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Bbbbolger

Overdubbing - successive recordings of voices/instrumental sounds are layered over each other to produce a fuller texture. It enables choral effects to be produced from one singer.

Multitrack Recording - same as overdubbing. Recording "multiple tracks" over one another to produce a fuller sound.

Antiphonal Singing - Where there is a direct dialogue within the singing in a question answer format. e.g "Let me go. Bismilah! We will not let you go. Let me go. Bismillah..." etc.

J_E

PJelly wrote: »

Anyone have any tips for identifying the form of a piece? A,A1,B etc?
I find it hard to tell when one piece ends and the other one starts.

Yeah, form has ALWAYS been my weakest point with the Irish tunes.

Bbbbolger

Well in Irish Music it's either going to be Binary (AABB) or Turnary (ABA). So if it goes back to what you heard originally you'll know it's Turnary. Thats usually how I figure it out. Although I have played trad before so I might be able to distinguish it better. At least it's usually only one/two questions!

cabbage kid

Anyone have any tips for identifying the form of a piece? A,A1,B etc?

I think all Irish dance tunes are A,B,B,A but after that i'm as lost as you XD

Salty

cabbage kid wrote: »

I think all Irish dance tunes are A,B,B,A but after that i'm as lost as you XD

Dance tunes are AABB:)

I play trad, but even the ones where they ask to work out the form of the songs catch me! All you can do is try and work out when the phrase ends, and if it sounds the same or different...tough enough!

PJelly

There's two of us in our Music class, and the other lad is a BEAST of a trad player. He always destroys me in the Irish Music section!
I didn't even know things like Binary and Ternary existed until he used them in an answer.
And he always gets 10/10 in the essays, off the top of his head.
Prick

Salty

PJelly wrote: »

There's two of us in our Music class, and the other lad is a BEAST of a trad player. He always destroys me in the Irish Music section!
I didn't even know things like Binary and Ternary existed until he used them in an answer.
And he always gets 10/10 in the essays, off the top of his head.
Prick

OT, but what does he play?:P

cabbage kid

Dance tunes are AABB

I was more lost than I thought

Salty

cabbage kid wrote: »

I was more lost than I thought

If you're unsure, just listen to a few on youtube, and you'll notice they play the first part twice, and then the second part twice = AABB:P

You'll be grand!:P

PJelly

_meehan_ wrote: »

OT, but what does he play?:P

He doesn't just play the accordion. He molests it.

PJelly

To that "Form" question, look at 2009 Q5 excerpt 1 (iii)
HOW is that AABB??! There's two parts I'll admit. But to me it sounds like it goes ABAB.
Even when I know the answer and try to fit it around the song, I can't see it.

J_E

I suppose at least it isn't worth a huge amount of marks. I'm most likely going to get it wrong anyway.

Salty

PJelly wrote: »

He doesn't just play the accordion. He molests it.

:eek:
I'm a lot nicer to my fiddle...:P

PJelly wrote: »

To that "Form" question, look at 2009 Q5 excerpt 1 (iii)
HOW is that AABB??! There's two parts I'll admit. But to me it sounds like it goes ABAB.
Even when I know the answer and try to fit it around the song, I can't see it.

Just looked at it there, the form is AABB alright. The parts are repeated before moving on! The only thing you can do is listen to as much as you can! I suppose for people who don't normally listen to trad, that particular excerpt is very fast, and probably a bit harder to decipher the form! Don't worry too much about it, it won't be worth that many marks if it's up!

ClaireMarie

Could someone tell me how you tell a double and single jig apart???

PJelly

Is there anywhere we can get sound files for say, the 2001 listening paper?
I've done the rest and have the CD on my ipod. But it's only as far as 2005. Is that how fat the CD goes normally?
It broke a week after I put it on my ipod :P

PJelly

ClaireMarie wrote: »

Could someone tell me how you tell a double and single jig apart???

I assume double jig is the same as sip jig?
My trad friend has a trick for remembering time signatures of trad music. Jig is "Rashers and sausages"
Say it along to a jig, it'll fit the rhythm.
A slip jig is "Rashers and sausages rashers and".

PJelly

_meehan_ wrote: »

:eek:
I'm a lot nicer to my fiddle...:P

My bass has been through so much abuse, I expect it to leave me someday for a gentler musician

ClaireMarie

PJelly wrote: »

I assume double jig is the same as sip jig?
My trad friend has a trick for remembering time signatures of trad music. Jig is "Rashers and sausages"
Say it along to a jig, it'll fit the rhythm.
A slip jig is "Rashers and sausages rashers and".

Yeah, I know that - I can tell a slip jig and single jig apart... so a double and slip jig are the same thing then?

PJelly

ClaireMarie wrote: »

so a double and slip jig are the same thing then?

That's what I was wondering

Framble

PJelly wrote: »

Is there anywhere we can get sound files for say, the 2001 listening paper?
I've done the rest and have the CD on my ipod. But it's only as far as 2005. Is that how fat the CD goes normally?
It broke a week after I put it on my ipod :P

www.edco.ie/lcmusic

PJelly

Framble wrote: »

www.edco.ie/lcmusic

Merci

cabbage kid

PJelly wrote: »

That's what I was wondering

A double jig is 12/8, a slipjig is 9/8 and a jig is 6/8

J_E

ClaireMarie wrote: »

Could someone tell me how you tell a double and single jig apart???

Okay, got it right now I think.

Single Jig = 6/8, Rhythm is crotchet, quaver, crotchet, quaver (du, dudu, dudu, dudu, kind of swing)
Double Jig = 6/8, Rhythm, (rashers-and-sausages)
Slip Jig = 9/8, Rhythm quaver quaver quaver crotchet, quaver, dotted crotchet ( - - - | - |.)

PJelly

Just looked up some double jigs on youtube.
Very hard to tell them apart from slip jigs IMO.
Suppose you just have to check if the phrase ends on the first or second rashers and sausages.

kahf1_01

Anyone know how long you should spend at the harmony question (Q5.) and then the melody question (Q1.) cheers.

SDTimeout

Cydoniac wrote: »

Okay, got it right now I think.

Single Jig = 6/8, Rhythm is crotchet, quaver, crotchet, quaver (du, dudu, dudu, dudu, kind of swing)
Double Jig = 6/8, Rhythm, (rashers-and-sausages)
Slip Jig = 9/8, Rhythm quaver quaver quaver crotchet, quaver, dotted crotchet ( - - - | - |.)

We were taught a good one for slips tonight.

Rashers-and-sausages-sizzling

J_E

kahf1_01 wrote: »

Anyone know how long you should spend at the harmony question (Q5.) and then the melody question (Q1.) cheers.

It's up to you really. I usually take longer on the backing chords than on the melody. Melody takes me 30-40 mins then I'll spend the rest on backing chords a little left over to check stuff.

I am worried with composition...always seem to be forgetting little details...

ClaireMarie

Cydoniac wrote: »

Okay, got it right now I think.

Single Jig = 6/8, Rhythm is crotchet, quaver, crotchet, quaver (du, dudu, dudu, dudu, kind of swing)
Double Jig = 6/8, Rhythm, (rashers-and-sausages)
Slip Jig = 9/8, Rhythm quaver quaver quaver crotchet, quaver, dotted crotchet ( - - - | - |.)

Thanks a lot!!

SDTimeout

Can tell i had not done a melody in ages tonight .

Got 20/40 in class. Forgot instrument, dynamics, put modulation wrong side. Should have been around 32/35 but all of those marked me down. I even managed to get Meteor in.

ClaireMarie

SDTimeout wrote: »

Can tell i had not done a melody in ages tonight .

Got 20/40 in class. Forgot instrument, dynamics, put modulation wrong side. Should have been around 32/35 but all of those marked me down. I even managed to get Meteor in.

Better to make the mistakes today than tomorrow!