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* Chemistry * Predictions / discussion / aftermath * (1 thread please)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    I'd say one of the two oxidation of Ethanol experiments will come up this year. The reason behind that is that the Dept. Education have banned the use of hexavalent chromium in secondary schools so we'll be the last year to have actually done those two experiments. That and the equilibrium experiment involving Cobalt Chloride and a Dichromate salt. That experiment contains two banned chemicals.


  • Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭Joseph...


    what experinments do ye think will come up??


  • Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭ClaireMarie


    My teacher has really been predicting bleach and ethanal for the first too!
    Bleach especially - as it has never been up.
    If winkler and benzoic acid come up for Q 1 and 2 - SOMEONE. WILL. PAY.
    Lol, I had a good teacher - but for some reason I just hate those 2!


  • Registered Users Posts: 169 ✭✭Phareon


    Joseph... wrote: »
    what experinments do ye think will come up??

    Our teacher's tipping Bleach titration and Rates of Reaction, i.e NaOH and HCl !!
    All of the Organic experiments have come up before, so just go over Exam Papers!!!
    And like the previous poster said, the ones with banned chemicals are likely!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 334 ✭✭._.


    I'll cry if ethanal comes up, I really can't do that calculation.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 200 ✭✭DM360


    Where in the Chemistry course do you need to work with ratios like these?

    Empirical formula questions have numbers and ratios like that.

    Preparation for ethanal or ethanoic acid or possibly a question with both for the Organic Chemistry Exp.

    Volatile liquid or heat of neutralisation for the other I've been told.

    And another acronym: OPRN (remember that how you will ;)) for electrochemistry. Oxidation is at Positive Electrode, Reduction at Negative


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 334 ✭✭._.


    ok, does anybody else actually have this godforsaken Chemistry Revise Wise book?
    Page 99/100, does how they got to 1 mole of MgO = 40g make sense to anybody? They literally just wrote it down and gave absolutely no explanation as to how they got there..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35 epicwinning


    ._. wrote: »
    ok, does anybody else actually have this godforsaken Chemistry Revise Wise book?
    Page 99/100, does how they got to 1 mole of MgO = 40g make sense to anybody? They literally just wrote it down and gave absolutely no explanation as to how they got there..


    mass (in grams) = MR(n)

    n = 1 , MR = 16+24 = 40

    m = 40*1
    m = 40g


  • Registered Users Posts: 169 ✭✭Phareon


    ._. wrote: »
    ok, does anybody else actually have this godforsaken Chemistry Revise Wise book?
    Page 99/100, does how they got to 1 mole of MgO = 40g make sense to anybody? They literally just wrote it down and gave absolutely no explanation as to how they got there..

    Mr of Oxygen is 16, so 1 mole O = 16g,
    Mr of Magnesium is 24, so 1 mole Mg = 24g
    24g + 16g = 40g

    ^^ Ninja'd D:


  • Registered Users Posts: 230 ✭✭Exothermic


    ._. wrote: »
    ok, does anybody else actually have this godforsaken Chemistry Revise Wise book?
    Page 99/100, does how they got to 1 mole of MgO = 40g make sense to anybody? They literally just wrote it down and gave absolutely no explanation as to how they got there..

    Go to your periodic table :) Mg = 24 O = 16. Add 'em up, you get 40. Hence, MgO = 40g.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 230 ✭✭Exothermic


    Whoops. :P Well, that question certainly got answered.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 334 ✭✭._.


    grrrrr, is it too much to ask for them to actually tell you where they're pulling these numbers from?

    Thanks guys, chemistry calculations are really not my thing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35 epicwinning


    :P

    And yeah, I have the Revise-Wise Chemistry. It's just a smaller version of the Chemistry book we used (Understanding Chemistry, I think it was called...) for the last couple of years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭ride-the-spiral


    Where in the Chemistry course do you need to work with ratios like these?

    AFAIK, the only time you ever need to manipulate ratios is in Stoichiometry in the limiting reagent calculations and they're never going to be in ratios that large.

    Empirical formula most likely


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 _coley_


    Could anyone explain to me in simple terms how to balance a redox equation thing with the oxidation numbers?
    Teachers a dud :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 355 ✭✭River Song


    _coley_ wrote: »
    Could anyone explain to me in simple terms how to balance a redox equation thing with the oxidation numbers?
    Teachers a dud :(

    I'll do out one very quickly if you want?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 170 ✭✭YodaBoy


    Anyone have tips for the experiments they could throw into section 2?? Maybe equilibrium ones??? Dont know those ones at all :/


  • Registered Users Posts: 355 ✭✭River Song


    Okay, did 2002 balencing REDOX equations Question:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 774 ✭✭✭stealinhorses


    Awesome whiteboard.


  • Registered Users Posts: 355 ✭✭River Song


    Awesome whiteboard.

    Reads, of Nassau St., like 15 Euro.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 71 ✭✭macskanadrag


    DM360 wrote: »
    And another acronym: OPRN (remember that how you will ;)) for electrochemistry. Oxidation is at Positive Electrode, Reduction at Negative

    Modified acronym:
    Positive
    Oxidation
    Reduction
    Negative

    Slightly easier to remember :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 71 ✭✭macskanadrag


    Michael_E wrote: »
    Reads, of Nassau St., like 15 Euro.

    Fair play :)

    Is there a need to cross multiply?
    I'd do just the balancing (-> 4H2O, 8H+, 2Cl-) and check if the numbers are correct, ie. add them up on both sides and make sure they are equal - done. So i wouldn't end up with 5 Cl2 and 10 Cl-...

    Just one thing - make sure that you write the oxidation number PER ATOM under the thing, ie put -2 under O4 and not -8. I read this in a few places.


  • Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭EmacB


    Anybody have a list of experiments that can come up for question 3?

    Or even just the ones havent havent yet come up?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 84 ✭✭Gavarn


    I'm hoping to god the experiments are like this:

    Q1. Bleach
    Q2. Ethanal
    Q3. Volatile liquid or formation O2 and Hydrogen from Hydrogen Peroxide.

    I think that it is pretty likely it will be similar to this, however, I have to study them all to be sure :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 200 ✭✭DM360


    Modified acronym:
    Positive
    Oxidation
    Reduction
    Negative

    Slightly easier to remember :D

    Wow, amazing, never saw that, I wasn't trying to be discrete :P


  • Registered Users Posts: 230 ✭✭Exothermic


    For the titrations: bleach, water of crystallisation, Winkler. But don't completely neglect the others as an iron one or iodine-thiosulphate is also possible.
    Organic: ethanal, ethanoic acid, clove oil.
    Q3: Large number of possibilities. Volatile liquid, heat of reaction (polystyrene cup), rates of reaction. What else?

    Any predictions for what will be big on the paper? Gosh, really need to get my head down today and get studying.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Can an equilibrium experiment come up as an experiment question I.e. Q1-3? Either way i'm almost certain we'll be getting a question on one of the experiments with banned chemicals.


  • Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭ClaireMarie


    Can an equilibrium experiment come up as an experiment question I.e. Q1-3? Either way i'm almost certain we'll be getting a question on one of the experiments with banned chemicals.

    Yep - they can come up as Q3


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 84 ✭✭Gavarn


    Exothermic wrote: »
    For the titrations: bleach, water of crystallisation, Winkler. But don't completely neglect the others as an iron one or iodine-thiosulphate is also possible.
    Organic: ethanal, ethanoic acid, clove oil.
    Q3: Large number of possibilities. Volatile liquid, heat of reaction (polystyrene cup), rates of reaction. What else?

    Any predictions for what will be big on the paper? Gosh, really need to get my head down today and get studying.

    I think Rates of Reaction will be up in the non-experiment part of the paper as it was an experiment last year (the effect of concentration and temperature).


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 _coley_


    Michael_E wrote: »
    Okay, did 2002 balencing REDOX equations Question:

    Thanks Soooo Much :D
    Much easier now (:


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