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landkeeper

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Delighted that this forum is not too "PC" and afraid to call it as it is when it comes to our foreign friends.

Another thing is that many Irish will see them breaking laws with regard to fishing etc, and start doing so themselves.

that's a laugh there is feck all left to catch
loch ramor near where i live we used to catch 150-200lb of bream in a day 5-6-7lb fish
20lb + pike
if you caught a skimmer bream now you'd be doing well
same with the shannon 200lb of bream in a day was good fishing if you catch 6 1lb fish now your doing well
the smaller lakes have fared even worse they have been night lined ,jugged and nettedto depletion. there is a small lake on the edge of our farm where 4 lads who spoke funny (his own words) threatened to throw an elderly neighbour into the lake when he asked them to stop fishing it from his silage field they had just tramped through

we live in a country that had some of the best fishing in europe wild lakes and rivers with naturally occuring fish
why do you think the pay for stocked fisheries do such a good trade m, simply becuase you can catch fish there not like the rest of the waters in the state
it's gone beyond a joke the baliffs are no-where to be seen the fish stocks and ducks and swans of the country are being raped by thses lads who have no respect for sex or season it dosn't suprise me that they are turning their attention to sheep and cattle

fodda

Why are you all complaining?

bazza888

iv seen alot of irish lads breaking the rules while fishing ie going over bag limits etc but the old is used as if to say it doesnt matter the same lads are first to complain if a non irish person is caught doing it,theres plenty of irish lads robbing stock aswell iv heard it afew times.The nonnational guys fishing do tend to break the rules fishing alot iv seen it,and heard of them being caught in blessington with car boots full of perch etc,grizzlys point is good nobody cares about rules when you know you wont get caught and if you do you will just get a slap on the wrist if anything!if im not mistaken one man has the responsibility for checking licenses on blessington lake as iv only ever seen the one anyway thats a lot of ground/water to cover!

bunny shooter

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Delighted that this forum is not too "PC" and afraid to call it as it is when it comes to our foreign friends.

Another thing is that many Irish will see them breaking laws with regard to fishing etc, and start doing so themselves.

See post below..............we critise everyone who's at it, natives also We's hate everyone the same

bazza888 wrote: »

iv seen alot of irish lads breaking the rules while fishing ie going over bag limits etc but the old is used as if to say it doesnt matter the same lads are first to complain if a non irish person is caught doing it,theres plenty of irish lads robbing stock aswell iv heard it afew times.The nonnational guys fishing do tend to break the rules fishing alot iv seen it,and heard of them being caught in blessington with car boots full of perch etc,grizzlys point is good nobody cares about rules when you know you wont get caught and if you do you will just get a slap on the wrist if anything!if im not mistaken one man has the responsibility for checking licenses on blessington lake as iv only ever seen the one anyway thats a lot of ground/water to cover!

fodda wrote: »

Why are you all complaining?

I've questions for you

Why aren't you complaining about it?

Why are you bothered we're complaining about it?

fodda

bunny shooter wrote: »

See post below..............we critise everyone who's at it, natives also We's hate everyone the same





I've a better questions for you

Why aren't you complaining about it?

Why are you bothered we're complaining about it?

You had the chance i think 4 times i think in the past 10 years to vote against and in the end you voted yes twice to pass 2 treaties, so what's the point in complaining about it now?

bazza888

im not bothered your complaining about it,im complaining aswell,im just saying ithink its as much irish as foreign people doing it bunny

bunny shooter

fodda wrote: »

You had the chance i think 4 times i think in the past 10 years to vote against and in the end you voted yes twice to pass 2 treaties, so what's the point in complaining about it now?

And why are you assuming I voted for Lisbon etc

bazza888 wrote: »

im not bothered your complaining about it,im complaining aswell,im just saying ithink its as much irish as foreign people doing it bunny

I agree with ya lad but I don't think most of the 'native' lads are killing sheep, cattle, swans and coarse fish tbh. Salmon, trout & deer, ya, definately

I have a few stories about the carry on of SOME non-nationals and what they're up to BUT I have stories of SOME natives too and NONE of them seem to get caught and seem to carry out their activities with impunity :mad:

virminhunter

bazza888 wrote: »

im not bothered your complaining about it,im complaining aswell,im just saying ithink its as much irish as foreign people doing it bunny

depends on what end of it your talking about, course fish in Ireland were generally left alone, until foreigners with a taste for bream, carp etc arrived on the scene.

Longranger

fodda wrote: »

Why are you all complaining?

Are you fûck!ng serious! Have you seen the river at the heart of your town robbed of fish cos the **** in the fisheries board are afraid to tackle non-nationals! Are you deliberately trying to piss people off or what? Don't come here stirring ****e? This means a lot to legitimate hunters cos we don't want to be painted with the same brush as these tossers:(

bunny shooter

virminhunter wrote: »

depends on what end of it your talking about, course fish in Ireland were generally left alone, until foreigners with a taste for bream, carp etc arrived on the scene.

Exactly +1

bazza888

i agree about the breem perch pike etc, being taken alot

Longranger

fodda wrote: »

You had the chance i think 4 times i think in the past 10 years to vote against and in the end you voted yes twice to pass 2 treaties, so what's the point in complaining about it now?

Don't be so bloody quick to assume who he voted for! I'm getting a strong trolling feeling about now...

crackcrack30

Take 10 interested guys off the dole in every large town, give thm some incentive on top of their unemployment benifits, train them on the fisherys & wildlife laws and get them out patroling now...........

Spunk84

Longranger wrote: »

Don't be so bloody quick to assume who he voted for! I'm getting a strong trolling feeling about now...

+1:mad:

crackcrack30 wrote: »

Take 10 interested guys off the dole in every large town, give thm some incentive on top of their unemployment benifits, train them on the fisherys & wildlife laws and get them out patroling now...........

Man would love to be able to someday have a career like that:D hopefully it will happen

bunny shooter wrote: »

See post below..............we critise everyone who's at it, natives also We's hate everyone the same

+1 doesnt matter if there white,black,yellow,brown or whatever colour, if there doing it they should be kicked back home to their motherland

rowa

crackcrack30 wrote: »

Take 10 interested guys off the dole in every large town, give thm some incentive on top of their unemployment benifits, train them on the fisherys & wildlife laws and get them out patroling now...........

Thats a good practical idea , like the ce scheme that fas run for long term unemployed , except for rivers/lakes

meathstevie

Folks, if I'm reading this right it has all appearance that none of us is too impressed with the following offences; theft and poaching. Who commits the offences is in my opinion of virtually no importance.

What is important though is that there needs to be a decent level of enforcement of all the legislation relating to wildlife crime and other crime committed in a rural setting like cattle and machinery theft creating a realistic perception of a decent chance of getting caught when poaching or being up to no good in a rural area.

Unfortunately the level of Garda ( and NPWS rangers ) presence around rural areas is not of such a nature that there's a realistic expectation of running a risk of getting caught. I point blankly refuse to blame individual Gardai and Rangers for this shortfall in enforcement, at the end of the day each and every one of them is only one individual with limited amounts of time and resources at their disposal and most do make the best of the deck they've been dealt.

Over the last few weeks in my area three tractors, a significant quantity of tools and about a mile ( yes a mile ) of phone cabling has disappeared and most farmers are worried their shed is going to be next. And what do we have policing wise : a part time Garda Station with a Sergeant and a handfull of Gardai who have to behave like the firebrigade at a ferocious bog fire if they have to attend all the calls they receive. Surprise, surprise that a couple of car boots of fish and the odd deer that's causing a nuisance to farmers anyway might figure fairly low on the list of priorities.

bunny shooter

Crime is crime :rolleyes:

Turning a blind eye to fishery & wildlife crime is no more acceptable than ignoring machinery theft IMVHO

meathstevie

bunny shooter wrote: »

Crime is crime :rolleyes:

Turning a blind eye to fishery & wildlife crime is no more acceptable than ignoring machinery theft IMVHO

Bunny, I'm not talking about acceptability or blind eyes. I'm just as pissed off as you are with the way society is going but I'm talking about prioritising limited resources. If you're the Garda Super in a district what are you going to prioritise ?

Crimes where there's actual flesh and blood victims like the farmer who had thousands of Euro worth of tools or livestock stolen, the occupants of a dozen rural homes because some "scrap metal dealer" decided to steel a couple of hundred yards of powerline or the general faceless concept of "the people" who are the actual victims of wildlife crime and poaching.

By the way, I was actually quite delighted to be stopped by our local members of the force a while ago when out lamping. Once introductions were made and credentials established we all had a pleasant little chat but they DID stop and went through the bother of finding out.

bunny shooter

Sorry, I took up that part of what you said wrong

I agree with you 100%

BUT the Gardai, wildlife rangers etc can't be that busy all the time :rolleyes:

homerhop

Have said it before here, I cant understand why the rangers are not setting up stings with decoy deer the same as they are doing in the states, the sale of confinscated vehicles, guns and fines taken in the first month alone would cover the costs of such a service for almost the rest of the year.

rabbit assassin

homerhop wrote: »

Have said it before here, I cant understand why the rangers are not setting up stings with decoy deer the same as they are doing in the states, the sale of confinscated vehicles, guns and fines taken in the first month alone would cover the costs of such a service for almost the rest of the year.

Cos my friend this is Ireland...why do anything that makes sense...:rolleyes:

mac80

I've seen the eastern europeans fishing from the carpark of the Loch Ramor Hotel catching tiny Perch and putting them into a plastic bag.

They love Perch apparently.

I rang a mate who had a number for a local ERFB baliff - Got the number but No answer!
I rang the office a few days later and gave the details and that was the last I heard about it.

Things are changing though, they attempted the usual tricks in Ballybay and have been put off the lakes by locals.
Easy done, this is private land, you dont have permission to fish here etc.

kildare.17hmr

Sheep farmer whos land i shoot had a few lambs go missing last year as did the lad next door to him. the lad next door was out shooting foxes one night and caught 3 lads, non irish, chasing a lamb and another one dead at the gate. he called the guards and waited with them untill they got there, house searched and in 2 freezers were more lambs and a couple of swans among other things. i heard of 2 irish lads caught not to far away doing the same thing.

rowa

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

Sheep farmer whos land i shoot had a few lambs go missing last year as did the lad next door to him. the lad next door was out shooting foxes one night and caught 3 lads, non irish, chasing a lamb and another one dead at the gate. he called the guards and waited with them untill they got there, house searched and in 2 freezers were more lambs and a couple of swans among other things. i heard of 2 irish lads caught not to far away doing the same thing.

Let me guess , they went to court and got a €20 fine and told not to do it again or it could be a €40 next time ?

kildare.17hmr

rowa wrote: »

Let me guess , they went to court and got a €20 fine and told not to do it again or it could be a €40 next time ?

From what i heard they nearly shat them selves when this blocky farmer type arived on scene a big lamp and shotgun, they didnt even try run. didnt hear what the outcome was but i wouldnt say your guess is far wrong:rolleyes: hasnt happened again since iv been shooting there, my only problem now is a certain irish group with lurchers out the odd night

iwsf

Some of the comments here are shocking.
here is a little story coming from a non national , a foreigner as some of you would call me.
Was out stalking one morning , yes i have a license for a .270 , scary stuff I even have a deer license ....
Anyway was out legally stalking , shot a nice stag , while walking back to get the car 2 IRISH lads jumped at me, they verbally threaten me and wanted to know where the stag was to take it. Apparently i shot their deer as they were locals and all i was was in their words is "a fuxxing foreigner" . It wasn't the first time i met these cowboys , armed by the way with a large caliber rifle on the dashborad of the van while driving arround. If it wasn't for the Garda ( they came within minutes so fair play to them) it would have finished very badly.
Not all foreigners are poachers or thiefs, don't put all of them in the same basket.
there is a mix of foreigns and irish cowboys out there, this is a fact and they should be dealt with. The authorities should get their act together to control hunting / poaching.
rant over , going back to work ( yeah i do work as well ! )

homerhop

The lads at home always ate pike and perch. They used to descale the perch with a darning needle in a matter of seconds and bake the pike in the oven.Tasted it a few times but I am not a fish lover so might as well have been a stick of cellary to me.
If lads go back through the threads here about deer poaching, game poaching you will see we all know lads who are at it and things are going to get far worse.

Zzippy

Longranger wrote: »

Are you fûck!ng serious! Have you seen the river at the heart of your town robbed of fish cos the **** in the fisheries board are afraid to tackle non-nationals! Are you deliberately trying to piss people off or what? Don't come here stirring ****e? This means a lot to legitimate hunters cos we don't want to be painted with the same brush as these tossers:(

There is a hotline number now, 1890 34 74 24 (1890 FISH24) where you can report incidents. You can give your own name and number if you want feedback. If you're not happy with the outcome, please write to the Director of the relevant IFI River Basin District (contact details here), its the only way that non-performing fishery officers will be identified. If you don't bother complaining, then no offence, but don't bother coming on here and calling people in fishery boards ****, you're tarring a lot of hard working people with a big broad brush based on your experience with one person, and that's not fair to anyone else. In your own words:

Longranger wrote: »

we don't want to be painted with the same brush as these tossers:

landkeeper

iwsf no-one is putting all non nationals in the same boat lad
you don't sit in the local park catching ducks with fishing line and hooks do you or as per an earlier post shoot sheep with your rifle , or throw pensioners into the lake when asked not to fish off his land, no you are a legitimate sensible law abiding resident of the state just as most people are
what lads here are fed up with is the blatant disregard for wildlife and fishery laws by people who have come here to live and work and either don't realise what they are doing (which i doubt) or don't care

iwsf

ok fine.
Had to rant over something to somebody , having one of those miserable day.
Poaching / non respect of wildlife is indeed a huge issue in Ireland

Sparks

Okay, I'm closing this so the mods can take a look at it before people start suggesting torches and pitchforks.