The Killing [AMC] [** Spoilers **]

don ramo

seadnamac wrote: »

You're jumping to conclusions there and it's actually completely false. If you read the interview that was posted earlier, Veena Sud said that is the ending they had planned from the start, that there was no alternative ending and that they had no idea whether they would get a second season. It wasn't promoted as a multi season show, it was promoted as 'Who Killed Rosie Larsen?'.

seadnamac wrote: »

http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching/posts/interview-the-killing-showrunner-veena-sud-on-the-season-finale

That's the interview I was talking about. She explicitly states this was always going to be the ending even though she didn't know there would be a second season. If there was there is no reason for her to lie about it, it would make sense and might actually show that she had some sort of a clue what she was doing from the start.

this interview where she stated that the ending was always planned that way, so you think she planned an ending like that and she in no way wanted a second season

seadnamac

don ramo wrote: »

this interview where she stated that the ending was always planned that way, so you think she planned an ending like that and she in no way wanted a second season

Jesus. They had one season. One. 13 episodes. They had no idea whether or not they were getting a second season. They wrote one season with that specific ending. That's all they had planned. There has been lots of links posted in this thread that confirms this. I'm not posting them for you again, go back and find them.

don ramo

seadnamac wrote: »

Jesus. They had one season. One. 13 episodes. They had no idea whether or not they were getting a second season. They wrote one season with that specific ending. That's all they had planned. There has been lots of links posted in this thread that confirms this. I'm not posting them for you again, go back and find them.

of course all they got was one season thats how shows work, you get one season and you plan to have more, i was on about the showrunners planning for more than one season, which any smart person would do, thats why it ended the way it did, i wasnt saying it was ordered for multiple season, i way saying that the showrunners were planning it for multiple seasons, obviously it has to be renewed by the networks, its all down to them if they give another season,

there are countless show that got cancelled after one season leaving cliffhangers, its the risk any showrunner takes,

Richard Dower

^ and if AMC cancelled it?....yeah, we'd be fuc*ed!!...no resolution, no answer as to who killed Rosie.....*THAT* is the point!!!!!!!!!!

AMC only renewed after episode 12 fgs!, bottom line....Sud and AMC agreed to make a show which had a high probability of cancellation, a show that was about one thing...who killed Rosie, they played the public, everyone belived it was one killing per season and at the end you'd find out who dun it.

They deliberately mislead the viewers.

Richard Dower

don ramo wrote: »

of course all they got was one season thats how shows work, you get one season and you plan to have more, i was on about the showrunners planning for more than one season, which any smart person would do, thats why it ended the way it did, i wasnt saying it was ordered for multiple season, i way saying that the showrunners were planning it for multiple seasons, obviously it has to be renewed by the networks, its all down to them if they give another season,

there are countless show that got cancelled after one season leaving cliffhangers, its the risk any showrunner takes,

We're not talking about a normal show, this is AMC....the premise of the show was a seralised show about a singular killing, everything AMC did to promote the show was geared toward the premise you'd find out who killed Rosie by episode 13.

don ramo

^ fair enough you feel hard done by, i dont, it doesnt bother me that it wasnt wrapped up in a nice neat little package, and shows they had a confidence in the show they made,

there might have been a backlash but chances are it wont affect the viewing numbers massively next season, or i could end up eating my words, suppose well just have to wait,

DeepBlue

don ramo wrote: »

there might have been a backlash but chances are it wont affect the viewing numbers massively next season, or i could end up eating my words, suppose well just have to wait,

Chances are you're probably correct.
After all Lost spent 6 seasons promising "the answers you'll all been waiting for" with each promo and still didn't give a friggin' answer at the end of it.*


*Ok, slight exaggeration but you know what I mean. :pac:

The Black Oil

Caught up with this recently, haven't read the thread yet. Anyway, some thoughts.

I liked the near constant rain and overcast look. Let me guess, they shot it in Vancouver, yeah? I think the pacing was pretty good overall, seemed about right for the slow grind of police work, no fancy forensic wizardry. I liked how the shadow of suspicion shifted over the course of the case - Jasper, emo boy, the teacher, then Stan's assistant and lastly Richmond. But you pretty much always knew it wasn't who they were investigating, which can become frustrating. Glad they held off Stan kicking the teacher around for a while, could easily have gone for that too early, it was inevitable, though. Jamie in Richmond's campaign was quite a dick, but you probably need an operator like that. Richmond sleeping with the other campaign person was a little eye roll inducing.

Michelle Forbes, when you have an actress of this calibre you should give her a bit more to do. Granted, she did feel like more than a grieving mother, but was still lacking something from the writing department. However, after the end of ep 10 she learned about Stan's financial bother, which rounded her character out a bit more.

One main grumble I had from early on was that it conforms to the traditional cliffhanger type thing (even moderately so) at the end of episode to maintain your interest. I'd prefer if it just ended with a few scenes that just 'are', rather than trying to sell you the next ep. Not sure about how the writers were trying to create some of the layers in the show. Good to see the subject of female genital mutilation at least being mentioned in a fairly mainstream drama.

I did find the ending a bit 'ah, for ****'s sake'. I skimmed the reviews section on Wiki before finishing (without spoiling) and gleaned it would be either decent or quite frustrating. I'm happy there wasn't a clean resolution, that would have been pretty much impossible. The Somali community and other stuff didn't really go away and other ripples meant this was something big, maybe human trafficking and more. I'm OK with that.

At least Linden and Jack caught their flight this time. Rosie's character should have been served with better details on who she was, particularly given that we were pretty invested in how they found (and how long it took) her body. Apart from how she was as a student and her hiding stuff from her folks, what did we know? Her character was too vague. They could have done with a few pointed interrogation scenes, though they never really had evidence to bring anyone into the station. I got slightly sick of the 'you have no right!!' line being trotted out.

Must check out the original.

brian_t

The Black Oil wrote: »

Must check out the original.

The original "The Killing" is repeated on BBC4 at 10.00pm from Sunday to Thursday starting this Sunday 21st August.

Autosport

In the first few episodes it was interested kept you hooked but now I just couldnt care less who murdered Rosie, Dont think i'll bother watching the end of the season. :rolleyes:

Richard Dower

What a load of shiite!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad:

http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/01/11/the-killing-no-resolution-until-end-of-second-season-report/

Yet again Veena Sud taking the piss....saying who killed Rosie Larsen won't be revealed until the end of season 2 :eek::eek::eek::eek:

Feck that, no way in hell am i watching this show, they are taking the mick bigtime :mad:

http://www.spoilertv.com/2012/01/killing-season-1-killer-to-be-revealed.html

http://www.mydigitalpublication.com/publication/?i=93709&p=26

brian_t

Richard Dower wrote: »

Yet again Veena Sud taking the piss....saying who killed Rosie Larsen won't be revealed until the end of season 2 :eek::eek::eek::eek:

This reminds me of Twin Peaks. So maybe....

Declining viewer ratings led to ABC's insistence that the identity of Laura's murderer be revealed midway through the second season.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_Peaks

don ramo

Richard Dower wrote: »

What a load of shiite!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad:

http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/01/11/the-killing-no-resolution-until-end-of-second-season-report/

Yet again Veena Sud taking the piss....saying who killed Rosie Larsen won't be revealed until the end of season 2 :eek::eek::eek::eek:

Feck that, no way in hell am i watching this show, they are taking the mick bigtime :mad:

http://www.spoilertv.com/2012/01/killing-season-1-killer-to-be-revealed.html

http://www.mydigitalpublication.com/publication/?i=93709&p=26

ill be awaiting your weekly reviews with bated breath richard;):D

shed wanna be taking the piss dragging out a story over 2 full seasons, fair enough having a cliffhanger but not resolving it within at least the first 3 eps is a bad bad move,

Kiwi_knock

Can not see how they could stretch it out to a full season. They will have to change their suspect an episode style if they do. Still looking forward to this but feel now that it will be a letdown if it the murder is not resolved in the first few episodes.

dark crystal

Gosh, some people have no patience whatsoever!

I'm really looking forward to season 2 - I actually enjoy watching all the different stories and aspects of character's personalities coming out during the episodes.

It's not just all about who killed Rosie, it's the journey we are taken on to find out why she may have been killed and the motivations behind who may have killed her.

Someone else mentioned Twin Peaks and I would agree - the final reveal was great, but the journey getting there was what it was all about for me.

KeanSeenan

I know this is all about the 'rippling effect' of a single murder, but she's taking the piss. Seems like she's just giving the finger to the internet cause the finale was widely thought to be shíte. Although I've yet to finish Twin Peaks, past the premise I don't see many comparisons(Aside from the obvious ones of quality). The Killing spent too long teasing out red herrings, whereas Twin Peaks delved into the town and much more to lay a foundation for the second season. She shouldn't have told people it'll take the whole season, I'm curious to see what they do for the next 10 episodes but I can see myself getting bored quite quickly.

The Black Oil

Heh, that's not too surprising, although I do kinda like how they're not willing to bow to internet reaction/outrage and want to push on with whatever they're trying to do. Creatively, it mightn't be great and it's pretty unlikely I'll be on board for season 2 of this, but maybe the mechanics of US TV some shows means it's easier for them to hang on to more or less the same cast, which I assume they're doing as they'll want to stretch out the Larsen family side of things. The first season contained some of the worst police work around, on that basis it might be a mistake to stretch it for another 13 episodes...I'm thinking US viewers won't be too forgiving.

Richard Dower

S2 premiere set for April 1st...not that i care or will watch: http://www.spoilertv.com/2012/01/killing-season-2-premieres-on-1st-april.html

Gerty

Richard Dower wrote: »

S2 premiere set for April 1st...not that i care or will watch: http://www.spoilertv.com/2012/01/killing-season-2-premieres-on-1st-april.html

I know you're annoyed. I'm annoyed too.

But i don't think i can stay away. I need to know who did it. But i don't know why i care.

colly_06

Bump for season finale

Any guesses on who the killer is?

It's not gonna be any of Richmonds aids, my money is on someone much closer to Rosie, maybe family.

robjones1981

colly_06 wrote: »

Bump for season finale

Any guesses on who the killer is?

It's not gonna be any of Richmonds aids, my money is on someone much closer to Rosie, maybe family.

Her aunt maybe?

her mother???

don ramo

ill say ames, what would her aunt be doing in the room with ames the chief and jamie, plus rosie clearly had an issue with a man seeing as she called her buddy crying about seeing "him"

EDIT
btw season 2 thread is http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056566122&page=4

don ramo

don ramo wrote: »

ill say ames, what would her aunt be doing in the room with ames the chief and jamie, plus rosie clearly had an issue with a man seeing as she called her buddy crying about seeing "him"

EDIT
btw season 2 thread is http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056566122&page=4

oh well, guess i was wrong:o

Nalz

Wow. I'm glad I watched this back to back and only recently.

Seems (and i can see why) how so many people would have got frustrated watching two seasons to find out who killed Rosie

The Black Oil

Apparently, season 4 will involve a

military school - Joan Allen has been cast.

'Allen, last seen in HBO’s Luck, will play Margaret O’Neal, the head of an all-boys military academy based outside of Seattle, who figures into Holder and Linden’s new investigation.' http://tvline.com/2014/01/16/the-killing-season-4-cast-joan-allen-netflix/

claiva

wtf ????
I thought it had been cancelled ????
Is it NOT cancelled ?????????

The Black Oil

Heh. It's been cancelled twice, and resurrected twice.

Season 4 will have six episodes.

don ramo

claiva wrote: »

wtf ????
I thought it had been cancelled ????
Is it NOT cancelled ?????????

netflix will be making the the 4th season, they went in with AMC on season 3, it was the main reason it was revived in the first place, they obviously had an option in there for a 4th season,

and netflix will be looking at rapidly expanding their content on the back of their 2013 success, so you never know if its a hit we may get a 5th season :cool:

Nalz

The Black Oil wrote: »

Heh. It's been cancelled twice, and resurrected twice.

Season 4 will have six episodes.

Just finished it...enjoyed it have to say

don ramo

pretty good season overall, there was pretty much no need for that ending, i never got that kind of vibe off them, but i suppose it kinda makes some kind of sense, there both pretty damaged people that take little **** and bounce of each other well,

the case itself was pretty good, though i was thinking after episode 2 that kyle was probably the colonels son, with the will and the way she acted towards him, and it was great seeing the skinner stuff also hanging over there heads, and you can understand why they didnt want to charge linden, after executing mills and all already, and skinners rank in the police,

noodler

Just finished Season 1 and 2.


I watched the Danish original and loved it.

And although I do think it sad that a remake was requried for people who can't bring themselves to read subtitles - I have tro admit that this series stood on its own merits.

From the second half onwards, it stopped being a direct copy and went on its own direction.

Starting season 3 now.

MS.ing

eh we know who killed her whats the point of another season. lol

cena

Anyone know the song played at the end to season 4

GeorgeBailey

cena wrote: »

Anyone know the song played at the end to season 4

Roxette, It Must Have Been Love.... or was that Pretty Woman. Get the 2 mixed up.

NinetyForNone

cena wrote: »

Anyone know the song played at the end to season 4

The Jezabels - Piece of mind.

(Had to look it up!)

Charlie19

Just finished season two.

Tell me this before I go any further, Does she change that feckin jumper?

cena

Charlie19 wrote: »

Just finished season two.

Tell me this before I go any further, Does she change that feckin jumper?

Same style jumper throughout

brianon

Just watched the final episode of Season 4 (netflix). So what did you all think of the ending ? Happy about it ?

Personally I liked it. My wife hated it and she is/was a huge fan of the show.

The Black Oil

Some thoughts in season 4 thread over here. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057180371

season 4 was average to poor imo. seasons 1 and 2 were the strongest.

Charlie19

I thought season 1 dragged on a bit and all four seasons could've been shot in six or seven episodes per season.

Holder surprised me in the end after turning out to be a likeable character, could not take him seriously early on in S1.

mrsdewinter

Started Season 1 at the weekend and right now, about halfway through, I'm about to cry with frustration.
I like Linden as a character, she's well-rounded and realistic but the show as a whole is waaaay too long.
The pathetic politician and his vile staff - who cares about the shenanigans with his campaign?
The police station where apparently everybody and anybody can wander in at will.
Rosie's parents went away for the weekend and didn't even drop her a text over the 3 days they were apart?
I'm only here, to be honest, because I want to find out who killed Rosie before I drive myself mad.