No recruitment campaign scheduled for 2012

gigity gigity

Hi Delancey, I remember you mentioned this same thing to me, cheers for the heads up theres bound to be loads on here who have thought about leaving for a year! Did you say that 6 months would be fine? I can't remember!

Delancey

Tough question Gig , to my knowledge there are no guidelines available to help a potential applicant assess the position re. time abroad.
My own guess says 6 months or over is a no no however that is not to say that 4 or 5 months away is ok either.

I suppose 'common sense ' says that 3 months should be ok but you've been around the block enough times to know that common sense does not nescessarily apply in this process :rolleyes:

We can reasonably assume 2 weeks in Gran Canaria will not be a problem but that begs the question as to just when does time overseas become an issue ?

I would like to advise you to contact PSNI recruitment directly for guidance but my guess is that you will get a ' wooly ' reply from someone more interested in covering their ass than answering your question and you will be none the wiser.
I have seen applicants disqualified on the residency requirement but these were pretty clear cut cases of over a year at least outside NI /ROI.

M2010

there may be no recruitment happening here folks, but the majority of the Scottish forces are currently recruiting for police officers, with others recruiting early in 2012. The Civil Nuclear Constabulary are also currently recruiting if anyone is interested.

gigity gigity

thanks m2010 where will these jobs be advertised?

Goonerdee

gigity gigity wrote: »

thanks m2010 where will these jobs be advertised?

They are advertising now. Grampian police and Lothian and Borders police. Go to their own websites, they are there. I think there is one other force, can't remember which, but Strathclyde and Dumfries and Galloway are not recruiting.

Delancey

Worth remembering that Scotland is moving over to a ' national ' Police Force and the current 7 or 8 eight forces will be merged into 1 - what impact this move will have on recruitment remains to be seen.

M2010

Lothian and borders is recruiting from February if I remember correctly. Here is a link to all the Scottish police forces. http://www.scottish.police.uk It says on each individual website if they are recruiting, and some say when they will be opening a campaign again also.

As for the Civil Nuclear Constabulary, they seem to have campaigns open quite often for various sites around the country. They have an email alerts system in place where you can be notified of new campaigns being opened. http://www.cnc.jobs/

pastiesupper

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/northern-irelands-police-reserve-now-history-16097589.html

Chairman of the Police Federation Terry Spence:

"Instead of reducing numbers they should be recruiting to meet the threat we are faced with every day. We want a decision to start recruitment to be made. Between now and 2015, 1,200 current officers can maximise their benefits under the pension scheme.

If they leave, we are down to 5,800 officers. How will we be able to cope?"

So, before the new college is completed (allegedly in 2015!), there is a potential for a big loss in overall numbers. Wonder how this is being planned for?

Delancey

pastiesupper wrote: »

So, before the new college is completed (allegedly in 2015!), there is a potential for a big loss in overall numbers. Wonder how this is being planned for?

Probably planning for a fresh wave of ' stealth recruitment ' - namely retire on Friday and re-join as a ' civilian ' on Monday :rolleyes:

To think that Matt Baggott has told the Policing Board he has no idea of the numbers of ex-Police working for the organisation as the PSNI '' does not keep such records '' is laughable.

pastiesupper

Delancey wrote: »

Probably planning for a fresh wave of ' stealth recruitment ' - namely retire on Friday and re-join as a ' civilian ' on Monday :rolleyes:

To think that Matt Baggott has told the Policing Board he has no idea of the numbers of ex-Police working for the organisation as the PSNI '' does not keep such records '' is laughable.

That won't help with overall officer numbers, it will just increase the civvy staff numbers. Although, it could free up some sworn officers from back room posts and get them out into the front line.

I can see why they wouldn't want to keep records of the number of ex-officers now working in a civilian capacity. Couple of reasons: 1) There is no obligation for them to record this AFAIK and it can just be used as a stick to beat them with and 2) the civvy/temporary staff are from Grafton and I assume it would be Grafton's responsibility ensure they were 'fit for purpose' for the role (as this is what they are getting paid the big bucks for!).

There was also a recent FOI request that stated that they didn't keep this information:
http://www.psni.police.uk/employment_civilian_staff.pdf

Delancey

I believe the first reason is why they don't keep the records - not sure that excuse will ' wash ' indefinitely with the Policing Board.

Canyon86

Im from the republic..

Would i be eligible to apply if they recruited?

Delancey

Canyon86 wrote: »

Im from the republic..

Would i be eligible to apply if they recruited?

Yes , provided you have been resident in the UK or Republic for the 3 years immediately prior to applying.

Buzz35

Seems a bit odd the JoinPSNI website is still displaying the message for no recruitment in 2011. Would have thought if a definate decision had been made for 2012, that they would have got round to changing it? (He says as he stretches high up on his tippy toes in an effort to clutch that final 2012 straw!)

rookie_boarder

To my mind...

Patten was designed to change the RUC to the PSNI (it wasn't just about 5050, which was time lined), and to keep the trend of the PSNI...

What has gone on, with with recruiting ex officers, "having no records" for the amount of re-hired (I know they have now, 300 or so, the figure could be far greater over the years) is neither in the spirit of patten or acceptable in my opinion...

I know MR Baggot didn't start the "jobs for the boys trend", but he has allowed it to carry on. He, again in my opinion, has filled to grasp the minds of a large section of the community here, which means he's not in touch and whoever allowed this to go on, is also not in touch...

It borders "under handness"...

Please don't go pointing out to me, the "brain drain aspect" of all this, I've heard that argument and the counter arguments...

Delancey

rookie_boarder wrote: »

To my mind...

Patten was designed to change the RUC to the PSNI (it wasn't just about 5050, which was time lined), and to keep the trend of the PSNI...

What has gone on, with with recruiting ex officers, "having no records" for the amount of re-hired (I know they have now, 300 or so, the figure could be far greater over the years) is neither in the spirit of patten or acceptable in my opinion...

I know MR Baggot didn't start the "jobs for the boys trend", but he has allowed it to carry on. He, again in my opinion, has filled to grasp the minds of a large section of the community here, which means he's not in touch and whoever allowed this to go on, is also not in touch...

It borders "under handness"...

Please don't go pointing out to me, the "brain drain aspect" of all this, I've heard that argument and the counter arguments...

Delighted to learn that I'm not the only person that thinks all this re-hiring ex Police is contrary to the ' spirit ' of Patten if not the letter.

PSNI management seem to pat themselves on the back about the changes they have overseen but it seems to me that all this re-hiring does nothing to improve minority representation in PSNI civilian posts - Patten wanted improved representation across the organisation.

While the Deputy Chief Constable says the re-hiring was required due to loss of skills , etc , I have to say it smacks of mis-management and very poor succession planning. Patten severance cost half a billion pounds and questions are quite rightly being asked about this whole ' jobs for the boys ' deal.
All the PSNI will say is that they complied with all employment regulations and laws - I'm delighted to hear that especially when you consider many posts were neither advertised nor interviewed for :mad:

Munsterlad2012

Deffo no recruitment this year then?

Delancey

Munsterlad2012 wrote: »

Deffo no recruitment this year then?

Yeah , you can pretty much take that to be the case and as for 2013.... well , lets just say '' don't hold your breath ''.

Goonerdee

FoI request shows that it is not determined if there will be any recruitment in 2013.

Plus a local paper says that statistics shows that the majority of officers leaving with less than five years service is from a Catholic background

Delancey

Interesting statistic alright - PSNI reached the magic 30% RC representation figure but if that starts to slide there will be pressure for more recruitment and recruitment that will involve some form of positive discrimination.

Misterjay

Delancey wrote: »

Interesting statistic alright - PSNI reached the magic 30% RC representation figure but if that starts to slide there will be pressure for more recruitment and recruitment that will involve some form of positive discrimination.

Well D how's tricks? I haven't annoyed you lot in a while. 'Positive discrimination' you say? Surely no discrimination can be positive!!

It's probably going to be at least another couple of years as there is nowhere to train people yet. Maybe they should have bought the land from Mr Sweeney. That way the Assembly might have been a bit quicker to build it:D:D Maybe a new Emergency Training College combined with a 5* hotel and golf course was the way forward!!

Gee-22

Misterjay wrote: »

It's probably going to be at least another couple of years as there is nowhere to train people yet.

Not 100% true.

A number of newly trained staff, recently left our favourite training hotel.

Goonerdee

Positive discrimination on its own is a failure as far as Im concerned. There was always around 10,000 applicants to the PSNI each year and usually only 2,000, at most 3,000 were from those with a Catholic background. The magic 30% was acheived not by a massive intake of Catholics, but by a massive decrease of Protestants. Since the last days of the RUC there are 6-700 more Catholic officers in the PSNI, but there is 5-6000 less Protestants.

I personally don't care the ex-RUC are there, as long as they are stopping the bad guys killing more young officers like Ronan Kerr.

Which would you prefer, a man who spent the last 30 years learning the tactics of terrorists, or some Uni graduate with no experience of life outside of schooling being tasked with disrupting the dissidents activities.

Misterjay

Gee-22 wrote: »

Not 100% true.

A number of newly trained staff, recently left our favourite training hotel.

I thought GV had closed or was about to and was up for sale. And the new site not complete until 2015. Hopefully I'm wrong

Misterjay

Goonerdee wrote: »

Which would you prefer, a man who spent the last 30 years learning the tactics of terrorists, or some Uni graduate with no experience of life outside of schooling being tasked with disrupting the dissidents activities.

There is a lot more to policing than disrupting some low life nutters. So both have a part to play.

Goonerdee

Misterjay wrote: »

There is a lot more to policing than disrupting some low life nutters. So both have a part to play.

Yes, both have a part to play, but the majority of those RUC officers that were rehired were put into specialist roles thag frankly, very few civvies could have done. OK, some were given glorified paper boy jobs that anyone could have done.

Gee-22

Misterjay wrote: »

I thought GV had closed or was about to and was up for sale. And the new site not complete until 2015. Hopefully I'm wrong

Im pretty sure its still on the market. Not too many people with 5 million to spend on a building site these days.

But I know newly trained staff only left not so long ago.

So its still there if required, and so are the staff (all be it in smaller numbers).

Gee-22

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5ieTrdmli3kXFqpHq3OaX50b3eKhw?docId=N0967411331133599007A

The terrorist threat level in Northern Ireland "remains severe", Northern Ireland Secretary Owen Paterson has said.

The DUP's Gregory Campbell raised the issue of "a murder in Londonderry in recent weeks and also the continuing targeting by dissident republicans of a number of people not just in the border area but across Northern Ireland". He asked if the necessary resources were in place to deal with "this escalating problem".

Mr Paterson branded the murder "disgusting and deplorable", adding that a special package of £200 million had previously been agreed.

Shadow Northern Ireland secretary Vernon Coaker said: "We will stand with him in tackling any threat to security in Northern Ireland. Obviously, in tackling terrorism, resources for the police and security services are paramount."

Goonerdee

Gee-22 wrote: »

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5ieTrdmli3kXFqpHq3OaX50b3eKhw?docId=N0967411331133599007A

The terrorist threat level in Northern Ireland "remains severe", Northern Ireland Secretary Owen Paterson has said.

The DUP's Gregory Campbell raised the issue of "a murder in Londonderry in recent weeks and also the continuing targeting by dissident republicans of a number of people not just in the border area but across Northern Ireland". He asked if the necessary resources were in place to deal with "this escalating problem".

Mr Paterson branded the murder "disgusting and deplorable", adding that a special package of £200 million had previously been agreed.

Shadow Northern Ireland secretary Vernon Coaker said: "We will stand with him in tackling any threat to security in Northern Ireland. Obviously, in tackling terrorism, resources for the police and security services are paramount."

One of the ACCs was on the news backing the plans to hire ex-RUC as civvies instead of new recruits. The money they were given to tackle terrorism is due to run out in four years and he said when that happens the ex-RUC will be let go, whereas if they had hired new recruits they would have been left with 200-400 officers and no way to pay them.

Is he implying there will be no recruiting for at least four years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Delancey

I note with interest the view of the Police Federation surrounding the whole issue of ex-Police being re-hired.
They have criticised former senior officers who have spoken out against the practice ( I believe this refers to former Assistant Chief Constable Alan McQuillan who has condemned it as lacking transparency ).
The Federation says that there seems to be an anti-RUC agenda among those who are questioning the re-hiring.

All this from the same Police Federation that regularly calls for more recruitment and says the PSNI is undermanned , conveniently forgetting that all this re-hiring makes more recruitment less likely.

Seems to me the Police Federation needs to decide its stance or to put it less nicely , ' sh** or get off the pot ' !!

I look forward to hearing the results of the Audit Commission review about the whole re-hiring issue.

kitchensink

I was speaking to a guy from the hr department of the PSNI who stated that they NEED full time officers but they don't know when they will be running a campaign. Real dishearting to know that they need numbers but they aren't recruiting.

gigity gigity

Since the PSNI are in the business of recruiting transferees to save money, is anyone considering using a back door into the PSNI and joining a different force with the hope of a transfer over?

Also would you have to complete probation before a move or would it be possible to move say a year after joining, provided the PSNI were looking for people?

I know its a long shot but the PSNI is where im hoping to end up and the sooner I get there the better!!!

Delancey

To transfer from one UK force to another it is a requirement that probation be completed.
Given how few forces are recruiting in England or Wales it probably would indeed be a ' long shot '.

gigity gigity

Even with that being the case potentially you could have your probation finished before 2015.

Just thinking that with transfers being the norm at the minute then it seems the most logical route to get into the PSNI.

Whats the craic anyway Delancey?

Delancey

Fair to middling I guess :rolleyes: Very busy with exams right now - mind numbing stuff !

grad10

gigity gigity wrote: »

Since the PSNI are in the business of recruiting transferees to save money, is anyone considering using a back door into the PSNI and joining a different force with the hope of a transfer over?

Also would you have to complete probation before a move or would it be possible to move say a year after joining, provided the PSNI were looking for people?

I know its a long shot but the PSNI is where im hoping to end up and the sooner I get there the better!!!

I'm doing exactly that giggity. Quite a few Scottish forces have been recruiting over the past months, I'm half way through the recruitment for Lothian and Borders. I could be completely wrong but I really can't see the PSNI recruiting within the next 2 years, so I'm hoping to join another force, do my probation and transfer back when they finally do start again all being well. It's all I want to do so I am prepared to move for a few years for it, saying that I've been over to Edinburgh 3 times now and I absolutely love it! So who knows if I am lucky enough to get in I could end up staying!

gigity gigity

grad10 wrote: »

I'm doing exactly that giggity. Quite a few Scottish forces have been recruiting over the past months, I'm half way through the recruitment for Lothian and Borders. I could be completely wrong but I really can't see the PSNI recruiting within the next 2 years, so I'm hoping to join another force, do my probation and transfer back when they finally do start again all being well. It's all I want to do so I am prepared to move for a few years for it, saying that I've been over to Edinburgh 3 times now and I absolutely love it! So who knows if I am lucky enough to get in I could end up staying!

Sweet, was having a look to see if any scottish forces are recruiting now! Whats the process like? Is it the same or harder/easier. PM me if you get a chance! cheers

Delancey

I wonder if the impending merger of all Scottish forces into a single national police service has a bearing on all this recent recruitment in Scotland ?

M2010

I'm waiting to hear back from lothian & boarders as well.

grad10

I'll PM you now gigity. Information of their recruitment process can be found on the website, and one other thing I will say is they are ALOT more into fitness! So if you're thinking about it get running and start strengthening your upper body for the push pull now!!

grad10

M2010 wrote: »

I'm waiting to hear back from lothian & boarders as well.

Good luck with your application M2010!

M2010

Thanks grad10. All the best with your application too. It's my first time applying for a force. Fingers crossed though.

murphy2

grad10 wrote: »

I'll PM you now gigity. Information of their recruitment process can be found on the website, and one other thing I will say is they are ALOT more into fitness! So if you're thinking about it get running and start strengthening your upper body for the push pull now!!

Any chance you could PM me any info/details about d recruitment process too please, looking into strathclyde in particular myself!

1967J

kitchensink wrote: »

I was speaking to a guy from the hr department of the PSNI who stated that they NEED full time officers but they don't know when they will be running a campaign. Real dishearting to know that they need numbers but they aren't recruiting.

No need to recruit as there were people from the last campaign that made the grade but the freeze in recruitment hit them - I know I was waiting on a call to start - still waiting

Goonerdee

1967J wrote: »

No need to recruit as there were people from the last campaign that made the grade but the freeze in recruitment hit them - I know I was waiting on a call to start - still waiting

You will have to hope the PSNI dont have the same time limit issue as the Met Police. Those who pass the tests are placed on a list but only for two years, they have to re apply after that.

1967J

Goonerdee wrote: »

You will have to hope the PSNI dont have the same time limit issue as the Met Police. Those who pass the tests are placed on a list but only for two years, they have to re apply after that.

I understood that there was a year limit but could be wrong - TBH not expecting a call with the current climate - but would be nice

gigity gigity

What I wouldnt give to get a call............................................

In the mean time I will dream on!

1967J

gigity gigity wrote: »

What I wouldnt give to get a call............................................

In the mean time I will dream on!

You and me both lol

Goonerdee

I'd do some hours for free if I thought it would have got me in!!

wannabe2010

Hey, I ain't been on here in some time! Since I failed in the last campaign in 2010 actually.. Can't believe there's still no plans for recruitment anyone know of any UK force which is currently recruiting? Or know of ROUGHLY when PSNI might be recruiting again? I managed to forget about my dream job for the past year or so but can't hold it in any longer! Lol.