The Killing [AMC] [** Spoilers **]

DeWitt

I'm still watching. Teacher's definitely a red herring. It's going to tie in with the Dad's past crooked dealings and the Political side. Loving Michelle Forbes, her scenes are just heartbreaking. I'm also catching up on 'In Treatment' at the moment and she's wonderful in that too. If she's not nominated the systems is truly f'd up.

ixoy

Still watching! Think the show is very good and, yeah, there's red herrings but they're going to lead into some interesting plot lines in themselves.

Did have fun spotting all the sci-fi actors here - struck off 'The 4400' [Billy Campbell as Richmond], True Blood/BSG/Star Trek [Michell Forbes as Larsen], Lost [Alan Dale as the Senator], Stargate: Universe [the rich guy who Richmond visits who plays Volker], and BSG again [Sarah's fianciee who played Leoben].

RolandIRL

i'm really getting sucked into the show...atmosphere is brilliant. michelle forbes is brilliant as the griefing mother. loved the scene with the phone call as they discover Rosie's body.

ixoy wrote: »

Did have fun spotting all the sci-fi actors here - struck off 'The 4400' [Billy Campbell as Richmond], True Blood/BSG/Star Trek [Michell Forbes as Larsen], Lost [Alan Dale as the Senator], Stargate: Universe [the rich guy who Richmond visits who plays Volker], and BSG again [Sarah's fianciee who played Leoben].

there was also a brief scene with Brody from SGU

Aldebaran

I'm also still watching and loving it. I'm thinking right now that maybe the mayor has something to with it. I think the father's shady past will be another red herring and it's going to come down on the political side of things in the end.

ixoy

whiteman19 wrote: »

ithere was also a brief scene with Brody from SGU

Where? I'm terrible with faces but which one was he? I spotted nobody with that head of curly hair.

RolandIRL

ixoy wrote: »

Where? I'm terrible with faces but which one was he? I spotted nobody with that head of curly hair.

6 minutes into the 4th episode...that mop of hair is all straight for this...he's only in it for a minute or two.

missingtime

Just caught up on this and its a cracking show. Looking forward to the next one!

don ramo

yeah this really has been a breath of fresh air, its nice to have something to look forward to on a monday, with californication and shameless done for the year this and a game of thrones is now my monday fix:D,

i love how its playing off all the sides that are affected by the murder, it reminds me of the wire a bit in that way,

Richard Dower

Ep. 5 - bit of a mixed bag tbh....the pacing is glacial, and while not an issue for me with Rubicon it's becoming an issue with The Killing, i think because of the subject matter and how they deliver the plot points, there is no mystery imo with The Killing.

Each suspect and piece of info thrown up thus far....you KNEW it was a red herring, so in the next ep. when what you expect comes through it's not surprising or engaging.
This ep. we found out as expected the teacher while hiding something didn't kill her....it was heavily implied at the end the killer was someone with experience, able to eliminate evidence and perhaps a serial killer.

The reveal of who leaked the info in the Richardson campaign was again not shocking or that interesting. It's no Rubicon which had genuine shocks and kept you engaged. While Michelle Forbes is superb, the scene with her husband breaking down in the bathroom seemed forced.

It was OTT and trying to force the viewer to feel for this character, perhaps it was the setting or acting....but i didn't engage with the characters pain and breakdown. they are also giving Linden a backstory, my guess is she gets heavily invested in cases and they are hinting she's done this before Rosie and it took it's tole.

Liden's partner, implying heavily he's dodgy, maybe doing drugs or dealing....but then at the end he puts an envelope of cash into Larsen's family mailbox, ergo maybe he's not a bad guy. On paper this all sounds interesting right?, but for me and perhaps specific to this episode only it's just not engaging enough.

There are no real shockers or twists, plotpoints get telegraphed, your predications come through....perhaps the pacing and feel of the show is deliberate and they'll hit you over the head in later eps.

I do hope so.

T-b0n3

Yea I really thought ep 5 was just "meh". Nothing that interesting seemed to happen or anything. I did really enjoy the first few so hopefully it picks up again next week. Definitely haven't given up yet anyway.

expectationlost

Richard Dower wrote: »

Ep. 5 - bit of a mixed bag tbh....the pacing is glacial, and while not an issue for me with Rubicon it's becoming an issue with The Killing, i think because of the subject matter and how they deliver the plot points, there is no mystery imo with The Killing.

Each suspect and piece of info thrown up thus far....you KNEW it was a red herring, so in the next ep. when what you expect comes through it's not surprising or engaging.
This ep. we found out as expected the teacher while hiding something didn't kill her....it was heavily implied at the end the killer was someone with experience, able to eliminate evidence and perhaps a serial killer.

The reveal of who leaked the info in the Richardson campaign was again not shocking or that interesting. It's no Rubicon which had genuine shocks and kept you engaged. While Michelle Forbes is superb, the scene with her husband breaking down in the bathroom seemed forced.

It was OTT and trying to force the viewer to feel for this character, perhaps it was the setting or acting....but i didn't engage with the characters pain and breakdown. they are also giving Linden a backstory, my guess is she gets heavily invested in cases and they are hinting she's done this before Rosie and it took it's tole.

Liden's partner, implying heavily he's dodgy, maybe doing drugs or dealing....but then at the end he puts an envelope of cash into Larsen's family mailbox, ergo maybe he's not a bad guy. On paper this all sounds interesting right?, but for me and perhaps specific to this episode only it's just not engaging enough.

There are no real shockers or twists, plotpoints get telegraphed, your predications come through....perhaps the pacing and feel of the show is deliberate and they'll hit you over the head in later eps.

I do hope so.

when are you off to the US lecture on writing for tv RD?

missingtime

Totally have a crush on Mireille Enos.



Its like Gillian Anderson all over again.

Richard Dower

Episode 6 was by far the best of the season, tense, lots more action....Bennet is in SERIOUS trouble now!, taking a truck ride to a possible dirt nap, at least a beatdown being Rosie's killer suspect. But...we all know that is red herringville!

I'm not a huge fan of the show, i could take or leave it, it's pacing/subject matter/characters are not my cup of tea. I think the lack of posting/interest says alot.
There are no real shockers or interesting plotpoints, you know full well suspects are herrings, the show had initial buzz but has majorly watered down as it's gone on.

Game of Thrones and The Borgias are far superior shows, i get the show it's not supposed to be flashy or quick paced, but the actually delivery of the story is dare i say....boring.

Richard Dower

EW have an excellent article that mirror my opinions about the flaws in this show: http://popwatch.ew.com/2011/05/09/the-killing-clue-tracker-vengeance/

RolandIRL

It started off good and exciting, but i think it's a bit too long to go on for 13 episodes. latest episodes haven't been kept me enthralled like the first 3 or 4

don ramo

personally i like the slow burn aspect of the show, and as ive not seem the original danish version i dont know whos a red herring or not,

im really liking this so far, interesting caracter development, i can kinda see the mother going against everything thing she stands for and confronting bennet, i hope im proven wrong cause its a total sterotype, mommy makes daddy change only for a traumatic event to make mommy do what she made daddy stop, i hope they dot spoil the show with something stupid like that,

plus i find a lot of shows have massive followings but arent always discussed,

mewso

don ramo wrote: »

i dont know whos a red herring or not

Simple way to spot the red herrings. Are you watching the final episode of the season? If not then it's a red herring. It's an inherrent weakness of the concept if you ask me. Strangely the Danish version with a 20 episode run just about managed to be entertaining despite this problem although it had it's dodgy moments. I don't think the US version is coping as well.

Richard Dower

mewso wrote: »

Simple way to spot the red herrings. Are you watching the final episode of the season? If not then it's a red herring. It's an inherrent weakness of the concept if you ask me. Strangely the Danish version with a 20 episode run just about managed to be entertaining despite this problem although it had it's dodgy moments. I don't think the US version is coping as well.

Quoted for truth, that's the major issue....there is no really tension or hint of them trying to fool you or do something clever, you know anyone thrown up is a red herring, when the next episodes comes all you get that confirmed.

And i BET the killer reveal will be someone totally random not even in the core cast, i bet it'll be totally meh reveal.

seadnamac

I reckon it will be the Dads brother, that's he doesn't really have a friend at the school and the body in the rug was the missing Muslim girl. Or I could be completely wrong.

Edit: Just realised he's not actually his brother, just a close friend and work collegue. Anyway, the guy that says he has a friend at the school....

Richard Dower

Ep. 7 was boring as hell!......not only that they totally undone Rosie's dad driving Bennett to a beatdown or dirtnap, what crap!, seriously....it really pissed me off, it's like they build a situation up only to reset it the next week.

My guess is the missing Muslim girl was an honor killing, that Bennett and Muhammed were the two carying out the body in the carpet from Bennett's house. And the end....in the meat locker, is the dead Muslim girls body.

Not sure what the FBI sting was, probably some racist/terrorist thing that someone phoned in, might also be it wasn't Rosie who called to Bennetts house with the Koran but the Muslim girl.

All in all it was very drab and boring, these red herrings; resets and blatant "grief porn" is becoming tiresome, they are trying too hard to make us feel for these parents, it's forced and not natural.

C4 pick up The Killing: http://www.digitalspy.ie/ustv/news/a318927/the-killing-to-air-on-channel-4.html

don ramo

Richard Dower wrote: »

Ep. 7 was boring as hell!......not only that they totally undone Rosie's dad driving Bennett to a beatdown or dirtnap, what crap!, seriously....it really pissed me off, it's like they build a situation up only to reset it the next week.

My guess is the missing Muslim girl was an honor killing, that Bennett and Muhammed were the two carying out the body in the carpet from Bennett's house. And the end....in the meat locker, is the dead Muslim girls body.

Not sure what the FBI sting was, probably some racist/terrorist thing that someone phoned in, might also be it wasn't Rosie who called to Bennetts house with the Koran but the Muslim girl.

All in all it was very drab and boring, these red herrings; resets and blatant "grief porn" is becoming tiresome, they are trying too hard to make us feel for these parents, it's forced and not natural.

C4 pick up The Killing: http://www.digitalspy.ie/ustv/news/a318927/the-killing-to-air-on-channel-4.html

it called story telling, your just to used to CSI:D,

this is probably more realistic in the fact that they keep on getting pulled away from the main case, which probably happens a lot, murders arent solved in a day, this episode could expand the series a bit more, maybe bring a few more murders into it,

also if you apply the logic that anyone in the first 3 episode are going to be red-herrings nobody would ever watch the first 20 episodes of any series ever, if your looking for the killer that early your not gonna be interested in the caracters at all,

Richard Dower

^ but your logic dosen't apply to this show, because it's very obvious suspects are red herrings, there is no mystery to it.

don ramo

Richard Dower wrote: »

^ but your logic dosen't apply to this show, because it's very obvious suspects are red herrings, there is no mystery to it.

for all we know the father might have had an arguement with her that got out of hand and he killed her by accident

Richard Dower

^ if that comes to pass, i'll thank you in every single post you make.

randomchild

I think the problem with this series is that in the original the investigation itself was, while it was the focal point, the real meat of the series was in the effect it had upon Sarah and the department, the parents and the political race. With this, the conga line of red herrings that is the first half of the story was not too detrimental, as the failings of the investigation team delivered great drama in itself. I know its probably been said to death, but if you really want to see this story told right, watch the far superior danish original.

Richard Dower

IT'S ALWAYS BLOODY RAINING IN SEATTLE! :mad:

DeWitt

I feel so sorry for Michelle Forbes. Every scene she's in she has to bring the tears & raw emotion. Ugh, worst job in the World.

Conor108

I've been putting this off because I didn't think I'd like it but its awesome! Caught up over the last while. Pretty sure Jasper's house/mansion is the same house the Greystones lived in in 'Caprica'. Also Brody & Volker from SGU are in this! Delira!

Richard Dower

To be fair to the show....i've no idea thus far who killed Rosie, that's usually a good thing, but with this show....i don't really care!



^ who do you think killed Rosie?

http://suspecttracker.amctv.com/

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

I don't actually care

I dont even know why im still watching it, I just find myself with some cooking to do or dinner to eat so I download the episode and stick it on cos there's nothing else.

seadnamac

Yep, that's the thing, they haven't given us any reason to care about who bloody killed her besides the parents mournful expressions and all the bloody rain.

ixoy

seadnamac wrote: »

Yep, that's the thing, they haven't given us any reason to care about who bloody killed her besides the parents mournful expressions and all the bloody rain.

Very good point. In Twin Peaks we learnt about who.Laura Palmer was whereas we don't care. It had interesting side plots too and humour amidst the bleak. This is bleak but also a bit dull. I don't really care either but will see it through for the four episodes left.

expectationlost

well obviously those chose to do this on purpose a those left behind kind of thing, echoed by the politicians loss of his own wife.

don ramo

well thats bennet 100% ruled out, i wonder if its gonna swing back to some kind of poilitical angle,

i wonder why richmonds is so hightlighted by the show, is he gonna come into it with some other angle or is it someone hes been talking to, are they trying to introduce us to the killer through richmond, i am wondering if its drexler, but also do the writers want me to think that,

Richard Dower

don ramo wrote: »

well thats bennet 100% ruled out, i wonder if its gonna swing back to some kind of poilitical angle,

i wonder why richmonds is so hightlighted by the show, is he gonna come into it with some other angle or is it someone hes been talking to, are they trying to introduce us to the killer through richmond, i am wondering if its drexler, but also do the writers want me to think that,

Yup, to be fair i thought that ep. was the best of the season, but...predicatble resets :rolleyes: , who didn't know Bennet wasn't the killer?....i sure did, how?....it wasn't episode 13 + every ep. has a red herring.

Also knew Bennet would get beaten to a pulp by grief stricken dad. Nice one though Mitch finding the pink top in the dryer...lol, she totally set Bennet up for a beatdown.

But, did you see the creepy family friend? :eek: , he's mental that guy!....while dad was pummeling Bennet he was beating up rocks! :eek:

He's suspect #1 on my list now....still a pants show overall. Also knew Mohammed was a herring and the reveal of how he was saving the Somali girl was another weak reveal. It's either the family friend, Richmonds male assistant or....someone totally random and not even part of the cast seen thus far.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

I haven't groaned in disgust like that at a television show since walking dead had those nasty nasty mexican men who turned out to be so nice and good mammys boys really, and weren't we just nasty white people for being so threatened by them in the first place

if you're going to include some moralist tripe in your tv show the least you can do is not be so god damn ham fisted about it

mikemac

Richard Dower wrote: »

But, did you see the creepy family friend? :eek: , he's mental that guy!....while dad was pummeling Bennet he was beating up rocks! :eek:

I did a double take when I saw that.
Beating rocks

I went back to watch that scene to check I didn't imagine it, and I didn't. WTF?

I'd like a Q&A with the writers over that one.

Loving this series though, watched all available episodes on a blitz over the weekend!

expectationlost

imdb's theory is that he was damaging his hands so they could cause confusion about who beat bennet, but don't go to that thread as there is a spoiler

Richard Dower

http://www.tvline.com/2011/05/amc-renewed-second-season-mystery/

I think Sarah Linden is more famous now for her wooly jumpers then her sleuthing, adding to this....am i the only one thinking she's hiding a HUGE pair under them jumpers?

don ramo

Richard Dower wrote: »

http://www.tvline.com/2011/05/amc-renewed-second-season-mystery/

I think Sarah Linden is more famous now for her wooly jumpers then her sleuthing, adding to this....am i the only one thinking she's hiding a HUGE pair under them jumpers?

Mireille Enos was pregnant for the first 3 epsiodes (i think 3 anyway) that were filmed, so i suppose after they worked around the pregnancy they thought it suited the caracter well to wear heavy wooly jumpers, which makes sense looking at the seattle weather:D

still i do find it odd they havent renewed it,

seadnamac

Nine episodes in and I've come to the conclusion that this show is just really, really bad. Terribly written. Who cares who killed her, they haven't even shown us anything about her life to make us feel sympathic towards her. It's got so far removed from the first episode or two it's crazy.

Richard Dower

seadnamac wrote: »

Nine episodes in and I've come to the conclusion that this show is just really, really bad. Terribly written. Who cares who killed her, they haven't even shown us anything about her life to make us feel sympathic towards her. It's got so far removed from the first episode or two it's crazy.

Well said sir!....it's my biggest issue with the show outside of "suspect", resets and red herrings. We know NOTHING about Rosie, at first i thought she'd have this murky background, i mean the first two eps. suggested this.....with that cage, sex, older men etc.

But since then, nothing....i don't care about Rosie, i don't feel connected to her or care about ANY of the characters, they all come across as lowlife scumbags and dirty. Even the cops....Linden is like a tinker, she looks like she sleeps in the same clothes every night.

Her partner is a lanky and skinny looking druggie, i've never seen such an unattractive cast in my life!, yes i *get* it's supposed to be real people, real life.....but does everyone have to dress like they live on the street?

Ugh!....this show bugs me, i'll see it to the end of this season, if it's renewed i will NOT watch.

Conor108

In spite of all the problems about Rosie's background, I like it! The episodes fly by, I hit play and before I know it, theres the little montage of everyone at the end.

Richard Dower

Ep. 10 - pretty decent!....so Belko eliminated as a suspect, Richmond = possible new suspect!, so was Rosie taking money out of the parents account and what?....spending it at the casino?

Or, maybe a secret BF who was in debt to a casino and she was taking money to pay it off?, i wonder if the mayor or the minted dude who gave Richmond $5 million is associated with the casino?

The interrogation of Belko was pretty good!...still very slow though, i don't think Richmond did it, too obvious a red herring. But still....she was found in the campaign car, unless her secret BF needed a ride to the casino, she knew where to get one from the car lot etc.

They really NEED to step it up now!....only three left, my fear is with the pacing they might not even reveal the bloody killer!, it might end on a cliffhanger hoping for season 2, then it'll probably wrap the Rosie killing in the first two eps. of season 2 while starting a new murder arc...argh!!

IMDB posters, lots of them....are pointing the finger at the mayor, it makes sense as i'm sure Richmond will become mayor. The policital aspect is not random, it has to be involved somehow. lol...i love guessing games!

seadnamac

I reckon it's Aunt Terry. They showed her having a bit of a melt down in an earlier episode and they haven't returned to it since. It may prove to be important.

mikemac

Some TV shows and films can do wonders for tourism
This show isn't going to do much for wet, dreary Seattle though. Ah, I know it's just TV but does it ever stop raining?

I love these shows when it's one case and not a new case every week like Criminal Minds

But I've zero empathy with Rosie, I know little about her. And from what it looks like he had a boyfriend, was heading to casinos at all hours and possibly cleared out the family's live savings.

I'll be interested how this ends up and I definitely don't think it was that candidate for mayor.

Feel sorry for the finance, he's getting screwed around

Oh and I'd recommend Murder One if you're liking this show. From 1996 and superb!

seadnamac

What a waste of time that was. I know the point of the episode was to develop the characters of the two leads and show us the relantionship that has built between them, but it was way too late and way too boring. God I've really grown to seriously dislike this show and all the half-assed brooding characters in it.

el dude

What were they thinking, giving us that kind of episode so late on in the season? Would have played much better about three episodes ago.

And I'm still not sure how I'm supposed to feel about Lyndon. I just cant sympathise with her because whenever anyone tells her something just doesn't want to hear, but knows is true, she stamps her feet and throws a tantrum.

mikemac

Weakest episode of the series so far.

And this stage I'm starting to lose interest but with just two episodes left will finish it off.

I still know little about Rosie and the two detectives are incredibly unlikeable.

It's going downhill

Richard Dower

Have to mirror everyone above....terrible half assed poorly written episode. The shocking thing is it was written by Veena Sud, the bloody show producer/creator!!
Shockingly bad, i *get* what they were trying to do, show parralells between the two detective and her "missing" child to juxtaposition that of Rosie and the Larsen parents.

But it was terribly done, more the very poor writing and dialogue, Linden was like a foot stamping brat, lanky scrawny dude with all his "homie" lingo is REALLY annoying!....honestly, i loathe both of these characters immensly.

If Enos gets a gong for her "acting" i'll be super pissed!, and Forbes started good...maybe 3/4 eps. but she's been piss poor since. Weekly this show has dropped in quality...imo it does NOT deserve a second season!

I'm more annoyed now that AMC cancelled a QUALITY show like Rubicon for this muck!!