Ignorant Aul' Wans

SWK

I just got off a train where I had the misfortune of being subjected to the ins and outs of a 2-hour conversation between two "Aul' Wans". Sadly my book wasn't engaging enough to block out their nattering. The conversation progressed from their mutual satisfaction with the sh*t-storm that's been brewing around David Norris' and his presidential hopes, on to their disillusionment with society and its more accepting approach to gay people, which according to one of them is "sick" and "any intelligent person can see that". Then the fact that hotels and B&Bs no longer quiz their clientele on their bedroom activities or marital statuses was “woed” over.

Things took a less objectionable turn after that opening 20 minutes and I became more successful at tuning them out, though I do recall the downsides of today's youth being over-educated propping up. My main reason for the thread is that I'm now wondering if anyone else sometimes gets the feeling that maybe Irish society will take a progressive step forward in a couple of decades when, how shall I put this, Father Time undertakes an inevitable culling.

Opinions, anyone? Obviously I’m being harsh as I can remember my own grandmother making some dubious comments before she died, which I was willing to overlook. Also, I know, eavesdropping is wrong, but sometimes you don’t have much choice in the matter.

Auvers

buy an mp3 player and decent headphones and never will you be subjected to bullsh1t talk on public transport ever again

kc87

why didnt you move to a different seat .

Cill Dara Abu

kc87 wrote: »

why didnt you move seats.

Maybe there was no empty seats left:rolleyes:

kc87

Cill Dara Abu wrote: »

Maybe there was no empty seats left:rolleyes:

well if they where that bad i would have stood up then :rolleyes:

SWK

kc87 wrote: »

why didnt you move to a different seat .

A nice person took the liberty of falling asleep in the aisle seat beside me. Also, I had a bunch of bags. The perfect storm!

orourkeda

Two aul wans dont like gays and students. Who cares?

kelle

It's just the way they were brought up, and I just say leave them to it - they won't be around for very long. Just thank your lucky stars the newer generation are far more accepting.

My grandmother believed people who separated or god forbid divorced were "bad", and that a woman enduring spousal abuse " brought it on herself and deserves it"!!!

A cousin that was born outside marriage was not counted as her grandchild :eek:

Anyway, she passed away a few years ago as did her opinions - we still reel in shock at some of her beliefs when they crop up in conversation!

CatFromHue

they can give out about the young generation and all the gays they want.

the vast majority of child abuse cases and the magdelene laundry's abuse happened in their generation.

Rds1989

SWK wrote: »

I just got off a train where I had the misfortune of being subjected to the ins and outs of a 2-hour conversation between two "Aul' Wans". Sadly my book wasn't engaging enough to block out their nattering. The conversation progressed from their mutual satisfaction with the sh*t-storm that's been brewing around David Norris' and his presidential hopes, on to their disillusionment with society and its more accepting approach to gay people, which according to one of them is "sick" and "any intelligent person can see that". Then the fact that hotels and B&Bs no longer quiz their clientele on their bedroom activities or marital statuses was “woed” over.

Things took a less objectionable turn after that opening 20 minutes and I became more successful at tuning them out, though I do recall the downsides of today's youth being over-educated propping up. My main reason for the thread is that I'm now wondering if anyone else sometimes gets the feeling that maybe Irish society will take a progressive step forward in a couple of decades when, how shall I put this, Father Time undertakes an inevitable culling.

Opinions, anyone? Obviously I’m being harsh as I can remember my own grandmother making some dubious comments before she died, which I was willing to overlook. Also, I know, eavesdropping is wrong, but sometimes you don’t have much choice in the matter

Why cant you just ignore them rather than wishing death on them. That was a common opinion for people of their ilk at the time, it doesn't make them bad as people. Btw im a 21yo college student

AckwelFoley

Why didnt you throw momma from the train?

michael999999

did you drop the hand?

LighterGuy

orourkeda wrote: »

Two aul wans dont like gays and students. Who cares?

Then they'd most likely kill a gay student :pac:

Ah just two foolish older women. Out of touch with reality. But just like everything else, you cant tell your average person they're wrong or behind with the times.

southsiderosie

CatFromHue wrote: »

they can give out about the young generation and all the gays they want.

the vast majority of child abuse cases and the magdelene laundry's abuse happened in their generation.

What?

orourkeda

LighterGuy wrote: »

Then they'd most likely kill a gay student :pac:

Ah just two foolish older women. Out of touch with reality. But just like everything else, you cant tell your average person they're wrong or behind with the times.

How can disliking someone be considered "behind the times"

SWK

Rds1989 wrote: »

Why cant you just ignore them rather than wishing death on them. That was a common opinion for people of their ilk at the time, it doesn't make them bad as people. Btw im a 21yo college student

I'm not wishing death on them it's something that happens to all of us. I'm just putting it out there that maybe it won't be a bad thing when some of those opinions, and the people who hold them, have gone bye-bye. The first objection I covered already.

LighterGuy

orourkeda wrote: »

How can disliking someone be considered "behind the times"

OP said these aul'wans think they being gay is sick. last time i checked its not the 1950s

orourkeda

Why are people shocked by homophobia and prejudice in general?

orourkeda

LighterGuy wrote: »

OP said these aul'wans think they being gay is sick. last time i checked its not the 1950s

The last time I checked some people still dislike gays.

Dunny

kc87 wrote: »

why didnt you move to a different seat .

Shouldnt have to move.

LighterGuy

orourkeda wrote: »

Why are people shocked by homophobia and prejudice in general?

Live and let live man.
If some bloke is gay, its his choice.

I'm straight, i dont mind if someone is gay. As long as I dont get some gay bloke coming onto me...I dont give a fu*k what a persons sexuality is.

SWK

orourkeda wrote: »

How can disliking someone be considered "behind the times"

Why are people shocked by homophobia and prejudice in general?

The last time I checked some people still dislike gays.

I wasn't shocked. My reaction was more like a series of bemused double-takes.

Clearly you have similar viewpoints, which again doesn't surprise me as I'm fairly in touch with reality, but I'd question whether your are as you don't seem to understand that many people see such opinions as being outdated.

orourkeda

LighterGuy wrote: »

Live and let live man.
If some bloke is gay, its his choice.

I'm straight, i dont mind if someone is gay. As long as I dont get some gay bloke coming onto me...I dont give a fu*k what a persons sexuality is.

I have no interest in anyone elses sexualit. Neither do I care if someone dislikes another persons sexulity

orourkeda

SWK wrote: »

I wasn't shocked. My reaction was more like a series of bemused double-takes.

Clearly you have similar viewpoints, which again doesn't surprise me as I'm fairly in touch with reality, but I'd question whether your are as you don't seem to understand that many people see such opinions as being outdated.

I'm not a gay basher but if you want to pretend that Homophobia doesnt exist then go ahead.

LighterGuy

orourkeda wrote: »

I have no interest in anyone elses sexualit. Neither do I care if someone dislikes another persons sexulity

Good for you
i'll start working on your blue peter badge :pac:

orourkeda

LighterGuy wrote: »

Good for you
i'll start working on your blue peter badge :pac:

My life is now complete

SWK

orourkeda wrote: »

I'm not a gay basher but if you want to pretend that Homophobia doesnt exist then go ahead.

Yep, precisely what I'm doing. This post was actually intended as a shocking exposé of the existence of homophobia in Irish society. Come on.

afterhours

the worst is when they get racist.. unreal.. i wanna just hide my head under a pillow and let them banter.. some of the ****e that comes outta their mouths.. unbelievable.

orourkeda

SWK wrote: »

Yep, precisely what I'm doing. This post was actually intended as a shocking exposé of the existence of homophobia in Irish society. Come on.

What? Youre pretending that homophobia doesnt exist? Sonds like you need to come on.

orourkeda

afterhours wrote: »

the worst is when they get racist.. unreal.. i wanna just hide my head under a pillow and let them banter.. some of the ****e that comes outta their mouths.. unbelievable.

Why? Do you want to do that every time you hear something you dont like.

Ellis Dee

orourkeda wrote: »

Why are people shocked by homophobia and prejudice in general?

I live abroad a lot and am utterly sickened by the racism, xenophobia and homophobia one hears all the time in Ireland nowadays. Likewise Islamophobia. It's just like decades ago when the Jews were supposedly to blame for everything, and we all know what that scapegoating led to. Now it's everyone but ourselves who are to blame. Not so long ago, I visited another Irish forum - better not name it - and saw, among other things, a call to have all Traveller women sterilised, all Roma exterminated, and so on. I know freedom of speech is important, but there have to be some limits, and surely it's not good for even the haters if they let the hate take control of their lives. You'd think no Irish people ever turned up on foreign shores. I'm a newbie here, but glad I haven't seen any sick stuff like in the other place.:)

blueser

SWK wrote: »

I just got off a train where I had the misfortune of being subjected to the ins and outs of a 2-hour conversation between two "Aul' Wans". Sadly my book wasn't engaging enough to block out their nattering. The conversation progressed from their mutual satisfaction with the sh*t-storm that's been brewing around David Norris' and his presidential hopes, on to their disillusionment with society and its more accepting approach to gay people, which according to one of them is "sick" and "any intelligent person can see that". Then the fact that hotels and B&Bs no longer quiz their clientele on their bedroom activities or marital statuses was “woed” over.

Things took a less objectionable turn after that opening 20 minutes and I became more successful at tuning them out, though I do recall the downsides of today's youth being over-educated propping up. My main reason for the thread is that I'm now wondering if anyone else sometimes gets the feeling that maybe Irish society will take a progressive step forward in a couple of decades when, how shall I put this, Father Time undertakes an inevitable culling.

Opinions, anyone? Obviously I’m being harsh as I can remember my own grandmother making some dubious comments before she died, which I was willing to overlook. Also, I know, eavesdropping is wrong, but sometimes you don’t have much choice in the matter.

Did you say anything to them when you got the chance, seeing as they irritated you?

SWK

orourkeda wrote: »

What? Youre pretending that homophobia doesnt exist? Sonds like you need to come on.

You don't understand simple sarcasm and seem incapable of comprehending the whole point of my OP. Your troll quotient just went through the roof. Good day!

orourkeda

Ellis Dee wrote: »

I live abroad a lot and am utterly sickened by the racism, xenophobia and homophobia one hears all the time in Ireland nowadays. Likewise Islamophobia. It's just like decades ago when the Jews were supposedly to blame for everything, and we all know what that scapegoating led to. Now it's everyone but ourselves who are to blame. Not so long ago, I visited another Irish forum - better not name it - and saw, among other things, a call to have all Traveller women sterilised, all Roma exterminated, and so on. I know freedom of speech is important, but there have to be some limits, and surely it's not good for even the haters if they let the hate take control of their lives. You'd think no Irish people ever turned up on foreign shores. I'm a newbie here, but glad I haven't seen any sick stuff like in the other place.:)

Is the fact that irish people are racist news to you?

SWK

blueser wrote: »

Did you say anything to them when you got the chance, seeing as they irritated you?

Ah, no. I took the passive-aggresive way out and went home to post it on the internet. I think saying anything to someone in their mid to late sixties is almost always going to be an exercise in futility. They'll be gone soon-ish .

CatFromHue

southsiderosie wrote: »

What?

my point is that alot of older people give out about how things are today and portray things as always being better in their day.

the child abuse scandals and the magdalene laundry's happened in their time. so maybe not everything was as perfect as they think back then.

orourkeda

SWK wrote: »

Ah, no. I took the passive-aggresive way out and went home to post it on the internet. I think saying anything to someone in their mid to late sixties is almost always going to be an exercise in futility. They'll be gone soon-ish .

Nice. Don't argue with the person who offended you by expressing an opinion you didnt lik. They'll be dead soon

Ellis Dee

orourkeda wrote: »

Is the fact that irish people are racist news to you?

No, it's not news. Some have always been; it's a function of pig-ignorance and loserdom. But it has become far more widespread and virulent in recent times. And there is far greater acceptance of it. A redeeming feature is, however, that few if any politicians seem to be playing the racist card. They have their failings, that's for sure, but at least they have not cultivated that vice so far.:)

orourkeda

CatFromHue wrote: »

my point is that alot of older people give out about how things are today and portray things as always being better in their day.

the child abuse scandals and the magdalene laundry's happened in their time. so maybe not everything was as perfect as they think back then.

What has the magdalene laundries got to do with disliking gay people.

orourkeda

Ellis Dee wrote: »

No, it's not news. But it has become far more widespread and virulent in recent times. And there is far greater acceptance of it. A redeeming feature is, however, that few if any politicians seem to be playing the racist card. They have their failings, that's for sure, but at least they have not cultivated that vice so far.:)

Prejudice is always there. One just needs to scratch the surface. Anyone who says they are not prejudiced in some manner is a liar.

SWK

CatFromHue wrote: »

my point is that alot of older people give out about how things are today and portray things as always being better in their day.

the child abuse scandals and the magdalene laundry's happened in their time. so maybe not everything was as perfect as they think back then.

Yeah, wasn't sure what you were getting at with the first post but you have a point. There usually is a pair of rose-tinted glasses to hand. Usually a lot of harkening back to the times when the Church was number 1.

kowloon

You can have no end of fun by winding up these feckers. Next time try ringing your gay lover on your mobile (you don't actually need one for this trick).
They'll either go quiet because they're passive homophobes or they'll tell you how disgusting you are thereby presenting even further opportunities to piss them off.

Gob$hites are best used for the entertainment of the rest of us.

Ellis Dee

orourkeda wrote: »

Prejudice is always there. One just needs to scratch the surface. Anyone who says they are not prejudiced in some manner is a liar.

You are right. What matters is how that prejudice is controlled or indulged, preferably controlled. That is why we have equality laws and our country has signed up to human rights conventions, and so on. People who call for, say, all Traveller women to be sterilised or for some or other ethnic group to be "eradicated" are, to say the least, psychopaths, or else very seriously sick. And the fact that things like that can be posted on a moderated Internet site indicates that perhaps the sickness of race hate has not been fully contained in Ireland.:( On the other hand, it could be argued that it is just those sickos' way of venting their frustration and bolstering their own self-esteem, and that they might do actual harm if they didn't do it that way. I don't have any answer to that, and I wonder does anyone?

TommyTippee

They're dead right.

ejmaztec

Unfortunately many of the thick, bigoted and intolerant old fuckwits will have made certain that their bigoted intolerant fuckwitery has been passed on before they die. You only have to read some of the posts on Boards to prove that. If the older ones would shut the fuck up, there might be a chance of some of their crap not getting through to the next generation.

Unfortunately there's nothing to be done in a situation like that, except hope that they're not influencing any people around them.

My mother comes out with stuff sometimes that makes me wonder how I managed to avoid picking it up. I'm comfortable enough with her to give out to her and try to understand where her ideas come from, but if there's anything I've learned from trying to find out her reasoning, it's that there is no reasoning behind it. It's just fact in her mind. When someone is raised with racist/homophobic views, there's just no talking to them, especially when they're past 50.

Assuming I live to old age, I know my life will fall apart the day my mother dies. I can't even imagine how devastating it will be. I think the OP's right though. So while I don't hope that everyone with racist/homophobic views dies, I do hope that when the time comes, their views die with them. Because once someone picks up those views, you just can't explain them away with any amount of rationale.

Locker10a

LighterGuy wrote: »

Live and let live man.
If some bloke is gay, its his choice.

I'm straight, i dont mind if someone is gay. As long as I dont get some gay bloke coming onto me...I dont give a fu*k what a persons sexuality is.

I 100% agree with you!
But .......sexuality isint a choice:eek: !
Not to worry though your not the only person who dosent realist that!

Locker10a

true-or-false wrote: »

Unfortunately there's nothing to be done in a situation like that, except hope that they're not influencing any people around them.

My mother comes out with stuff sometimes that makes me wonder how I managed to avoid picking it up. I'm comfortable enough with her to give out to her and try to understand where her ideas come from, but if there's anything I've learned from trying to find out her reasoning, it's that there is no reasoning behind it. It's just fact in her mind. When someone is raised with racist/homophobic views, there's just no talking to them, especially when they're past 50.

Assuming I live to old age, I know my life will fall apart the day my mother dies. I can't even imagine how devastating it will be. I think the OP's right though. So while I don't hope that everyone with racist/homophobic views dies, I do hope that when the time comes, their views die with them. Because once someone picks up those views, you just can't explain them away with any amount of rationale.

I think you have said it best
I feel the exact same way with my mother somtimes! But you explained it better than i ever could!

FlutterinBantam

I have nothing against aul wans and their views, but I wish to fcuk they would keep their wind to themselves.

I was in Tesco Sandymount today mooching around the biscuit aisle, when these two auld wans shuffled in and took up position around the Foxe's Ambers section.

You know the type, fairly heavily tweeded, walk through you, instead of around you and blocked the already narrow aisle up.Both pulling wheeled shopping bags.

Cnuts were wittering on about catfood,if I recall correctly ,and how 'Fluff' doesn't like GoCat.

Anyway just as I was about to select a pack of those Nestlé Bubble biscuits, one of them queefed out a fcuking rasper of a fart, no hold back, just fcuking unloaded a low sounded scutthery bad boy that immediately hung in the air like an egg sambo gone well off.

Rattled off the sides of the aisle:eek:

Not a bother on them,carried on while I abandoned the area and headed out for fresh air.


They don't give a fcuk

Irish Guitarist

They're entitled to their opinions. I bet in the future some things will be socially acceptable that aren't now and you'll have a hard time dealing with them when you get older.

SWK

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

I have nothing against aul wans and their views, but I wish to fcuk they would keep their wind to themselves.

I was in Tesco Sandymount today mooching around the biscuit aisle, when these two auld wans shuffled in and took up position around the Foxe's Ambers section.

You know the type, fairly heavily tweeded, walk through you, instead of around you and blocked the already narrow aisle up.Both pulling wheeled shopping bags.

Cnuts were wittering on about catfood,if I recall correctly ,and how 'Fluff' doesn't like GoCat.

Anyway just as I was about to select a pack of those Nestlé Bubble biscuits, one of them queefed out a fcuking rasper of a fart, no hold back, just fcuking unloaded a low sounded scutthery bad boy that immediately hung in the air like an egg sambo gone well off.

Rattled off the sides of the aisle:eek:

Not a bother on them,carried on while I abandoned the area and headed out for fresh air.


They don't give a fcuk

Congrats on successfully lightening the tone. You can't beat using queef as a verb.