Erectile Dysfunction and Porn

Count Duckula

parker kent wrote: »

Where has anybody said that? Don't make stuff up to suit your own view.

Why not? It's exactly what the author of that video did.

And anyway, it's implied. That video is not saying that watching porn makes you unable to get an erection - it says that watching porn makes you unable to get an erection when having sex. We are therefore supposed to think that this is a bad thing. It says nothing about being able to maintain an erection whilst watching the porn that is causing this "problem" - in fact, I'd imagine the "problem" comes from the fact that these men are able to get an erection when watching the extreme porn and at no other time, supposedly.

Therefore, if being unable to maintain an erection whilst having sex but do so when masturbating to porn is a bad thing, we must therefore make the assumption that somehow sex ranks as more important than porn.

parker kent

Count Duckula wrote: »

Why not? It's exactly what the author of that video did.

And anyway, it's implied. That video is not saying that watching porn makes you unable to get an erection - it says that watching porn makes you unable to get an erection when having sex. We are therefore supposed to think that this is a bad thing. It says nothing about being able to maintain an erection whilst watching the porn that is causing this "problem" - in fact, I'd imagine the "problem" comes from the fact that these men are able to get an erection when watching the extreme porn and at no other time, supposedly.

Therefore, if being unable to maintain an erection whilst having sex but do so when masturbating to porn is a bad thing, we must therefore make the assumption that somehow sex ranks as more important than porn.

It is not implied. Given I am one of the few defending the thread, I am I presume one of the people you are referring to in that point. I am talking about how porn can affect SOME people. There simply are people who suffer from erection problems due to excessively masturbating with porn. Which does lead to different issues than having constant sex.

I have no issues with masturbation, nor am I saying one is better than the other. You have just invented that aspect to this debate. I have posted on the masturbation thread in TGC about how it is something all men should do regularly (allowing for differences between various sex drives).

We are saying that only being able to maintain an erection during porn is a bad thing (given many require harder porn to maintain an erection). Which is vastly different to your imagined ideas about the debate.

Count Duckula

parker kent wrote: »

We are saying that only being able to maintain an erection during porn is a bad thing.

Which is exactly my point. Why is it a bad thing? Because you can't have sex?

parker kent

Count Duckula wrote: »

Which is exactly my point. Why is it a bad thing? Because you can't have sex?

Talk about ridiculous logic.

Saying that somebody should be able to get an erection without hardcore porn is not the same as saying sex is better than masturbation. If you cannot see that logic, there is no point in me continuing this debate.

28064212

Count Duckula wrote: »

There's a clear bias in this thread from those who are known to despise porn supporting this video and it's meagre evidence with all their worth.

Lolwut? Who are these posters exactly?

Oh, and there's a big difference between being anti-porn (thinking that porn should be banned), and not personally enjoying porn.

Count Duckula wrote: »

That video provides next to no evidence and no studies to support their claims. It's crap.

You seem to misunderstand what the video is. It's not supposed to be a scientific paper, it's a presentation of their views and ways of dealing with ED which may be caused by porn. If you want links to their actual sources, start reading here: http://yourbrainonporn.com/understanding_porn_addiction

Count Duckula wrote: »

Eating corn may cause death by choking for some people some of the time. Should I create a thread with a poorly-made and poorly-researched video claiming that corn is, essentially, bad for you?

Where has the author said that porn is bad for you? Right at the start of the video, he says he does not want to ban porn, is totally for free will, and doesn't care what anyone does with their genitals

Count Duckula wrote: »

Which is exactly my point. Why is it a bad thing? Because you can't have sex?

Are you saying it's a good thing? Regardless, you've once again missed the point of the author. If someone's happy that all their orgasms come from porn, they're on the wrong site. The site is for people who have ED as a result of too much porn and want to change that.

liah

Count Duckula wrote: »

There's a clear bias in this thread from those who are known to despise porn supporting this video and it's meagre evidence with all their worth.

That video provides next to no evidence and no studies to support their claims. It's crap.

Are you effin' serious, like? The bias is in your head! I did not post this because I disagree with porn - it shows how much you actually know about me to even make that kind of attack. If you knew anything about me, you would know that I disagree with mainstream porn and abuse porn and that I have no problem at all with amateur porn or men using porn (at a normal frequency). The only thing I have issue with is my partner using it when he is living in the same apartment as me. If you honestly think I'm anti-porn because of that, then you need to get your fecking head checked.

Regardless, this is ridiculous - boards is supposed to be attack the post and not the poster and all you've done is slag me the entire thread and make the entire thing about me, ignoring everything else, including males who are interested in the subject matter. Have I done something to offend you personally? I always respected you as a poster but tbh it's sure as hell gone now.

Really doubt I'll be returning to this forum.

parker kent

Also, I'd recommend people look into the neuroscience of porn watching. Seeing that the brain considers masturbating whilst watching porn as identical to having sex, it is obvious why ED connected to excessive masturbation whilst watching porn would be a problem.

Porn does not cause us to think about sex. Rather, porn causes to think we are having sex. From the perspective of the brain, the act of arousal is not preceded by a separate idea, which we absorb via the television screen. The act itself is the idea. In other words, porn works by convincing us that we are not watching porn. We think we are inside the screen, doing the deed.

http://scienceblogs.com/cortex/2006/09/the_neurocience_of_porn.php

A different but similar blog is here: http://scienceblogs.com/cortex/2009/08/porn_and_mirror_neurons.php

It is an interesting area, one I'm going to look into a bit more.

Edit: Here is the link to the research he mentions: A functional endophenotype for sexual orientation in humans. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16979350?dopt=AbstractPlus

Delancey

The you tube clip is in my opinion little more than anti-porn propaganda beneath a thin veneer of ' pseudo-scientific ' talk that attemps to give it a voice of scientific authority.
Complete nonsense and anyone who believes it probably also believes the earth is flat.

parker kent

Delancey wrote: »

The you tube clip is in my opinion little more than anti-porn propaganda beneath a thin veneer of ' pseudo-scientific ' talk that attemps to give it a voice of scientific authority.
Complete nonsense and anyone who believes it probably also believes the earth is flat.

The video may have faults. But the underlying idea is actually sound and is similar to other views held by people in various related fields. Comparing the people who are being open minded to the possibility of it being true to those with closed minds and who refused to believe the earth was round is a little ironic.

RGDATA!

liah wrote: »

Saw this earlier on reddit, I haven't watched it myself, but if it's as good as people are saying it is there then maybe some of you might find it interesting.

i've started watching the video anyway, but i'll simply say it's a bit curious to start a thread about a video you haven't watched yourself

Jesus Wept

Video is silly.

Delancey

parker kent wrote: »

The video may have faults. But the underlying idea is actually sound and is similar to other views held by people in various related fields. Comparing the people who are being open minded to the possibility of it being true to those with closed minds and who refused to believe the earth was round is a little ironic.

Touche

I see your point but I equate this with the pronouncements that masturbation gives you warts or makes you go blind.

greengiant09

i'm kinda surprised by a lot of the negative opinions posted on this thread. a lot of people seem to think this is some kind of sneaky anti porn proganda.

well, as someone who suffers from ED, i actually found this video/theory months a go. i was looking for potential causes of ED.....nothing to do with anti porn material.

i can honestly say that in the midst of my porn fixed days, i could jack off to porn up to 10 times on some days. and what i noticed was i was looking for more and more extreme stuff to look at....stuff i would never do in real life.....

and then when it came to getting down and dirty in real life, i wasn't getting as much of a thrill and i couldn't get very hard erections.

i think this video has a lot of valuable info for ED suffers, i completely A- okay with people watching porn but you need to do so in moderation....when you start spending a few hours a day watching it, then it starts to become a problem!

finally, the proof will be in the pudding because on my searches for potential causes of ED, i came across a good few posts from people saying they believed their was a link between their ED and porn use.

parker kent

Delancey wrote: »

I see your point but I equate this with the pronouncements that masturbation gives you warts or makes you go blind.

But surely you can accept that there will be people with problems due to excessive masturbation to porn? As in the people who become severely addicted to porn. Sex therapists frequently state that the younger people who present themselves with ED are heavy porn users.

I'm not saying that merely watching porn leads to ED (If it did, I'd be fecked anyway :pac:), I'm just saying there will be people with problems. I'm not defending the video, just the idea that porn use can lead to problems for some people.

HellFireClub

greengiant09 wrote: »

when you start spending a few hours a day watching it, then it starts to become a problem!

But sure is that not (1) obvious and (2) the same with everything in life?!?!? If you spend too much time on boards.ie, you will run into problems in your life, if you drink too much milk, you will have health problems in your life, if you watch too much TV, same story...

parker kent

HellFireClub wrote: »

But sure is that not (1) obvious and (2) the same with everything in life?!?!? If you spend too much time on boards.ie, you will run into problems in your life, if you drink too much milk, you will have health problems in your life, if you watch too much TV, same story...

Then what is your problem? Surely they are right then?

Count Duckula

Well yes, but we don't need a thread stating that.

The very nature of creating a thread surely suggests there's something at play beyond the obvious - otherwise what's the point of it?

HellFireClub

Count Duckula wrote: »

Well yes, but we don't need a thread stating that.

The very nature of creating a thread surely suggests there's something at play beyond the obvious - otherwise what's the point of it?

That's my point up there... ^^^ We all know that a regular and unhealthy excess of anything is going to cause some sort of a defect, whether it be medical, financial, psychological, or whatever.

I personally do not think any teenager with an interest in porn is going to end up with ED, it's what you do at that age! You're genetically programmed to be absolutely all over the shop sexually in your teens, this extremely wooly analysis that attempts to push a kind of a "careful now Ted" attitude upon teenage lads, I think is just absolutely laughable.

We all do certain things at certain times in our lives. When you are 16, I think the least of your worries should be Erectile Dysfunction and you shouldn't be unnecessarily burdened at that age I think with seriously questionable media that is not grounded in any medical fact or analysis.

Feckfox

parker kent wrote: »

It is in no way like saying that. I don't get why people are so dismissive of the idea that porn may lead to some problems for some people.

Sounds like you are being too general. X may lead to some problems for some people. X could be anything, chairs, popcorn, sun and *gasp* even porn.

EDIT: Damn this point was already covered by too people. Oops.

LegacyUser

I watch porn regularly. no problems with ED but one thing I've noticed is not being able to ejaculate with women or it takes much longer than it used to. Especially slightly overweight/unattractive women. I often find myself thinking about a girl I'd watched in a porn clip whilst having sex in order to ejaculate . . . which does often help. Though at the same time I previously often thought of previous sexual partners whilst trying to ejaculate.

I haven't started looking at more extreme porn. That's been the same for years. The main thing I look for when porn browsing is girls that fit my "type". In my case slim white girls with dark hair.

Haven't been able to ejaculate with oral sex in years. That bothers me a bit. Maybe it is to do with porn - not sure entirely. Part of it is also the fear a girl would be upset if I ejaculated in her mouth. When I first started having sex I didn't know girls had a problem with that - which seems a bit stupid now!

There is perhaps merit to this video but can't be sure. It does mention my problem of taking too long to ejaculate. I have reason to believe I have naturally high testosterone levels and I also work out regularly so maybe I'm somewhat resistant to it.

One thing for sure is I can ejaculate whilst masturbating to porn very quickly. now I could also ejaculate almost as quickly from masturbation without porn - but even still - maybe having this ultra fast ejaculation could confuse the brain.

sam34

Count Duckula, after this post of yours on page 1:

Count Duckula wrote: »

What a surprise that a known anti-porn poster trundles in with a Youtube video telling us all how porn will mean we no longer get erections.

i issued the following clear and simple warning:

sam34 wrote: »

leave out the personal sniping please

but you ignored that and subsequently posted:

Count Duckula wrote: »

There's a clear bias in this thread from those who are known to despise porn supporting this video and it's meagre evidence with all their worth

therefore you are banned for one week.

28064212

Count Duckula wrote: »

Well yes, but we don't need a thread stating that.

Why not? So you're accepting that excessive use of porn may cause problems. That statement is enough, is it? Or do you think that exploring the reasons behind it and looking at possible solutions might be a positive thing?

HellFireClub wrote: »

I personally do not think any teenager with an interest in porn is going to end up with ED, it's what you do at that age! You're genetically programmed to be absolutely all over the shop sexually in your teens, this extremely wooly analysis that attempts to push a kind of a "careful now Ted" attitude upon teenage lads, I think is just absolutely laughable.

You still don't get what the purpose of the author is. It's not to warn teenagers not to use porn in case they develop ED. It's to help teenagers who have developed ED because of too much porn.

HellFireClub

28064212 wrote: »

It's to help teenagers who have developed ED because of too much porn.

And I don't accept that this situation really exists. I'm not saying that it NEVER happens, but I don't accept that there is any real basis for saying that it could be a problem for people of this age.

28064212

HellFireClub wrote: »

And I don't accept that this situation really exists. I'm not saying that it NEVER happens, but I don't accept that there is any real basis for saying that it could be a problem for people of this age.

It doesn't exist, but it does happen sometimes.... What the hell are you talking about?

HellFireClub

28064212 wrote: »

It doesn't exist, but it does happen sometimes.... What the hell are you talking about?

It happens so rarely as to not warrant a video clip claiming that it happens regularly or is an increasing problem for teenagers. It doesn't exist as a problem for the vast vast majority of young men, does that clear it up for you?

SugarHigh

HellFireClub wrote: »

It happens so rarely as to not warrant a video clip claiming that it happens regularly or is an increasing problem for teenagers. It doesn't exist as a problem for the vast vast majority of young men, does that clear it up for you?

But most problems don't exist for the vast majority of people, if they did they kind of stop being problems and just become the norm.

If porn can have the potential to cause E.D than to suggest it's an increasing problem for youngsters isn't that outlandish when the consumption of porn is obviously increasing. There has never been a generation with more porn than the current. I'm only 22 but when I was 13 all these video search sites weren't yet available so it was still mostly images. We also only had a family computer up until I was about 15, but today at lot of young kids have their own laptop from as young as 10.

28064212

HellFireClub wrote: »

It happens so rarely as to not warrant a video clip claiming that it happens regularly or is an increasing problem for teenagers. It doesn't exist as a problem for the vast vast majority of young men, does that clear it up for you?

Firstly, where's the "happens regularly" claim?

Secondly, you're missing the point of the site again. If there's only 10 people in the world that this happens too, then the target audience of the site is a total of 10 people. It's relevant to 100% of their target audience

parker kent

Feckfox wrote: »

Sounds like you are being too general. X may lead to some problems for some people. X could be anything, chairs, popcorn, sun and *gasp* even porn.

EDIT: Damn this point was already covered by too people. Oops.

You miss the point. The website is aimed at those people. It is aimed at the people who suffer from it. Whether people fall off chairs or whatever other facetious examples you wish to give, the website is aimed at people who suffer from ED. Everybody else who does not suffer from it is irrelevant. Hence my above post. There are people with ED. Many of these may be heavy porn users. There will be a correlation for some of those men. Hence the existence of the site and the video in the OP.

Feckfox

parker kent wrote: »

You miss the point. The website is aimed at those people. It is aimed at the people who suffer from it. Whether people fall off chairs or whatever other facetious examples you wish to give, the website is aimed at people who suffer from ED. Everybody else who does not suffer from it is irrelevant. Hence my above post. There are people with ED. Many of these may be heavy porn users. There will be a correlation for some of those men. Hence the existence of the site and the video in the OP.

Count Duckula wrote: »

Well yes, but we don't need a thread stating that.

The very nature of creating a thread surely suggests there's something at play beyond the obvious - otherwise what's the point of it?

Also.. the OP doesn't suffer from Erectile Dysfunction and didn't imply it even affects them. (A partner having it). They even claimed not to have watched the video!

HellFireClub

I've given up on this thead, it's just going around in circles...

parker kent

Feckfox wrote: »

Also.. the OP doesn't suffer from Erectile Dysfunction and didn't imply it even affects them. (A partner having it). They even claimed not to have watched the video!

I don't really see why you feel the need to point that out or how it is relevant. I know Liah is female, so it's pretty obvious she doesn't suffer from ED.

Why would you even think I was suggesting that? Whether Liah had E.D, had a partner with ED or had watched the video makes little difference to my point.

Yahew

I havent watched the video - but its been well documented in history that rich men who ran Harems needed more and more exotic sex to get an erection.

And note to some posters: not all anti-porn activists are religious. Some opposed are feminist, and others just think porn degrading in general to women. Particularly modern porn.

Not that it would prove the legitimacy of the video one way or the other. If you think that saying " That Video was funded by religious people" is an argument, think again, it i s no different from a religious person mocking an anti-Rapture video by saying " That video was funded by non-believers". Either the thing can be argued on it's merits, or not.

parker kent

Yahew wrote: »

And note to some posters: not all anti-porn activists are religious. Some opposed are feminist, and others just think porn degrading in general to women. Particularly modern porn.

Just to make another note, not everybody saying that there may be a link between ED and porn are anti-porn either.

Yahew

HellFireClub wrote: »

I've given up on this thead, it's just going around in circles...

And, also:


your argument was defeated.

HellFireClub

Yahew wrote: »

And, also:


your argument was defeated.

I don't think so, anyone who believes that 16 year old lads suffer from ED as a result of watching porn and nothing else, I think should continue to debate that here. However I have better things to be doing with my time than to be discussing irrational rubbish without a fact available to back it up.

HellFireClub

Yahew wrote: »

I havent watched the video - but its been well documented in history that rich men who ran Harems needed more and more exotic sex to get an erection.

And note to some posters: not all anti-porn activists are religious. Some opposed are feminist, and others just think porn degrading in general to women. Particularly modern porn.

Not that it would prove the legitimacy of the video one way or the other. If you think that saying " That Video was funded by religious people" is an argument, think again, it i s no different from a religious person mocking an anti-Rapture video by saying " That video was funded by non-believers". Either the thing can be argued on it's merits, or not.

If a woman wants to use her body to make a porn movie, that's her own business. It's bizarre that women through active feminism try to take this freedom away from her, in the name of furthering the agenda of women's rights, I find that to be absolutely weird.

parker kent

HellFireClub wrote: »

I don't think so, anyone who believes that 16 year old lads suffer from ED as a result of watching porn and nothing else, I think should continue to debate that here. However I have better things to be doing with my time than to be discussing irrational rubbish without a fact available to back it up.

Nobody has said on here that they suffer from ED due to just watching porn. It would be helpful if you argued against what people are actually saying instead of discrediting arguments in that manner.

28064212

HellFireClub wrote: »

I don't think so, anyone who believes that 16 year old lads suffer from ED as a result of watching porn and nothing else

...

HellFireClub wrote: »

I'm not saying that it NEVER happens

HellFireClub

28064212 wrote: »

...

A 16 year old could experience ED if drunk, or could have a medical condition that specifically relates to ED so therefore will have this problem throughout a lifetime, but I don't accept that it happens exclusively due to watching porn, not as a medical condition in itself.

parker kent

HellFireClub wrote: »

A 16 year old could experience ED if drunk, or could have a medical condition that specifically relates to ED so therefore will have this problem throughout a lifetime, but I don't accept that it happens exclusively due to watching porn, not as a medical condition in itself.

Nobody is saying it happens exclusively due to porn.

HellFireClub

parker kent wrote: »

Nobody is saying it happens exclusively due to porn.

So what other contributory factors are being discussed then that I've missed?

parker kent

HellFireClub wrote: »

So what other contributory factors are being discussed then that I've missed?

The whole point is that it may happen to some people. The website is for people with ED and it is saying that it can be a cause of ED for some people.

I obviously should not have to re-state that.

take everything

Yahew wrote: »

And note to some posters: not all anti-porn activists are religious. Some opposed are feminist, and others just think porn degrading in general to women. Particularly modern porn.

HellFireClub wrote: »

If a woman wants to use her body to make a porn movie, that's her own business. It's bizarre that women through active feminism try to take this freedom away from her, in the name of furthering the agenda of women's rights, I find that to be absolutely weird.

You seem to repeatedly infer stuff that isn't there.
That post said nothing about the merits of feminist views on porn.
His point was that anti-porn people include a variety of groups- religious, feminist etc. It was to illustrate that not all anti-porn people are religious.

There does seem to be an annoying pro-porn consensus in recent years (no doubt partly a groupthink kinda backlash against previous religious repression) where "porn is harmless" has become dogma and any analysis of its potential problems is reflexively dismissed.

I don't buy the notion that young fellows growing up today avidly watching hardcore porn, from their teens onward, will not be affected in some way psychosexually/in their relationships by this.

Feckfox

parker kent wrote: »

I don't really see why you feel the need to point that out or how it is relevant. I know Liah is female, so it's pretty obvious she doesn't suffer from ED.

Why would you even think I was suggesting that? Whether Liah had E.D, had a partner with ED or had watched the video makes little difference to my point.

I think it's quite normal for people to wonder what reason the OP had behind posting the video in this forum. There was no thought-provoking message with it, there was no question or opinions.. just the video - but the OP hadn't even watched it Threads generally need direction to have a purpose.

Your point was "porn may lead to some problems for some people". There's really nothing to discuss about that point. It's too general. Some things might happen sometimes.

That's why I quoted another user who dealt with that for you:

Well yes, but we don't need a thread stating that.

The very nature of creating a thread surely suggests there's something at play beyond the obvious - otherwise what's the point of it?

Count Duckula gets a warning for "known anti-porn poster trundles in with a Youtube video telling us all how porn will mean we no longer get erections" and then banned for "There's a clear bias in this thread from those who are known to despise porn supporting this video and it's meagre evidence with all their worth".

I don't understand why men require porn; I certainly don't need it to get off. I don't care about them masturbating or fantasizing as everyone does it, but imo it is not a basic human right to view porn and it is not something that has to take place in a committed relationship. I, personally, find it pretty disrespectful.

There's also the nagging thought about what it means in regards to how he views women, depending on the type of porn he's watching

I don't like sneaky porn in my relationships

I just have issues with what porn represents, the idea that men REQUIRE it and it takes precedence over how a partner may feel, and what the act of viewing certain kinds of it indicates about a person.

I wouldn't forbid it or anything but it's something that would always really, really bother me

I won't look at pictures of naked people who aren't my partner when I'm turned on because it's disrespectful to the person I'm with, and I'd expect the same treatment.

Neither are inherently wrong in most contexts, but when you respect your partner and choose them you give up on getting off with other people, usually.. and porn is other people.

I can clearly see the difference between using an object to get off and using human beings by objectifying them to get off.

I wouldn't give a damn, as I have said over and over, if my partner used mental images and fantasized. Literally everyone does. The issue is being unable to get yourself off without porn, and the disrespect of using it when being committed and living with someone

(Emphasis mine)

Boards is about attacking the posts and not the posters, not being a dick, and not getting personal.

If you honestly think I'm anti-porn because of that, then you need to get your fecking head checked.

I don't care if anyone else looks at it, and I haven't any issue with the industry.

So not anti-porn in general but finds it disrespectful, that it objectifies women and is really bothered by it in a relationship. I'd say that is anti-porn but maybe I need my fecking head checked.

Erectile Dysfunction is obviously an issue for some people and shouldn't be a problem to discuss if someone has questions or issues with it. But surely it's fair to call someone out when they post a video with no statement, problem or question when they do indeed have a post history stating they do not like porn in relationships.

BTW, I don't care if the OP is anti-porn or not. That's not the issue for me. I just want justice dammit!

P.S. There seems to be a lot of discussions on porn on Boards:D

Otis Driftwood

Im locking this thread as it has turned into a giant nit picking fest and that I dont believe will change however,I want to make two points.

Boards operates on an attack the post,not the poster basis,users are well advised to remember this in future.

Liah,you are on Boards long enough to know what its like.You posted a link to a video that you didnt even watch and that,for all intents and purposes,could have contained anything.You really should expect posters to question your motivation for posting things like that.This is The Gentlemen's Club after all.

Thread closed.