No recruitment campaign scheduled for 2012

Delancey

Last word of any sort I heard was that no more recruitment until Desertcreat is up and running ( if it ever gets built ) so on that basis I would have to be doubtful of any recruitment drive until 2014 at the earliest.

Goonerdee

2014 is a year and a half away! Have they started doing anything at Desertcreat yet?

Delancey

Last I heard was that not only has the first sod yet to be turned but the ' minor ' matter of Planning Permission has still to be finalised.
It has been promised for years and still nothing has happened , it has got the ' go ahead ' though quite why the PSNI decide to go with it after the end of accelerated recruitment is beyond me.

grad10

wannabe2010 wrote: »

Hey, I ain't been on here in some time! Since I failed in the last campaign in 2010 actually.. Can't believe there's still no plans for recruitment anyone know of any UK force which is currently recruiting? Or know of ROUGHLY when PSNI might be recruiting again? I managed to forget about my dream job for the past year or so but can't hold it in any longer! Lol.

Hi wannabe welcome back! I remember you! Get on the Internet and check for other forces recruiting, I know there were quite a few Scottish ones on the go last month but they may have closed. I couldn't wait any longer either, got completed fed up with the rumours of when PSNI would be recruiting again, and personally don't think it will be anytime soon so I applied for Lothian and Borders in Edinburgh back in November and am now just waiting on my final force panel interview date!

murphy2

Hey grad10,
I am in the middle of filling out my application for the Grampian police force in Aberdeen, really struggling with the diversity question though, how did you find it?
How long did it take before you found out if your application had been accepted?

grad10

murphy2 wrote: »

Hey grad10,
I am in the middle of filling out my application for the Grampian police force in Aberdeen, really struggling with the diversity question though, how did you find it?
How long did it take before you found out if your application had been accepted?

Hi murphy2, I just checked my application form there and as I thought, there was no diversity question for the L&B application! Just ones about teamwork, communication, flexibility and additional skills.

Checked my emails for you too for a rough time line, it was actually end of September I submitted my application, heard back exactly 1 month later an was invited to the SET early Nov, my fitness assessment was less than 3 weeks later at the end of Nov.. and then this is were my application slightly differs! ..I failed my fitness assessment and was told I had to wait 12 months to re-apply. Then in February I was contacted and told I was invited to a Female Fitness Awareness Event. Basically they had a lack of females and if I attended this event, did the fitness assessments again and proved my fitness had substantially improved, I would get a golden ticket and be allowed to re-apply then (as they had opened recruitment again) rather than having to wait a year. So I did this and passed. I then had to go back over to do it officially after submitting my 2nd application (didn't have to do the SET again), passed and progressed to the next stages.

So that was a massive hold up for me, would be in Tulliallan and all now if I had of passed the first time! But completely my own fault, it clearly says on the application you should be able to meet the fitness criteria before you submit your application, I didn't give myself enough time.

So my advice to you is get running now if you don't already! They are a lot more into and serious about fitness. If I pass my force panel interview I have to do the same run again and better my time from my passed fitness assessment before they hand me my start date letter! Plus it also cost me an extra fortune going back and forth!

I believe the sargeant said L&B is the only Scottish force that does the push/pull, believe it or not simply because there are not enough machines! Apparently all the ones at the training college are broke too! So if you are male this should be a good thing as a lot of males failed because of it, whereas the females failed more because of the run (we only have to push and pull 39kg whereas the boys are 69kg).

Good luck with your application!

grad10

Another thing I forgot to mention, check Grampian's criteria on the amount of applications/ time periods you have to wait. Lothian have a 3 strike rule, only 3 applications to ANY force allowed. I had already applied to PSNI twice so after I failed my fitness assessment I thought I was out. All forces have different rules, Tayside were then recruiting, I contacted them and they said they treat everyone as an individual, doesn't matter how many times you've applied before and there's no time period you have to wait. So I submitted an application to them. Thankfully it hadn't been processed by the time L&B rang me back about going back over, so I just withdrew my application from Tayside (for L&B you can't be in for 2 forces at the one time). The reason I got away with this technically being my fourth application to a police force is because of the old PSNI 50/50 rule, I reached the merit pool in my second application and there's therefore a chance I could have been recruited if it wasn't for my religion, so they didn't count that.

wannabe2010

grad10 wrote: »

Hi wannabe welcome back! I remember you! Get on the Internet and check for other forces recruiting, I know there were quite a few Scottish ones on the go last month but they may have closed. I couldn't wait any longer either, got completed fed up with the rumours of when PSNI would be recruiting again, and personally don't think it will be anytime soon so I applied for Lothian and Borders in Edinburgh back in November and am now just waiting on my final force panel interview date!

I mind you as well good to hear that you've got some hope of some sort of force.. Gah, wish I'd known about that recruitment there's that many police forces in England/Scotland/Wales though that it's hard to keep up with who's recruiting when.. wonder if there's any recruiting at the mo(?) do you have to go over to Edinburgh back n forth for the interviews and assessments aye?

See, I'd love to do that in a way, but I also dunno if I'd be able to just uprout my life like that, have no friends over there n have to sort somewhere to live etc - bit scary.. suppose you gotta take risks though..

sick of waitin for the PSNI to recruit again, and as Delancy says, it probably will not be for a very long time, and even then, they'd probably only recruit like 50 or something I just have the same old story as everyone, hate my job and just so desperately want into the police like I've always done since I was like 5 lol, started to feel like it's never going to happen

wannabe2010

Just noticed from your posts that Aberdeen police are recruiting!! It doesn't say a closing date though?! Can anyone advise?

grad10

So are Strathclyde! And Dumfries & Galloway!

Delancey

wannabe2010 wrote: »

there's that many police forces in England/Scotland/Wales though that it's hard to keep up with who's recruiting when.. wonder if there's any recruiting at the mo(?)

Check out the Home Office website called '' Police... could you ? '' until recently at least it listed all forces and their recruitment status .

Who knows the situation regarding PSNI recruitment - last class in Garnerville were told that the next recruit class would be in Desertcreat and were this to hold true then indeed recruitment is a long way off, however things can change so don't completely write off the PSNI .

I suspect that the Audit Commission report into the vexed question of Jobs for the Boys sorry , ahem .... rehiring of Ex-Police , will prove to be a serious embarrasment to PSNI management ( and deservedly so ), this may result in those contracts not being renewed and thus create demand for new officers - just my take on it ?

I have little doubt all the hiring in Scotland is linked to the decision to merge the forces there.

grad10

Delancey wrote: »

I have little doubt all the hiring in Scotland is linked to the decision to merge the forces there.

The last time I was over at L&B the question was asked how many jobs were available and the Recruitment Sargent's response was that he is hiring to cover retirement (and dismissal's/resignations) which at the minute is approximately 9 per month, and also to create a pool of people to dip into after that because they are way behind due to the recruitment freeze. He didn't mention the Scottish merger.
This is why I can't understand how the PSNI aren't recruiting.

Delancey

grad10 wrote: »

This is why I can't understand how the PSNI aren't recruiting.

Patten set the PSNI strenght at 7500 , this allowed for a larger force than comparable force areas across the water of similar geographic size and population distribution , Patten said this variance was to accomodate '' legacy issues '' ( we all know what he meant by that ).
Last intake brought force strenght up to that magical number and at the same time the magic target of 30% RC representation was reached - seems that the impetus for anything happening has vanished.

wannabe2010

Completed the application form for the Scottish Police but I'm in two minds as to what to do.. My first choice would be Aberdeen but it would cost like £250 each time I go over, which would be about 5 times for the tests. So it would have to be Dumfries, which would be about £75 per time, but I'm not sure I'd be suited to, or enjoy, such 'small-town' style Policing. That and my partner of over 6 years will not leave our hometown. Ever. But I'm worried that this kinda chance won't come around again... literally going around in circles here lol driving me mentallllllll! Anyone got any advice? Ha..

Goonerdee

wannabe2010 wrote: »

Completed the application form for the Scottish Police but I'm in two minds as to what to do.. My first choice would be Aberdeen but it would cost like £250 each time I go over, which would be about 5 times for the tests. So it would have to be Dumfries, which would be about £75 per time, but I'm not sure I'd be suited to, or enjoy, such 'small-town' style Policing. That and my partner of over 6 years will not leave our hometown. Ever. But I'm worried that this kinda chance won't come around again... literally going around in circles here lol driving me mentallllllll! Anyone got any advice? Ha..

If ever I was tempted to join a Scottish force, Dumfries and Galloway would have been my first choice. I might have a look at the process. My problem however is with the volunteer group I'm with now. I'm loving every minute of it and the people I work with are fantastic, I don't want to give it up. It now influences my decision. My urge to join any police force has been dampened to that I am willing to look at other branches of the Emergency Services, as long as their local. So I will hold out for the PSNI, for now.

Someone told me once. Flip a coin, and if you are hoping for one side to come up you know what your decision is!

wannabe2010

Other branches of the emergency services? Like Fire Service etc? I applied for fire service but couldn't meet the standard of the bleep test, only missed it by like 4 bleeps doubt they'll be recruiting for a longgggg time now.. and PSNI def won't be til at least 2015 I'd say, and at that, they'll probably only be taking on like 50 people or so... by the time I get in, I'll be like mid-30s.. which I really don't want..

Yeah, that's a great thing to do, I use that method too, but I'm trying to ignore the answer in my head haha

wannabe2010

P.S. Central Scotland also recruiting.. so that's Grampian, Dumfries and Galloway, Strathclyde, and Central Scotland..

Delancey

wannabe2010 wrote: »

My first choice would be Aberdeen but it would cost like £250 each time I go over, which would be about 5 times for the tests. So it would have to be Dumfries, which would be about £75 per time, but I'm not sure I'd be suited to, or enjoy, such 'small-town' style Policing.

To a large extent your choice will soon be irrelevant - the proposed merger of all Scottish forces will mean you could serve anywhere.

grad10

Delancey wrote: »

To a large extent your choice will soon be irrelevant - the proposed merger of all Scottish forces will mean you could serve anywhere.

If you pass all recruitment stages before the merger you will still be based in the force area you original joined. You may be asked to move and there will be more opportunities for you to do so but you don't have to. Join after the merger and yes it will be a different story.

grad10

wannabe2010 wrote: »

Other branches of the emergency services? Like Fire Service etc?

Would you be interested in the Ambulance Service? Keep an eye on www.hscrecruit.com for vacancies with them, I'm on the waiting list for the Paramedic In Training programme, and just did my final interview for the Emergency Medical Dispatcher post. Did you apply for the Prison Service when it came out? These are my fall backs if I don't get Edinburgh and have to wait on the PSNI a few (more) years!

wannabe2010

A guy I work with went for Prison Officer, absolutely gutted that I didn't see it advertised think he's well through the stages atm, lookin good for him.. Ambulance service? So you don't need any like medicine-type qualifications or anything?! I'm really thinkin about Central Scotland now, Stirling-kinda region.. but.. ahh I just dunno if I could uproot my life.. but I look on every (yes every single one) of the UK police service websites.. one English (Surrey) is recruiting and 4 Scottish are recruiting.. every other one says "not a hope in hell" pretty much and "not in the foreseeable future" etc so it feels like this is almost the last chance?!

M2010

I was talking to a policeman outside a club I was in last night and he said that he had heard rumours a few times now going around his station that PSNI are looking to start recruitment at Christmas time!

I don't know how likely that is, but that's what is going around his station.

*Fingers crossed* that it's true.

wannabe2010

That would be awesome but, I dunno, I've asked loads of coppers n they've said that there's not much chance for at least another couple years.. although all the English forces' websites that I checked out said on their last update (which was when recruitment froze in 2010) that there would be nothing until the end of 2012 at least.. so maybe there's some similarity here(?)

Starting to think I should just hold out for PSNI as well cuz, afterall, you only do get 3 strikes now and then you can't ever apply again.. which is pretty disgusting imho.. how is that right like?! I've already got one.

grad10

wannabe2010 wrote: »

Starting to think I should just hold out for PSNI as well cuz, afterall, you only do get 3 strikes now and then you can't ever apply again.. which is pretty disgusting imho.. how is that right like?! I've already got one.

Not every force has this rule wannabe. PSNI certainly don't (or didn't in previous campaigns). Who knows what the recruitment process will be like when they finally do start recruiting again though.

grad10

wannabe2010 wrote: »

A guy I work with went for Prison Officer, absolutely gutted that I didn't see it advertised think he's well through the stages atm, lookin good for him.. Ambulance service? So you don't need any like medicine-type qualifications or anything?! I'm really thinkin about Central Scotland now, Stirling-kinda region.. but.. ahh I just dunno if I could uproot my life.. but I look on every (yes every single one) of the UK police service websites.. one English (Surrey) is recruiting and 4 Scottish are recruiting.. every other one says "not a hope in hell" pretty much and "not in the foreseeable future" etc so it feels like this is almost the last chance?!

Shame you didn't see it It was all over the news because it's their first campaign in so long - you must have been really busy that week! To be honest I don't even know if I want it, not great pay for what you're doing, and I wanna catch the bad guys and get them off the streets, not lock them up and have to spend all day looking after them! So I'll have to have a serious think about it if I get offered it, should hear in a few weeks.

As for the ambulance service, obviously for certain roles you will need qualifications, but the likes of the paramedic training programme, it was a 2 year paid training course for a paramedic, and for the emergency dispatcher one I just did knowledge of medical terminology was desirable but not essential, and it's the same pay as the prison service. So it's worth keeping an eye out. There was an ambulance attendant role advertised a few months back too which I missed!

You decided if you're gonna go for Scotland yet or just wait for PSNI? Edinburgh is still my first choice out of the 3 jobs I'm in for, although it is tempting to maybe take one of the others and just wait for PSNI, uprooting is not an easy decision or an easy thing to do! But then I also have to remind myself that just because the PSNI will start recruiting again eventually.. still doesn't mean I will get in!!

M2010

As I'm currently going through the application process for Lothian and Borders, I was thinking that it would be beneficial to try and get in contact with the folk that used to run the day courses for applicants for the PSNI, in order to improve their chances of getting in. I figure trying to get some help like that would benefit me to some degree no matter what police force I am applying for.

Obviously PSNI is my main goal, but if I can get into a force else where and transfer, I would gladly do it.

It might be a long shot, but does anyone know who ran the one day police officer recruitment courses over here when the PSNI had live campaigns? As I have not applied for the PSNI before I have no idea who actually operated the day classes I am speaking off.

Delancey

M2010 wrote: »

As I'm currently going through the application process for Lothian and Borders, I was thinking that it would be beneficial to try and get in contact with the folk that used to run the day courses for applicants for the PSNI, in order to improve their chances of getting in. I figure trying to get some help like that would benefit me to some degree no matter what police force I am applying for.

Obviously PSNI is my main goal, but if I can get into a force else where and transfer, I would gladly do it.

It might be a long shot, but does anyone know who ran the one day police officer recruitment courses over here when the PSNI had live campaigns? As I have not applied for the PSNI before I have no idea who actually operated the day classes I am speaking off.

Mod Note - answers by PM only please. Don't post contact details for recruitment service providers. Thanks

M2010

Sorry Delancey, I should have known to say that myself! Yeah folks, I'd be grateful if anyone could PM me if they could help me out

wannabe2010

Yeah Grad10, the PSNI didn't have that rule but was that not just cuz it was under Patten.. if they recruit again, it will have the 3 strike rule.. as far as I understand anyway(?) Be great if not though! So far I ain't seen any that don't have the 3 strike but I ain't been lookin too closely I guess..

Yeah when it was on I think I was workin like 60 hours a week for a few weeks.. so was just eatin workin n sleepin really

Will have to look out for amb. service then Grad, it's just on that hscrecruit thing yeah? The ones that have little mini courses desireable - where do you do those courses and any idea of pricing?

Funily enough I had a dream last night about it all (I know, Police on the flipping brain!!).. I was in my old school and there was a Police information day on, and the police man handed me a form that said "I know it's long, I know it's tough, but hold out and you'll get it eventually".. so maybe my subconscious is trying to tell me to wait for PSNI.. who knows.. still keep gettin bursts of wantin to go for Scotland cuz I'm terrified it's the last chance (a lot of Police services are now saying that they may only recruit from PCSO's and not to the public in future campaigns!!!!!) but I really doubt I could leave my partner cuz I know 100% that I won't be followed lol. Same thoughts as you though Grad, even if the PSNI recruit again, it'll probably only be for like 50 jobs or something, which doesn't give a good chance out of the usual 10k applicants


M2010, can you send me info on those training things as well please?

M2010

yeah wannabe, if anyone sends me any details I'll let you know.

wannabe2010

Was doing some reading there.. am I the only one to not know that Desertcreat was actually approved in 2004 and expected to open for new recruits in 2008, but was pushed forward to 2009......... and now we're excited that recruitment may open in 2015 when desertcreat is supposed to be built and in operation... hmm.. wouldn't hold my breath methinks(?)

Delancey

Yeah Desertcreat has been buzzing around for years - Patten was scathing about Garnerville when comparing it to places like Templemore or Hendon. For a time there was talk about the government in the Republic contributing a significant proportion of the cost ( not a chance of that ever happening now with the IMF running the show ).
When it was announced that Desertcreat had the go ahead I remember the president of the local Chamber of Commerce while welcoming the news was very cautious and pretty much said '' we'll celebrate when it actually gets built '' .
Norn Iron has an unhappy history of cost overruns on big public building projects and I wonder might this play on minds ?

Building it at a time of sharply reduced recruitment simply makes no sense and all the talk of the FBI using the facilities is pure and utter nonsense.

wannabe2010

Yeah pretty dumb idea to build that when they can't even recruit like.. I dunno... looks like the ship has sailed for me off to work I go

wannabe2010

EMAIL MESSAGE FROM ME:
This is probably a very repetitive message for you but I was just wondering if there is ANY news AT ALL about recruitment? Cuz the "latest news" on your home page is that there will be no recruitment in 2011.


EMAIL MESSAGE FROM PSNI:
There is no recruitment scheduled for 2012, it is likely to be 2013/2014 at the earliest before PSNI return to the external market

Kind regards
External appointments.

Delancey

I note the reference to the '' external market '' which implies people can still transfer in from other UK forces.

This is where the residency rules bite people in the ass - clearly nothing will move for at least a couple of years but in the meantime if somebody decides to go travelling or work abroad while waiting for recruitment to begin they will disqualify themselves by having lived abroad in the previous 3 years - killer !

wannabe2010

Yeah I noticed that.. that's probably how they're keeping evens with any retirement etc at the moment.. although I haven't seen it officially advertised... well everybody, there's your answer anyway.

Goonerdee

The PSNI's current policing plan and budgeting lasts until 2014. I can't see them making any adjustments to it, no matter how the security situation is.

wanadrum

Hi Wanabe2010 - I haven't been on here for a while - when you said your workmate is well trhough the prison service recruitment, how far through?

I ask because I have passed the initial test and been for the assessment centre - not heard anything since that, but it wasn't that long ago.

I guess i'm just impatient - been trying to get on of these jobs for too long!

I was going to apply for fire service, but my eyesight would not have been good enough.

wanadrum

Hi Grad10 - same question as above - have you heard anything since assessment centre?

If I was going to go to another uk force it would definitely have to be Edinburgh - love it there - though it would not be easy to convince all of the family that we should move.

grad10

wanadrum wrote: »

Hi Grad10 - same question as above - have you heard anything since assessment centre?

If I was going to go to another uk force it would definitely have to be Edinburgh - love it there - though it would not be easy to convince all of the family that we should move.

Hi wanadrum, no haven't heard anything since my AC either. Keep an eye on the NIPS thread in the 'Other Emergency Service' forum, good few posters on there in the same boat!

wannabe2010

wanadrum wrote: »

Hi Wanabe2010 - I haven't been on here for a while - when you said your workmate is well trhough the prison service recruitment, how far through?

I ask because I have passed the initial test and been for the assessment centre - not heard anything since that, but it wasn't that long ago.

I guess i'm just impatient - been trying to get on of these jobs for too long!

I was going to apply for fire service, but my eyesight would not have been good enough.

We do different shifts so I never really see him but from what I've heard he's just done his AC a couple weeks back and is waiting on word.. He thought he wasn't getting invited to AC cuz it took soooooo long to hear from the initial test, so I would say that maybe on this stage also 'no news is good news' mate

Delancey

A gentle reminder - Folks , there are threads relating to recruitment to NIPS and Scottish Police over on the Other Emergency Services Recruitment forum here. Cheers and thanks.