Championship sense though, and if a League One club signed him he might be considered a key defensive building block. It's all relative.

In terms of what it makes you, think about how good you'd have to be to start for an Intermediate team in this country or get near a First Division squad...aul Paul McShane might as well be Messi as far as most of us are concerned. Was at the England / Ireland game there a few weeks back with a lad who played DDSL in the same age group as McShane. He joked when he came on about how McShane destroyed people at Joey's before making the move over to Utd. It's funny how we perceive things / how absurdly difficult the sharp end of the game is.

Then on the other side of the coin you have lads like Samaras who enjoy very average careers but rock up to major tournaments in the right context for their country and make a decisive impact in games on the biggest stage of them all. Strange sport.

I would have been fairly ****e as a player (by our standards) but played for a half decent underage team. We played a young Noel Hunt once and he literally scored when he wanted. He might have scored 5 that day and just danced past everyone. I remembered his name because in my mind he was every but as good as Brazilian Ronaldo. It's frightening to think what you Ronaldo's/Messi's would actually do to an average local team at full tilt.

keeponhurling

McShane is back in the Ireland XI tonight v Slovakia.

Just in time to make his case for Euro 2016.

DUBACC

Oh dear!

Patser

Oh dear

O g.....

Vincent Vega

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGMuoxihmu4

A video from 8 years ago.
Don't ever change.

keeponhurling

I thought the obligatory mistake was out of the way after the first Slovakian goal.

Still though, great finish by McShane was the second one.

keano_afc

He was at fault for the first goal too. I admire his spirit and you cant deny he tries his heart out but he's not international class. That was a half arsed Slovakian team and he was out of his depth. There's no way he should go to the Euros.

The Mig

His 1st pass last night. Simple ball down the line to Christie. Goes straight into touch about 6 yards away from Christie. He's a liability!

Strumms

both McShane and Stephen Ward have 'liability' written all over them. McShane I thought with experience would iron the mistakes out of his game but no he really never fails to disappoint quite literally. Nobody as previously said can question his dedication and work ethic boy does he try but he isn't good enough at this level and too rash and error prone. He will probably go to the Euros even though we have better options. Ward will also go as we have feck all players who can play left full. In saying that neither can he though.

Leslie91

Seems like a v nice lad but his ship sailed and Columbus was on it.

keeponhurling

Strumms wrote: »

both McShane and Stephen Ward have 'liability' written all over them. McShane I thought with experience would iron the mistakes out of his game but no he really never fails to disappoint quite literally. Nobody as previously said can question his dedication and work ethic boy does he try but he isn't good enough at this level and too rash and error prone. He will probably go to the Euros even though we have better options. Ward will also go as we have feck all players who can play left full. In saying that neither can he though.

O'Shea, Keogh, Clarke, Wilson (if fit), Pearce and maybe Duffy should all be ahead of him.
There was also talk of Delaney making himself available in the case of an emergency*

* and yes, the prospect of McShane making the squad counts as an emergency

From RTE:
McShane misjudged a header just inside his own half after 14 minutes which allowed Eric Sabo to break through and pass for Miroslav Stoch to break the deadlock.
"The ball just bounced and I thought I could get there so I threw my head at it and he just got a flick over my head," McShane told RTÉ Sport.
"He broke through and squared it and they scored. It was bad mistiming from myself, maybe I should have just retreated back a little bit."
Just before half-time, it appeared that McShane had deflected Peter Pekarik's cross into his own net but he claimed Slovak attacker Robert Vittek had handled the ball.
"The second one, he got a run across me and I was thinking it would come at me mid-height.
"I was thinking 'I don't know how he's managed to get it in' and looking back he's thrown his hand across and got it on his hand.
As for his chances of making Martin O'Neill's final 23, McShane was brutally honest but not giving up hope.
"I don't know," he said. "It was disappointing on my behalf for the two goals tonight.

Francie Barrett

Agreed, the prospect of either Ward or McShane going up against quality international teams is just scary.

GLaDOS

Our options at lb are pretty sparse tbh. Brady is better further up the pitch and his defending can be dodgy at times. Wilson is struggling for fitness and game time this season. Not sure who else we can put at lb ahead of Ward? Clark maybe?

Strumms

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Our options at lb are pretty sparse tbh. Brady is better further up the pitch and his defending can be dodgy at times. Wilson is struggling for fitness and game time this season. Not sure who else we can put at lb ahead of Ward? Clark maybe?

Play Coleman and Christie as our fullbacks. Ok one would be playing out of position but whoever it would be would do a better job then Ward. I like Brady but not as a defender, he was caught out a few times when he has played there for us.

GLaDOS

Not a bad suggestion

SantryRed

Wilson can play left full. I'd play him there if we're playing 4-5-1 so Brady can be more advanced (and it really should be 4-5-1).

Frankie Lee

Derrick Williams probably should have been given a chance at this stage, not too many Irish left full backs getting chances at Championship level or better.

keeponhurling

Charged with violent conduct.

This won't help his Euro 2016 prospects,
http://m.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2016/0414/781882-paul-mcshane/

Bad timing, especially after his poor display and own goal in the last friendly