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  • Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭nedzer2011


    NewVision wrote: »
    Louisiana sinkhole remains unexplained by Texas brine company
    Officials at a Houston-based brine company said Friday it will be at least 40 days before they get definitive answers about an enormous Louisiana sinkhole that opened up in Assumption Parish.

    Mark Cartwright, president of United Brine Services, a subsidiary of Texas Brine Co., said the company spent the last week "intensely focused" on an emergency response as they try to figure out the cause behind a sinkhole near Bayou Corne.

    (See a YouTube video on the sinkhole below.)

    Cartwright said they'll be drilling a relief well to investigate a brine cavern they own, which is housed within the Napoleonville salt dome. It will take at least 40 days to drill the well, and scientists have speculated that the 372-foot-wide and 422-foot-deep sinkhole might be related to structural problems within the cavern, he said.

    "Our efforts are going to be more focused on diagnostics, and looking into what caused this event," Cartwright said at a press conference in Gonzales.

    Commissioner of Conservation Jim Welsh ordered the company Thursday to drill a well and investigate the salt cavern and "further evaluate potential causes of the subsidence near its well site," as well as obtain samples of cavern content.

    Cartwright said the company was just as shocked as anyone else when the sinkhole erupted last Friday, swallowing up an acre of bald cypress trees and leaving diesel fumes and slurry water in its wake.
    Is there any link with Hydraulic Fracturing here? Looks like a case of mining induced subsidence IMO.....?


  • Registered Users Posts: 342 ✭✭garth-marenghi


    Kiltyclogher farmer gives his views on Fracking in this weeks Sligo Champion
    http://www.sligochampion.ie/news/kiltyclogher-farmer-pollution-is-my-fear-3211009.html


  • Registered Users Posts: 342 ✭✭garth-marenghi


    Oscar winning singer/songwriter Glen Hansard shows his support for the anti-fracking cause with a "Farming not Fracking" t-shirt backstage before his gig at Electric Picnic. (Photo attached) Glen brought the t-shirt on stage and later held it up to the crowd, asked people to take photos and spread across the internet.

    Sligo Comedian John Colleary (RTEs The Savage Eye) also wore a Love Football-Hate Fracking t-shirt during his show to a packed audience in the Comedy tent and reminded people of the importance of the issue. (photo attached)

    Christy Moore and Declan Sinnot also brought the t-shirt on stage to promote the cause and reaffirmed their committment to it.

    Many thanks to all for doing this. Its really appreciated.:)


  • Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭NewVision


    A prior EU Parliament study, Impacts of shale gas and shale oil extraction on the environment and on human heath, already comes to the following conclusion:
    "Even an aggressive development of gas shales in Europe could only contribute to the European gas supplies at one-digit percentage share at best. It will not reverse the continuing trend of declining domestic production and rising import dependency. Its influence on the European greenhouse gas emissions will remain small if not negligible, or could even be negative if other more promising projects are skipped due to wrong incentives and signals."
    But a brand new paper, Impacts of shale gas and shale oil extraction on the environment and on human health, of the EU Policy Department, is much more energetic.
    "Assuming environmental restrictions to increase costs and to reduce the speed of developments, shale gas production in Europe will remain almost marginal.

    The European gas production has been in decline for several years. This decline will not be stopped by unconventional gas developments. Even industry studies see the contribution of shale gas production to the European gas supply growing very slowly and not exceeding more than a few per cent of the demand."
    Also read the whole CONCLUSIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS of this paper.


  • Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭NewVision




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  • Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭NewVision


    Group Calls for Fracking Ban in Europe

    EcoWatch, 9 September 2012
    Food & Water Europe

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    Commission studies, released last Friday, find the risks associated with large-scale shale gas development and fracking to be high and in some cases very high. The studies draw special attention to the cumulative environmental impacts of multiple shale gas wells. Eight key pieces of the European Union (EU) environmental acquis are identified as being ill-equipped to deal with the water, waste, liability, air quality and other issues of large-scale use of hydraulic fracturing.

    The findings in these studies roundly debunk European Energy Commissioner Günther Oettinger’s view that current EU law adequately deals with the risks of fracking. Given the manifold risks identified in this report, Food & Water Europe calls on the Environment Commissioner Potočnik to ban fracking or—at the very least—address these shortcomings by adapting the EU’s environmental regulatory framework to the ugly reality of large-scale shale gas extraction.

    “These studies reviewed a lot of the evidence about the negative environmental impacts of large-scale shale gas extraction and acknowledge the water, air and land-related risks associated with shale gas to be high,” said Wenonah Hauter. “We particularly welcome the studies’ focus on the cumulative environmental impacts of hundreds of wells in Europe’s shale plays.”

    This focus is particularly valued, as the draft report about the environmental impacts of shale gas, drafted by MEP Boguslaw Sonik, does not even mention this key fact: Shale gas development requires a lot of wells to be drilled. For example, a mature shale play like the Barnett shale in Texas has 15,000 wells. In other words, unconventional gas is profoundly different from previous European experiences with onshore, conventional gas exploitation.

    In sharp contrast to Commissioner Oettinger’s earlier claim that existing European environmental regulation for shale gas activities would be adequate, the report clearly identifies gaps in eight cornerstones of the EU’s environmental acquis, such as the Environmental Impact Assessment Directive, Water Framework Directive, Environmental Liability Directive, Industrial Emissions Directive, Mining Waste Directive, etc. For example, the DG Environment study (pp. 108-109) finds that the Groundwater Directive, particularly Article 6 requiring Member States to develop measures to prevent or limit inputs of pollutants into groundwater, “could in principle involve the prevention of hydraulic fracturing operations, should the latter involve the injection underground of pollutants”. Given this obligation, Member States open themselves to major liabilities in case of environmental damage linked to less than adequate regulation of this risky industry.

    Major gaps were also identified in the Environmental Impact Assessment Directive. “The upcoming review of the Environmental Impact Assessment Directive during the fall of 2012 must include fracking in its list of activities, which require a mandatory impact assessment,” said Hauter. Impact assessments are crucial, as they help to establish sound baseline data about e.g. groundwater and air quality, identify seismic risks and help secure a meaningful involvement of local communities before drilling commences.

    To avoid a situation, as occurred in the U.S., where policy-makers are engaged in a regulatory catch-up exercise with the shale gas industry, European Environment Commissioner Janez Potočnik must now start leading the EU’s effort to—in the absence of unanimous support among EU Member States for a ban on fracking—demand the highest environmental standards of fracking operations to avoid that EU Member States treat environmental and human health impacts differently.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭Pete M.


    Protest in Carrick-on Shannon on Saturday @ 1pm.

    I'll be there anyway...

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  • Registered Users Posts: 342 ✭✭garth-marenghi


    "Fracking comes to Ireland: The reality is now": Information night on Hydraulic Fracturing. For people in the Sligo area that want to gain more information on what it will mean and and how you can stop it. "Fracking Free Ireland" is inviting you to an information night on Wednesday 19th of September, Cawleys hotel, Tubbercurry at 8pm. For more information info@frackingfreeireland.org. or www.frackingfreeireland.org.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 342 ✭✭garth-marenghi


    Music and entertainment for all the family as part of the Global Frackdown events that are taking place all around the world ,this Saturday September 22nd from 3-6pm in Market Sq Manorhamilton. Music from members of Kila, Seamie o Dowd and Ray Coen, and The Mullies Crowd. Readings by Irish novelist Brian Leyden. Lots of kids activities too. All are welcome so spread the word, show your solidarity and bring your friends and family to a good day out and learn about the dangers of Hydraulic Fracturing and how we can all do our bit to stop it.:)


  • Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭NewVision


    Pete M. wrote: »
    Protest in Carrick-on Shannon on Saturday @ 1pm.

    I'll be there anyway...

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    => Global Frackdown Day - 22 September 2012

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  • Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭NewVision


    Fracking news:

    Fracking causes serious health and environmental problems - report

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    Friends of the Earth have published a paper => Unconventional and unwanted: the case against shale gas

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    MEPs divided on whether EU should regulate shale gas

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    France Renews Bans on GMOs, Natural Gas Fracking, Shifts Toward Renewables

    SustainableBusiness.com News
    The new Socialist government in France is taking a strong stance on environmental protection.

    Not only has it renewed the 2008 ban on genetically modified crops (GMOs) despite pressure to drop it from the EU, it has put its foot down (again) against fracking, and is committed to reducing dependence on nuclear power in favor of renewable energy.

    ...

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    Hunt launched after Halliburton loses radioactive rod in Texas desert

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    US: The Trillion-Gallon Loophole: Lax Rules for Drillers that Inject Pollutants Into the Earth (Pro Publica)

    That's what we really don't want in Europe, do we?


  • Registered Users Posts: 342 ✭✭garth-marenghi


    Bhopal, the leaks and the Legacy: Lessons for Leitrim?

    A public meeting, organised by Afri in association with Love Leitrim and
    featuring two survivors of the Bhopal disaster will take place in the Glen
    Centre in Manorhamilton on Thursday, September 27th at 8pm. The meeting
    will hear first-hand accounts of the world’s worst industrial disaster from
    Balkrishna Namdev and Safreen Khan who have come to Ireland to highlight
    the continuing effects of this catastrophic event.

    The Bhopal disaster resulted from a leak at a Union Carbide plant in Bhopal
    which caused the deaths of 3,800 people instantly and at least 8,000 in the
    longer term, while many people continue to suffer health affects until
    today. The Company immediately tried to disassociate itself from legal
    responsibility for the disaster.

    Balkrishna Namdev was a Union organiser before the disaster and
    subsequently set up the Gas-Affected Destitute Pensioner’s Front and
    continues to work with Bhopal’s most vulnerable survivors.

    Safreen Khan is 19 years old and inherited the disaster from her
    gas-exposed parents and has lived with the effects of the disaster, which
    Dow refuses to clean up.

    The meeting will look at the on-going campaign by victims of the disaster
    and will explore if Leitrim’s burgeoning anti-fracking campaign might learn
    any lessons from Bhopal.



    Further information:

    Joe Murray Afri

    086 394689


  • Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭nedzer2011


    Bhopal, the leaks and the Legacy: Lessons for Leitrim?

    A public meeting, organised by Afri in association with Love Leitrim and
    featuring two survivors of the Bhopal disaster will take place in the Glen
    Centre in Manorhamilton on Thursday, September 27th at 8pm. The meeting
    will hear first-hand accounts of the world’s worst industrial disaster from
    Balkrishna Namdev and Safreen Khan who have come to Ireland to highlight
    the continuing effects of this catastrophic event.

    The Bhopal disaster resulted from a leak at a Union Carbide plant in Bhopal
    which caused the deaths of 3,800 people instantly and at least 8,000 in the
    longer term, while many people continue to suffer health affects until
    today. The Company immediately tried to disassociate itself from legal
    responsibility for the disaster.

    Balkrishna Namdev was a Union organiser before the disaster and
    subsequently set up the Gas-Affected Destitute Pensioner’s Front and
    continues to work with Bhopal’s most vulnerable survivors.

    Safreen Khan is 19 years old and inherited the disaster from her
    gas-exposed parents and has lived with the effects of the disaster, which
    Dow refuses to clean up.

    The meeting will look at the on-going campaign by victims of the disaster
    and will explore if Leitrim’s burgeoning anti-fracking campaign might learn
    any lessons from Bhopal.

    I could be completely in the wrong here..... but could someone please explain how the Bhopal disaster is relevant to this discussion? Trying to convince poeple that the risks are comparable?


  • Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭NewVision




  • Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭NewVision


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  • Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭nedzer2011


    NewVision wrote: »

    Would it hurt to address a question/query about a frankly sensationalist event or are you happy to try bury it with further links?


  • Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭NewVision


    US: Government Study Shows Evidence Of Fracking Contaminating Groundwater

    Business Insider, 27 September 2012
    The EPA has confirmed a new USGS report published today supports an earlier study that groundwater near a Wyoming town may contain chemicals associated with fracking.
    It would be the first time a government report directly linked fracking to groundwater contamination.

    EPA representative Alisha Johnson said the new findings are consistent with results that agency published in December that found contamination:
    EPA’s analysis of samples taken from the Agency’s deep monitoring wells in the aquifer indicates detection of synthetic chemicals, like glycols and alcohols consistent with gas production and hydraulic fracturing fluids, benzene concentrations well above Safe Drinking Water Act standards and high methane levels.


    Quite consistent with Josh Fox' findings as well.



    Also => THE SKY IS PINK


  • Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭NewVision


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  • Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭nedzer2011


    Not sure if this is humour or a genuine attempt to publicise a cause.

    I completely respected the anti-fraccing cause until the last few posts... Now its clear that its sensationalist and predominatly ignorant of fact and reason.


  • Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭NewVision


    nedzer2011 wrote: »
    Not sure if this is humour or a genuine attempt to publicise a cause.

    I completely respected the anti-fraccing cause until the last few posts... Now its clear that its sensationalist and predominatly ignorant of fact and reason.

    Why?


  • Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭nedzer2011


    Ok, I was wrong to paint everyone with the same brush but it should be a minimum to defend/explain a link. It doesn't help your credibility and the credibility of the cause as a whole.


  • Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭NewVision


    nedzer2011 wrote: »
    Ok, I was wrong to paint everyone with the same brush but it should be a minimum to defend/explain a link. It doesn't help your credibility and the credibility of the cause as a whole.

    I wonder what 'credibility' you are claiming with your short comments not contributing anything to the subject.

    Are you complaining now about the design of a poster for a theater presentation?


  • Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭NewVision




  • Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭nedzer2011


    NewVision wrote: »
    I wonder what 'credibility' you are claiming with your short comments not contributing anything to the subject.

    Are you complaining now about the design of a poster for a theater presentation?

    You miss the point, I'm not publicising an event which I am unable/unwilling to explain to relevance of. Maybe someone who attended could helpfully do so and I would happily back down or contribute to a reasonable debate.

    Alternatively you could bury this question with further links.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭tuppence


    nedzer2011 wrote: »
    I could be completely in the wrong here..... but could someone please explain how the Bhopal disaster is relevant to this discussion? Trying to convince poeple that the risks are comparable?

    Yep I went to it. No one was saying it was directly comparable. However there are lessons to be learnt from what can be be described as the disaster of Bhopal. I think that was what Afri intended to draw on when approached the antifracking movement on this talk.

    Really the link is human rights/environmental rights and corporate responsibility. The surivivors have learnt that the company cared more about its profits rather than the people it impacted on with the leak. Up to 10,000 people died from the initial leak but the companies practices had been poor between the time it came in and hadnt been monitored, ie since the 1960's up to the disaster of 1984. Land and water supplies was been polluted by the company then and the residue is still there. There was mimimal compensation to the people by the company in 1984. The government too were complicit in not taking care of its people and putting company interest before citiizens interest . There was no compensation for the environemenal harm it caused including polluting the water supply and land, and none for the people its impacting on now. People are still being effected physically, either genetically through birth defects or chronic ill health though the polluted water supply that has not been properly cleaned up. Issues that came up were also the non disclosure by the company of its activities and its risks- the people living beside the plant belived it to be producing pesticide. (similar problems about non disclosure are apparent with fracking etc etc)


    So broad brush strokes from above, the importance of vigilance, governement accountaibilty, corporate responsibility etc. And fundamentally the importance of people to show solidarity and get out of their chairs and do something and desist from fault finding those who are active cos thats too easy. (And it'l be too late if that tendency persists)


    One of the survivors who was there and suffers chronic ill health daily said. "the lucky ones were the ones that died that night" How bad it must be for those who have not felt listened to, have felt powerless to the interests of those with money and political power. Plenty of lessons there alright. :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭nedzer2011


    Thanks for the summary. As such level there are similarities which can be drawn but is it not a bit irresponsible? I mean, give the simple case above where someone may quickly google "Bhopal Disaster" and associate those horrendous scenes and legacy with shale gas production.

    Couldn't I post up details of any pharmaceutical plant/heavy industry/landfill from around the country which although potentially harmful to human health and environment is well run, well regulated and creates employment and wealth with negligible or low environmental impacts. These are the 999,999 rather than the one in a million and are far more comparable to potential shale gas production.


  • Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭NewVision




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  • Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭NewVision


    nedzer2011 wrote: »
    Thanks for the summary. As such level there are similarities which can be drawn but is it not a bit irresponsible? I mean, give the simple case above where someone may quickly google "Bhopal Disaster" and associate those horrendous scenes and legacy with shale gas production.

    Couldn't I post up details of any pharmaceutical plant/heavy industry/landfill from around the country which although potentially harmful to human health and environment is well run, well regulated and creates employment and wealth with negligible or low environmental impacts. These are the 999,999 rather than the one in a million and are far more comparable to potential shale gas production.

    I did post a link to the Wikipedia article about the Bhopal Disaster that everybody could read what it's all about. Unfortunately one of the mods deleted this post.

    If you like to read more about the risks of fracking I recommend the websites, Fracking Ireland, Fracking Free Ireland or What The Frack. They're all Irish websites with tons of articles.


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